10 Apr
2000
10 Apr
'00
9:02 p.m.
-----Original Message-----
From: Geoff Roberts <geoffrob(a)stmarks.pp.catholic.edu.au>
There is certainly a fairly wide variation between
supposedly identical
aircraft.
Training birds tend to be more out of rig. Use and abuse.
Mine was never a primary trainer and has better habits.
Very. One of the guys I spoke too was literally chalk
white when he got
out of the aircraft.
After years of flying a docile little Cherokee 140 he'd never
experienced either a stall related
snap or seen the effect of aileron on a dropped wing in a Cessna.
My first experience with a reall snap was a C152, it was flipped at
55hrs TT. It was a really nice bird but even clean approach stalls
it would violently snap to the right every time. There more about
that one but I prefer to not talk about it. Suffice to say it never got
to 150hrs. Most 152s do not fly like that.
About sums it up. I did a Cherokee endorsement when I
moved to Broken
Hill in the 70's, and all
they had was Cherokees, I used to fly a Cherokee Arrow
(PA28-180-Retractable) home on some weekends, it was a nice ride. But
the short field performance sucked and you can't taxi them through
gates up to a house. (Both very important in a bush aircraft in this
country.)
it was like landing a brick.
I did an endorsement on a Victa Airtourer (looks a bit
like a 2 seat
AA5) locally (then - we sold the factory to New Zealand, then the Air
I've seen one.
engine. Unusual control setup, instead of dual's it
had a single stick
with a spade grip in the middle of the cockpit and a central throttle.
Easy once you get used to it. Was a lot of fun to fly, I first learnt
how to spin in that, since spins are classed as an aerobatic manouevre
in this country - and a stock C150 isn't cleared for them - they teach
you how to recover from an INCIPIENT spin instead. Not sure I'm
comfortable with that, spins are very disconcerting the first couple of
times you encounter them, it should be a requirement.
I have more hours in C150's than anything else, I liked them a lot.
I feel spins are important training. That and basic acro so there are no
unusual attitudes after that. Of my hours, 600 or so are in '528 my C150
and two others I trained in. It a bird I know very well right to the
screws.
I've flown it for 21 years and done a lot of the lighter maintenance even
part of the ovehaul.
(First plane, first car, first computer, first love -
they all seem to
be special)
ah, yes.
One day when I am rich and famous (yeah, right) I'm
going to buy me one.
I'd like the one I
learnt in if I can, last time I looked in a register VH-KQY was still
doing mustering on a station in Western Australia. Been there since 85.
At least it's still flying.....
That or one of those odd aussi ag birds.
Allison
10 Apr
10 Apr
11:59 p.m.
----- Original Message -----
From: "allisonp" <allisonp(a)world.std.com>
To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2000 11:32 AM
Subject: Re: Slips [OT]
That's about the size of it. Factor in a rough strip and a crosswind.
It also had a slightly
terrifying habit of dropping revs to about 2000rpm just after takeoff
Ok.
That would be a Transavia PL12 Airtruck. Looks like the result of a
midair collision between
a railway signal box and a Grumman AgCat. Wierd describes them. Good
ag birds though.
They were designed and built around 1964, with about 120 built in total,
some were exported.
Basically, it fell in a hole due to a lack of Government protection from
cheaper imports.
There's one at Jamestown about 40 miles from here.
The chief designer (fellow named Millicer) designed a prototype that
ultimately became the Victa Airtourer.
(Trivia: Airtourers were known as 'flying lawnmowers' due to the fact
that the company was best known for it's 2 stroke lawnmowers...)
Cheers
Geoff Roberts
Computer Systems Manager
Saint Mark's College
Port Pirie,
South Australia
geoffrob(a)stmarks.pp.catholic.edu.au
netcafe(a)pirie.mtx.net.au
ICQ: 1970476
Training birds tend to be more out of rig. Use and
abuse.
No argument.
Mine was never a primary trainer and has better
habits.
That explains a lot...
My first experience with a reall snap was a C152, it
was flipped at
55hrs TT. It was a really nice bird but even clean approach stalls
it would violently snap to the right every time. There more about
that one but I prefer to not talk about it. Suffice to say it never
got
to 150hrs. Most 152s do not fly like that.
Ahem. No. Sounds like there was a twist in the mainplane somewhere.
Fairly
common when they get overturned.
>About sums it up. I did a Cherokee endorsement
when I moved to
Broken
>Hill in the 70's, and all
>they had was Cherokees, I used to fly a Cherokee Arrow
>(PA28-180-Retractable) home on some weekends, it was a nice ride.
But
the short field
performance sucked and you can't taxi them through
gates up to a house. (Both very important in a bush aircraft in this
country.)
it was like landing a brick. from time to time.
I was left with a choice
between trees and a lake on one occasion at
Menindee Lakes if it hadn't
recovered it's composure. Never flew that one again til they got it
fixed. Story was it supposedly had
a crook injector (nicest thing about the aircraft - injected engine) but
it still did a similar thing to someone else after they replaced them.
The engine was replaced (by popular consent amongst the Aero Club
members) at
time expiry, rather than being rebuilt. Problem disappeared. Still
don't know what was really wrong with it,
valve sticking maybe..
I did an
endorsement on a Victa Airtourer (looks a bit like a 2 seat
AA5) locally (then - we sold the factory to New Zealand, then the Air
I've seen one.
I feel spins are important training. That and basic acro so there are
no
unusual attitudes after that. Of my hours, 600 or so
are in '528 my
C150
and two others I trained in. It a bird I know very
well right to the
screws.
I've flown it for 21 years and done a lot of the lighter maintenance
even
part of the ovehaul.
Sigh. Can't lay a spanner on your own aircraft without a L.A.M.E to
sign it off.
You can change the oil, and the spark plugs. That's about it.
Ultralights have promised to change that, and to a degree, they have,
but flying is
still quite expensive here. It's around AU$95 an hour in a Jabiru
(rotax powered high
wing, closed cabin) looks a lot like a 150 with severe malnutrition) for
dual instruction,
and around $70 or so hire & fly.
>learnt in if I can, last time I looked in a
register VH-KQY was still
>doing mustering on a station in Western Australia. Been there since
85.
At least
it's still flying.....
That or one of those odd aussi ag birds.
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