7 Mar
2002
7 Mar
'02
8:52 p.m.
On March 8, Doc Shipley wrote:
Just got home with my brand-spanking-old MVII and
set about playing
with it. It's indecently clean inside, cables all in good shape, fans
all free and clean, cards well seated.
Sounds like a girl I once knew.
I even managed to get them all back in properly, in
order, and the
cables connected right.
This too.
This means I would, if I had the distribution
hardware for the DHQ11s,
have 25 serial interfaces? (plus console) What exactly is the DMV11?
"Synchronous communications controller" sounds like it requires a DMV11
on the other end as well.
It's a sync serial interface...you'd connect it to a CSU/DSU and a
leased line, or something similar.
Everything VMS I've looked at says the DEQNA is
unsupported in VMS
DELQAs are fairly easy to come by. If you want one and can't find
one immediately, email me.
v5.2. Is that unsupported as in "don't
call DEC/Compaq/HP", or
unsupported as in "it don't work"? Am I
stuck with NetBSD then? Does
anyone know if NBSD will mop-boot over the DEQNA? I don't have VMS
older than 6.2. Anybody have 2 breakout boxes for the M3107, and no
M3107? We could
equalize.... For that matter, if anybody needs the card, I'll just
share.
I might have one of these, I will check. Email me if you don't hear
back about this by the end of the weekend.
You know you're over the edge when the lack of
ethernet access in your
garage is a problem.
Nah...that's just a *start*.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire
St. Petersburg, FL "Less talk. More synthohol." --Lt. Worf
8 Mar
8 Mar
1:06 a.m.
On Fri, 8 Mar 2002, Dave McGuire wrote:
Ah. IOW, "useless in my world." Anybody need one?
No big thing. I _am_ thinking about starting a BBS, but I was gonna
use the RS/6000 340 for that. ;^)
Actually, I'm more likely to remove all the extra serial adapters and
see if anyone needs them, or just ignore 'em in place.
Doc
Sounds like a girl I once knew.
Dave, _everything_ sounds like a girl you once knew.
"Synchronous communications controller" sounds like it requires a DMV11
on the other end as well.
It's a sync serial interface...you'd connect it to a CSU/DSU and a
leased line, or something similar. DELQAs are fairly easy to come by. If you want one
and can't find
one immediately, email me.
So you're saying unsupported means "It don't work"?
Corollary question #1: Are NetBSD and (ahem) Linux/vax the only
unices that run on this critter? Ultrix is unobtainium, therefore
doesn't count.
Corollary question #2: If I replace the DEQNA, is VMS 6.2 or OpenVMS
7.2 the better choice for this machine. Strictly fooling around, no
real production usage.
Anybody have
2 breakout boxes for the M3107, and no M3107? We could
equalize.... For that matter, if anybody needs the card, I'll just
share.
I might have one of these, I will check. Email me if you don't hear
back about this by the end of the weekend. 
1:58 a.m.
On Fri, Mar 08, 2002 at 09:06:04AM -0600, Doc wrote:
Corollary question #1: Are NetBSD and (ahem)
Linux/vax the only
unices that run on this critter? Ultrix is unobtainium, therefore
doesn't count.
Linux/VAX runs on QBus machines? Dos it at last run?
OpenBSD has "stolen" a lot of the NetBSD VAX stuff and may run
on a MVII.
I would sugest to go to http://www.tuhs.org/ and get some old
4.3BSD-Tahoe stuff. This is straight, plain, good, old BSD UNIX.
This will run fine on a MVII.
--
tsch??,
Jochen
Homepage: http://www.unixag-kl.fh-kl.de/~jkunz/
9 Mar
9 Mar
3:02 a.m.
New subject: Unix on MVII; Was Re: MicroVAX-II questions
On Fri, 8 Mar 2002, Jochen Kunz wrote:
Linux/VAX runs on QBus machines? Dos it at last run?
If I read the status reports correctly, it "partially boots" on
several of the QBus VAXen.
OpenBSD has "stolen" a lot of the NetBSD VAX
stuff and may run
on a MVII.
I may not have ever given OpenBSD a fair shake, but I've been less
than impressed with it on x86 and Alpha. Seems in general to be more of
a cult than a separate OS.
I would sugest to go to http://www.tuhs.org/ and get
some old
4.3BSD-Tahoe stuff. This is straight, plain, good, old BSD UNIX.
This will run fine on a MVII.
Now, THAT is what I wanted to hear.
What about the Ultrix-32M that's archived there? The images are all
DX50 floppy. Does anyone know if these can be stacked to a bootable
TK50 tape? I've seen a lot of passing mentions of Ultrix-32 on MVII.
More info? Opinions?
Doc
4:55 a.m.
New subject: Unix on MVII; Was Re: MicroVAX-II questions
On 9 Mar, Doc wrote:
Ohh! That is more than I expected.
That
4BSD/Distributions/4.3BSD-Quasijarus0a stuff is quite easy to
install, once you got around the the *.Z != *.Z != .gz idiosyncrasy. If
your disk is a non-DEC / non supported disk (I think this includes all
RD5x) put a disklabel on the disk with a netbooted NetBSD. Also: You
can use the NetBSD bootloader to load the 4.3BSD-Tahoe kernel if you
can't get it to boot with the original bootstrap. You schould extract
usr/doc/smm from the usr.tar ball to get the setup document...
If you wane make a boot tape, write it with
PDP-11/Distributions/ucb/2.11BSD/maketape.*
Linux/VAX runs
on QBus machines? Dos it at last run?
If I read the status reports correctly, it
"partially boots" on
several of the QBus VAXen. I may not have ever given OpenBSD a fair shake, but
I've been less
than impressed with it on x86 and Alpha. Seems in general to be more of
a cult than a separate OS.
Maybe. I never used OpenBSD, but I have a similar
impression. But this
questions are not the topic of this thread.
I would sugest
to go to http://www.tuhs.org/ and get some old
4.3BSD-Tahoe stuff. This is straight, plain, good, old BSD UNIX.
This will run fine on a MVII.
Now, THAT is what I wanted to hear. What about the Ultrix-32M that's archived there?
There is Ultrix/VAX? I only know about Ultrix/11 in the archive.
--
tschuess,
Jochen
Homepage: http://www.unixag-kl.fh-kl.de/~jkunz
5:56 a.m.
New subject: Unix on MVII; Was Re: MicroVAX-II questions
On Sat, 9 Mar 2002 jkunz(a)unixag-kl.fh-kl.de wrote:
ftp://minnie.tuhs.org/UnixArchive/VAX/Distributions/Ultrix-32M/
Maybe the maketape utils will work with that too. Heck, I may end up
having to populate the VS-II too (nice BA123 w/ 3x RD53, TK50, totally
bare QBus)
WooHoo!
Doc
On 9 Mar, Doc wrote:
Ohh! That is more than I expected.
The project is now on SourceForge, and seems to be fairly active
again. But I have *plenty* of Linux boxen....
Linux/VAX
runs on QBus machines? Dos it at last run?
If I read the status reports
correctly, it "partially boots" on
several of the QBus VAXen. That 4BSD/Distributions/4.3BSD-Quasijarus0a stuff is
quite easy to
install, once you got around the the *.Z != *.Z != .gz idiosyncrasy. If
I know about the *.Z != *.gz but I thought *.Z = *.Z ??
If you wane make a boot tape, write it with
PDP-11/Distributions/ucb/2.11BSD/maketape.*
Sounds like I'm busy this week. :^)
What about
the Ultrix-32M that's archived there?
There is Ultrix/VAX? I only know about
Ultrix/11 in the archive.
7:25 a.m.
New subject: Unix on MVII; Was Re: MicroVAX-II questions
On 9 Mar, Doc wrote:
[Linux/VAX]
Use maketape for creating the tapes, pre-disklabel the disks with NetBSD
and read the setup paper. Than you will have a smooth ride on the VAX.
Ahh, once the -Tahoe kernel is running it uses 7e1 on the console...
The project is now on SourceForge, and seems to be
fairly active
again. But I have *plenty* of Linux boxen....
Hmpf. I don't like Linux.
Pollute my holy VAXen with it horrifys me.
I know about the *.Z != *.gz but I thought *.Z =
*.Z ??
Read: http://minnie.tuhs.org/Quasijarus/compress.html and the other
pages about Quasijarus to get an impression about the personality of
Michael Sokolov, the Quasijarus maintainer. Mr. Sokolov is a bit,
uhhmmm, "difficult"...
If you wane
make a boot tape, write it with
PDP-11/Distributions/ucb/2.11BSD/maketape.*
Sounds like I'm busy this week.
:^)
ftp://minnie.tuhs.org/UnixArchive/VAX/Distributions/Ultrix-32M/
Maybe the maketape utils will work with that too.
Hmm. I think that you will not
be able to generate boot tapes from
floppy disk images.
Heck, I may end up having to populate the VS-II too
(nice BA123 w/
3x RD53, TK50, totally bare QBus)
VS? You mean there is GPX graphics board set in
it? Nice. I have to
build a new bulkhead for the GPX in my MV III...
--
tschuess,
Jochen
Homepage: http://www.unixag-kl.fh-kl.de/~jkunz
9:26 a.m.
New subject: Unix on MVII; Was Re: MicroVAX-II questions
On Sat, 9 Mar 2002 jkunz(a)unixag-kl.fh-kl.de wrote:
Thanks for the pointers. I've got the Quasijarus0a distribution
downloaded; now I just need to make tapes and read a lot.
No, I mean the front bezel says "VAXstation II" There's no GPX, or
storage controllers, or communication controllers, or memory, or CPU.
That's what I meant by "totally bare QBus". The cab kits, drives, and
bulkheads are there for the GPX, an RQDX3, a DEQNA, a TQK50, and
the KA630; but there are no boards at all. It looks like someone
stripped it for the refiners.
Doc
Heck, I may
end up having to populate the VS-II too (nice BA123 w/
3x RD53, TK50, totally bare QBus)
VS? You mean there is GPX graphics board set in
it? Nice. I have to
build a new bulkhead for the GPX in my MV III...
14 Mar
14 Mar
12:57 p.m.
New subject: Sokolov Compression & gzcompat
On Sat, 9 Mar 2002 jkunz(a)unixag-kl.fh-kl.de wrote:
^^^^^^^^^
After reading that page, I nominate Jochen "ClassicCmp Diplomat-of-
the-Year."
So I've found several links discussing using NetBSD to convert the
Quasijaran .Z to .gz, but none of them say _how_. How? It looks like I
need to install BSD4.3-Quasijarus0a and build gzcompat so I can
uncompress the archives and build a Quasijarus0a install tape....
I know about
the *.Z != *.gz but I thought *.Z = *.Z ??
Read:
http://minnie.tuhs.org/Quasijarus/compress.html and the other
pages about Quasijarus to get an impression about the personality of
Michael Sokolov, the Quasijarus maintainer. Mr. Sokolov is a bit,
uhhmmm, "difficult"... Ahh, once the -Tahoe kernel is running it uses 7e1 on
the console...
Erk! I missed this on the first read. That might have been a
show-stopper... Thanks.
VS? You mean there is GPX graphics board set in it?
Nice. I have to
build a new bulkhead for the GPX in my MV III...
Need info on the cable/bulkhead? I have them, but I'm saving it. The
GPX board seems a lot more common than the cab kit, and I'll want it
someday.
Speaking of, I've sort of blindly assumed that "cab kit" is "cabinet
connector kit" and refers to everything from the adapter board to the
bulkhead plate and connector. Is that more-or-less accurate?
Doc
2:04 p.m.
New subject: Sokolov Compression & gzcompat
A veritable one man show is that Michael Sokolov...
I've got a version of his uncompress somewhere that runs on FreeBSD,
and the sources could be compiled on other *nixes...
Let me know if there is interest and I'll dig it up.
Clint
On Thu, 14 Mar 2002, Doc wrote:
On Sat, 9 Mar 2002 jkunz(a)unixag-kl.fh-kl.de wrote:
^^^^^^^^^
After reading that page, I nominate Jochen "ClassicCmp Diplomat-of-
the-Year."
So I've found several links discussing using NetBSD to convert the
Quasijaran .Z to .gz, but none of them say _how_. How? It looks like I
need to install BSD4.3-Quasijarus0a and build gzcompat so I can
uncompress the archives and build a Quasijarus0a install tape....
I know
about the *.Z != *.gz but I thought *.Z = *.Z ??
Read:
http://minnie.tuhs.org/Quasijarus/compress.html and the other
pages about Quasijarus to get an impression about the personality of
Michael Sokolov, the Quasijarus maintainer. Mr. Sokolov is a bit,
uhhmmm, "difficult"... Ahh, once the -Tahoe kernel is running it uses
7e1 on the console...
Erk! I missed this on the first read. That might have been a
show-stopper... Thanks.
VS? You mean there is GPX graphics board set in
it? Nice. I have to
build a new bulkhead for the GPX in my MV III...
Need info on the cable/bulkhead? I have them, but I'm saving it. The
GPX board seems a lot more common than the cab kit, and I'll want it
someday.
Speaking of, I've sort of blindly assumed that "cab kit" is
"cabinet
connector kit" and refers to everything from the adapter board to the
bulkhead plate and connector. Is that more-or-less accurate?
Doc
2:33 p.m.
New subject: Sokolov Compression & gzcompat
On Thu, 14 Mar 2002, Clint Wolff (VAX collector) wrote:
A veritable one man show is that Michael Sokolov...
Yup.
But wasn't that his proposal for building a SuperVAX that someone
forwarded a couple of weeks ago? After reading that, I felt like I'd
had sex. Really *good* sex.
I've got a version of his uncompress somewhere
that runs on FreeBSD,
and the sources could be compiled on other *nixes...
Roughly 2.4 seconds after I hit "send" on that post, it occured to me
to just try building the gzcompat source in NetBSD. Duh.
If that won't fly, I may ask you to dig it up.
Doc
7:41 p.m.
New subject: Sokolov Compression & gzcompat
On Thu, Mar 14, 2002 at 08:57:16PM -0600, Doc wrote:
After reading that page, I nominate Jochen
"ClassicCmp Diplomat-of-
the-Year."
Thanks, but you haven't seen me when I am in BOFH mode...
MUUAAAhahaha. :-)
So I've found several links discussing using
NetBSD to convert the
Quasijaran .Z to .gz, but none of them say _how_. How? It looks like I
need to install BSD4.3-Quasijarus0a and build gzcompat so I can
uncompress the archives and build a Quasijarus0a install tape....
gzcompat is
included in this plain, uncompressed tar file:
ftp://ftp.cs.tu-berlin.de/pub/bsd/UnixArchive/4BSD/Distributions/components/compress.tar
With this you can simply do a
cat Quasi.Z | gzcompat | gzip -d > Quasi
Need info on the cable/bulkhead?
I have a
PDF with the scanned QDSS tech man. The pinout schould be in there.
--
tsch??,
Jochen
Homepage: http://www.unixag-kl.fh-kl.de/~jkunz/
9 Mar
9 Mar
6:08 a.m.
New subject: Unix on MVII; Was Re: MicroVAX-II questions
On Sat, Mar 09, 2002 at 11:02:01AM -0600, Doc wrote:
On Fri, 8 Mar 2002, Jochen Kunz wrote:
I'm curious myself to know if OpenBSD boots on your MicroVAX II.
Snapshots are at: ftp.openbsd.org:/pub/OpenBSD/snapshots/vax/
And as far as "stealing" code goes, maybe you should ask ragge for his
opinion on the genesis of our port, or even just have a look at the
sources and commit history of NetBSD/vax itself. You will find that a
diverse succession of projects and individuals have made significant
contributions over the years, including OpenBSD.
/Hugh
Linux/VAX runs on QBus machines? Dos it at last
run?
If I read the status reports correctly, it "partially boots" on
several of the QBus VAXen.
OpenBSD has "stolen" a lot of the
NetBSD VAX stuff and may run
on a MVII.
I may not have ever given OpenBSD a fair shake, but I've been less
than impressed with it on x86 and Alpha. Seems in general to be more of
a cult than a separate OS.
6:27 a.m.
New subject: Unix on MVII; Was Re: MicroVAX-II questions
On Sat, 9 Mar 2002, Hugh Graham wrote:
I'm
curious myself to know if OpenBSD boots on your MicroVAX II.
Snapshots are at: ftp.openbsd.org:/pub/OpenBSD/snapshots/vax/
From looking at the INSTALL.vax list of supported controllers, I
seriously doubt it. Looks like at best I could mop-boot over the
DEQNA, but then I don't have access to storage unless OBSD can access
the DEQNA as a Lance chip.
I'll try it, though, when I get the thing hooked into my network.
And as far as "stealing" code goes, maybe
you should ask ragge for his
opinion on the genesis of our port, or even just have a look at the
sources and commit history of NetBSD/vax itself. You will find that a
diverse succession of projects and individuals have made significant
contributions over the years, including OpenBSD.
See there, Jochen, you got me in trouble! ;)
Wasn't me, I swear.
Doc
6:53 a.m.
New subject: Unix on MVII; Was Re: MicroVAX-II questions
On 9 Mar, Hugh Graham wrote:
And as far as "stealing" code goes,
OK. "stealing" was a bit missunderstandable. I wanted to express that
the OpenBSD/VAX port was dead for some time and they took a big (?)
amount of code from NetBSD to get it back to live. At least I have this
impression. Since then, the two systems seams to live in a fruitfull
coexistence, taking the Good Things (C) (R) (TM) from each other. I
like this. Sharing code and work together is very BSDish. And: It shows
that both systems can work together without those ^#&#!$* flame wars
NetBSD vs. OpenBSD.
--
tschuess,
Jochen
Homepage: http://www.unixag-kl.fh-kl.de/~jkunz
8 Mar
8 Mar
4:42 a.m.
--- Doc <doc(a)mdrconsult.com> wrote:
On Fri, 8 Mar 2002, Dave McGuire wrote:
> > "Synchronous communications controller" sounds like it requires a
> > DMV11 on the other end as well.
>
> It's a sync serial interface...you'd connect it to a CSU/DSU and a
> leased line, or something similar.
I have at least one dial-up sync modem (from my HASP/3780/SNA days). ISTR
it's 2400 bps. Also, for in-room use, we used to use sync modem
eliminators - think of a null-modem for an async port, but add some
electronics to squirt out a baud rate clock on both ports on pin 15
and 17. We used to use COMBOARDs off the test bench to make our own
point-to-point HASP network for moving files from box to box. Beat
paying DEC for their DDCMP cards (we didn't have a single scrap of
Ethernet, even up through 1994).
-ethan
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