2 Nov
2003
2 Nov
'03
9:46 a.m.
Hi everyone, check this out, Hummer used the old
"Asteroids" video game in their latest commercial:
http://www.hummer.com/hummerjsp/world/tv/index.jsp
2 Nov
2 Nov
11:20 a.m.
On Sun, 2 Nov 2003, evan wrote:
Hi everyone, check this out, Hummer used the old
"Asteroids" video game in their latest commercial:
http://www.hummer.com/hummerjsp/world/tv/index.jsp
Hummer: Everything That's Wrong With America
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11:30 a.m.
On Sunday, November 2, 2003, at 07:20 PM, Vintage Computer Festival
wrote:
On Sun, 2 Nov 2003, evan wrote:
Hey Sellam,
You could carry a lot more collected computers in a hummer than you
could in
that car in the pictures :^)
Hi everyone, check this out, Hummer used the old
"Asteroids" video game in their latest commercial:
http://www.hummer.com/hummerjsp/world/tv/index.jsp
Hummer: Everything That's Wrong With America
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12:08 p.m.
On Sun, 2 Nov 2003, Fred Cisin wrote:
I know, but to me, the Hummer represents it all in one nice, tidy, slickly
commercialized package.
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Hummer:
Everything That's Wrong With America
There are many things that are wrong; not just the Hummer.
11:41 a.m.
On Sun, 2 Nov 2003, Ron Hudson wrote:
You could carry a lot more collected computers in a
hummer than you
could in that car in the pictures :^)
My 4-Runner is big enough, thank you (and it gets much better gas
mileage). If I need to haul anything bigger then I'll rent a moving van.
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4 Nov
5:29 a.m.
>> Hi everyone, check this out, Hummer used the
old
>> "Asteroids" video game in their latest commercial:
>> http://www.hummer.com/hummerjsp/world/tv/index.jsp
> Hummer: Everything That's Wrong With America
Hey Sellam,
You could carry a lot more collected computers in a
hummer than you
could in that car in the pictures :^)
Ron, give him a break, he's driving one of these big useless
Toyota SUVs, and I'm bugging him every time I'm over when he
finaly get's rid of that fuel sucking monster and gets himself
a nice roomy and economic station wagoon. Then again, gas is so
damn cheap in California ....
Gruss
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12:21 p.m.
On Tue, 4 Nov 2003, Hans Franke wrote:
Ron, give him a break, he's driving one of these
big useless
Toyota SUVs, and I'm bugging him every time I'm over when he
finaly get's rid of that fuel sucking monster and gets himself
a nice roomy and economic station wagoon.
I'm still waiting for the SmartCar to appear in the States...
Then again, gas is so damn cheap in California ....
Well, it used to be, until we invaded Iraq, presumably to get cheaper oil.
Haha, the joke's on us.
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12:39 p.m.
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Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 9:21 PM
Subject: Re: Hummer / Asteroids TV commercial
On Tue, 4 Nov 2003, Hans Franke wrote:
We invaded Iraq so the OIL companies can get cheaper oil, since when do
politicians do anything good for th consumer? Still prices here (Ohio) have
dropped quite a bit since the summer.
Ron, give him a break, he's driving one of
these big useless
Toyota SUVs, and I'm bugging him every time I'm over when he
finaly get's rid of that fuel sucking monster and gets himself
a nice roomy and economic station wagoon.
I'm still waiting for the SmartCar to appear in the States...
Then again, gas is so damn cheap in California
....
Well, it used to be, until we invaded Iraq, presumably to get cheaper oil.
Haha, the joke's on us.
12:54 p.m.
On Tuesday, November 4, 2003, at 08:39 PM, Teo Zenios wrote:
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Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 9:21 PM
Subject: Re: Hummer / Asteroids TV commercial
Prices in CA are high because there is an artificial monopoly. Only
about
5 companies make "California" gas with MTBE. That and the extra taxes
the
environmentally aware Californians put on.
On Tue, 4 Nov 2003, Hans Franke wrote:
We invaded Iraq so the OIL companies can get cheaper oil, since when do
politicians do anything good for th consumer? Still prices here (Ohio)
have
dropped quite a bit since the summer.
Ron, give him a break, he's driving one of
these big useless
Toyota SUVs, and I'm bugging him every time I'm over when he
finaly get's rid of that fuel sucking monster and gets himself
a nice roomy and economic station wagoon.
I'm still waiting for the SmartCar to appear in the States...
Then again, gas is so damn cheap in California
....
Well, it used to be, until we invaded Iraq, presumably to get cheaper
oil.
Haha, the joke's on us.
1:56 p.m.
Ron, give him
a break, he's driving one of these big useless
Toyota SUVs, and I'm bugging him every time I'm over when he
finaly get's rid of that fuel sucking monster and gets himself
a nice roomy and economic station wagoon.
I'm still waiting for the SmartCar to appear in the States...
2:48 p.m.
On Tue, 4 Nov 2003, Cameron Kaiser wrote:
Those things rock! It's the perfect city car.
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I'm still
waiting for the SmartCar to appear in the States...
Argh. You don't mean that little two-seater deal? They were a plague upon
Rome (just got back from vacation), although I can't argue with their
fuel economy.
11:44 p.m.
Those things
rock! It's the perfect city car.
Until a real car (tm) hits you. 
5 Nov
5 Nov
1:54 a.m.
On 2003.11.05 14:44 Hans Franke wrote:
[Smart car]
At first I thought a lot is missing, but then I
realized every
function needed is there.
It is missing one critical function: Loading space. ;-)
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4 Nov
4 Nov
8:20 p.m.
Cameron:
> > Ron, give him a break, he's driving one of these big useless
> > Toyota SUVs, and I'm bugging him every time I'm over when he
> > finaly get's rid of that fuel sucking monster and gets himself
> > a nice roomy and economic station wagoon.
> I'm still waiting for the SmartCar to appear
in the States...
Argh. You don't mean that little two-seater deal?
They were a plague upon
Rome (just got back from vacation), although I can't argue with their
fuel economy.
Maybe, the Italians always loved to drive small stuff. The
Smart is a perfect example for an emotional car. Either you'll
love it or you hate it. there is no indifference. I love it.
you got a better seat feeling than in an E-calss Mercedes.
Shure, the car ends right in front of the windshield and just
two feet behing your heed, but you don't feel it (most cars don't
let you see the hood anyway, and who turns around while driving).
Fuel Economy isn't as good as it may seam, since AC and all the
little gadgets need their power, so gasmilage is only between
50 and 70 mpg (city/highway).
Nonetheless its extreme fun to drive it. Due the low wight and
relative high powered engine (50+ HP) it drives like a cart.
And it's even a great ClassicComp vehicle, at least if you
collect small stuff. The 'trunk' (as i tried) is good for two
PETs, two 8050 dual drives, two 3022 printers and a bunch of
manuals, diskboxes and so on :)
And best of all, the new Roadster is a blast ... finaly again
a new super small fun car, like the old 60's britisch cars...
Ron:
> Then again, gas is so damn cheap in California
....
Yikes! I escaped CA, and one of the reasons was the
prices!
But I guess CA is cheaper than most of europe ;^)
At the moment it's acceptable in Germany: about 1.10 Euro
per liter regular or 1.20 for premium), so make that five
bucks a gallon. And Germany isn't even the most expensive
place in Europe. If I remember the British prices correctly,
which are quite higher, I don't understand why there was
still oposition to Blairs heroic support for the war ... *G*
Prices in CA are high because there is an artificial
monopoly.
Only about 5 companies make "California" gas with MTBE. That
and the extra taxes the environmentally aware Californians
put on.
Are you shure that there are more companies in the US at all
doing gas? I'm not talking about the label, since refineing
business and selling are not connected in any way.
Gruss
H.
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11:21 p.m.
At 11:20 05/11/2003 +0100, Hans Franke wrote:
Well, a tank of diesel just cost me GBP 0.769/litre (about $4.88/US Gallon)
and standard unleaded petrol is about the same price, depending where you
get it from.
Rob.
31% geek .. (and my wifde came out at 18% and I'd not say she was)
Yikes! I
escaped CA, and one of the reasons was the prices!
But I guess CA is cheaper than most of europe ;^)
At the moment it's acceptable in Germany: about 1.10 Euro
per liter regular or 1.20 for premium), so make that five
bucks a gallon. And Germany isn't even the most expensive
place in Europe. If I remember the British prices correctly,
5 Nov
5 Nov
12:24 a.m.
On Wednesday, November 5, 2003, at 04:20 AM, Hans Franke wrote:
California law requires(ed) a specific oxygenate, MTBE = cleans
up some gasses from exhaust but gets in to the water and is very
hard to get out. Only a few refiners mix that particular mix.
They raised prices when the started putting the MTBE in. And now
that the law has changed they say they will have to raise prices
to take it out.
Cameron:
>> Ron, give him a break, he's driving one of these big useless
>> Toyota SUVs, and I'm bugging him every time I'm over when he
>> finaly get's rid of that fuel sucking monster and gets himself
>> a nice roomy and economic station wagoon.
> I'm still waiting for the SmartCar to
appear in the States...
Argh. You don't mean that little two-seater
deal? They were a plague
upon
Rome (just got back from vacation), although I can't argue with their
fuel economy.
Maybe, the Italians always loved to drive small stuff. The
Smart is a perfect example for an emotional car. Either you'll
love it or you hate it. there is no indifference. I love it.
you got a better seat feeling than in an E-calss Mercedes.
Shure, the car ends right in front of the windshield and just
two feet behing your heed, but you don't feel it (most cars don't
let you see the hood anyway, and who turns around while driving).
Fuel Economy isn't as good as it may seam, since AC and all the
little gadgets need their power, so gasmilage is only between
50 and 70 mpg (city/highway).
Nonetheless its extreme fun to drive it. Due the low wight and
relative high powered engine (50+ HP) it drives like a cart.
And it's even a great ClassicComp vehicle, at least if you
collect small stuff. The 'trunk' (as i tried) is good for two
PETs, two 8050 dual drives, two 3022 printers and a bunch of
manuals, diskboxes and so on :)
And best of all, the new Roadster is a blast ... finaly again
a new super small fun car, like the old 60's britisch cars...
Ron:
> Then again, gas is so damn cheap in
California ....
Yikes! I escaped CA, and one of the reasons was
the prices!
But I guess CA is cheaper than most of europe ;^)
At the moment it's acceptable in Germany: about 1.10 Euro
per liter regular or 1.20 for premium), so make that five
bucks a gallon. And Germany isn't even the most expensive
place in Europe. If I remember the British prices correctly,
which are quite higher, I don't understand why there was
still oposition to Blairs heroic support for the war ... *G*
Prices in CA are high because there is an
artificial monopoly.
Only about 5 companies make "California" gas with MTBE. That
and the extra taxes the environmentally aware Californians
put on.
Are you shure that there are more companies in the US at all
doing gas? I'm not talking about the label, since refineing
business and selling are not connected in any way.
Gruss
H.
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2 Nov
2 Nov
12:55 p.m.
Quothe Vintage Computer Festival, from writings of Sun, Nov 02, 2003
at 05:20:54PM -0800:
Hummer: Everything That's Wrong With America
Actually, the desire to own a Hummer, or any SUV, is the result of
un-treated station-wagon envy. Envy of real station wagons, that is,
which are at least 18 feet long and weigh well over two tons, not
those tiny little vehicles that are now sold as station wagons... you
know the kind with fairly large to large V8 engines, body-on-frame
construction, tailgates that open two ways and tailgate windows that
open, which passengers can stick their feet out of while taking long
rides.
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1:04 p.m.
Envy of real station wagons, that is, which are at
least 18 feet
long and weigh well over two tons
Mmm... And the last one my dad had a number of years ago used more
oil than gas. Gotta love those monsters though... Could drag along
the entire cub scout group!
H2's are just plain stupid. It's an overgrown Suburban. If you want a
Hummer, get the real thing.
http://www.humvee.net
-JR
1:37 p.m.
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To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
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Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2003 10:04 PM
Subject: Re: Hummer / Asteroids TV commercial
H2's are for people who want a hummer but cant afford the original. Do you
put down the million BMW 3 series drivers who cant afford a BMW 850?
Personally I dont care what people drive or wear as long as I dont have to
pay for any of it.
Envy of real
station wagons, that is, which are at least 18 feet
long and weigh well over two tons
Mmm... And the last one my dad had a number of years ago used more
oil than gas. Gotta love those monsters though... Could drag along
the entire cub scout group!
H2's are just plain stupid. It's an overgrown Suburban. If you want a
Hummer, get the real thing.
http://www.humvee.net
-JR
1:55 p.m.
I don't care about the moral or ethical dilemmas of driving an H2, but DAMN
THOSE THINGS ARE UGLY. Like, ass-end of a baboon ugly. In fact, the AMC
Pacer was a work of automotive art, compared to an H2. Possibly the only
thing uglier than an H2 is a Camaro, or that car with the big screaming
chicken on the hood.
--John
(Hunting for a Town & Country station wagon to replace his Durango)
On Sunday 02 November 2003 22:37 pm, Teo Zenios wrote:
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Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2003 10:04 PM
Subject: Re: Hummer / Asteroids TV commercial
H2's are for people who want a hummer but cant afford the original. Do you
put down the million BMW 3 series drivers who cant afford a BMW 850?
Personally I dont care what people drive or wear as long as I dont have to
pay for any of it.
Envy of
real station wagons, that is, which are at least 18 feet
long and weigh well over two tons
Mmm... And the last one my dad had a number of years ago used more
oil than gas. Gotta love those monsters though... Could drag along
the entire cub scout group!
H2's are just plain stupid. It's an overgrown Suburban. If you want a
Hummer, get the real thing.
http://www.humvee.net
-JR 
3:13 p.m.
Teo Zenios wrote:
H2's are for people who want a hummer but cant afford the original. Do you
put down the million BMW 3 series drivers who cant afford a BMW 850?
Personally I dont care what people drive or wear as long as I dont have to
pay for any of it.
What if you end up wearing what they're driving?
-Ryan
3:31 p.m.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ryan K. Brooks" <ryan(a)hack.net>
To: <General(a)edina.hack.net>
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 12:13 AM
Subject: Re: Hummer / Asteroids TV commercial
Does it really matter if a person hits you at 65mph+ with a hummer, minivan,
camarro, pickup truck, etc? Either way your going to be dead or wishing you
were if and when you wake up. I got rear ended at a red light waiting to
turn by a guy with an old lincoln continental (the kind with metal bumpers
and a frame not the newer unibody stuff) doing probably 40mph without even
hitting the breaks. neadless to say my ford thunderbird was completely
totaled but I was unhurt (but very pissed). A newer vehicle would have had
some crumple zones and would have done less damage to my car then that
battery ram of a gas guzzler did. Still just about any car hitting my driver
door at that speed will pretty much kill me, only difference with a H2 is
that it would run over me doing it.
Teo Zenios wrote:
>
>H2's are for people who want a hummer but cant afford the original. Do
you
>put down the million BMW 3 series drivers who cant
afford a BMW 850?
>Personally I dont care what people drive or wear as long as I dont have
to
pay for any of
it.
What if you end up wearing what they're driving?
-Ryan
>
>
3:25 p.m.
H2's are for people who want a hummer but cant
afford the original. Do you
put down the million BMW 3 series drivers who cant afford a BMW 850?
Personally I dont care what people drive or wear as long as I dont have to
pay for any of it.
Nah, I put down anyone in a Beemer less than 20yo...
Personally, I'm a VW guy. Can't get enough of those aircooled engines! :-)
-JR
3:43 p.m.
John Rollins wrote:
Nah, I put down anyone in a Beemer less than 20yo...
Personally, I'm a VW guy. Can't get enough of those aircooled engines! :-)
I'd love to say , "My computer uses more horsepower than your VW,
has bigger wheels and a heavier chassis" , but I don't own a classic
Computer.
I don't think I can find a vintage machine nowdays where I am.
It looks like we have gone from dumpster diving to bidding
high prices for old junk on ebay. It is too bad most people have
missed all the good deals in vintage computers if they want to collect
them.Just how will we get the young people into older stuff, be they
cars or computers?
4:02 p.m.
On Sun, 2 Nov 2003, ben franchuk wrote:
It looks like we have gone from dumpster diving to
bidding
high prices for old junk on ebay. It is too bad most people have
missed all the good deals in vintage computers if they want to collect
them.Just how will we get the young people into older stuff, be they
cars or computers?
Wrong, wrong, wrong.
They are still out there. You just have to be more tenacious. I guess
it's time to post the Primer again:
Finding Vintage Computers - A Primer
http://www.vintage.org/content.php?id=001
(And by the way, "primer" is pronouced "pry-mer" and not
"primmer" like
some idiots who are attempting to subvert the English language.)
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3 Nov
2:24 a.m.
Quothe ben franchuk, from writings of Sun, Nov 02, 2003 at 10:43:11PM -0700:
I don't think I can find a vintage machine nowdays
where I am.
:-( Aren't there any hamfests in your area? Fewer and fewer older
machines, at low prices anyway, like old test equipment, seem to be
appearing at hamfests, but one never knows what will turn up.
It looks like we have gone from dumpster diving to
bidding
high prices for old junk on ebay. It is too bad most people have
missed all the good deals in vintage computers if they want to collect
them.Just how will we get the young people into older stuff, be they
cars or computers?
Excellent question. Older toys are becoming rarer and expensive, and,
much of the new equipment sold, be it cars or computers, can't be
modified easily, or even legally, like older cars and computers. New
computers (and other electronic equipment), with all of the SMD
components, are less fun to play with, and more difficult to learn
about (circuitry wise, that is---plus, they lack adequate
documenation), and newer cars can't be modified like the old ones
could due to emissions regulations. It seems like the only solution
is to LART many politicians and corporate droids. :-)
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5:24 a.m.
On Sun, 2 Nov 2003, Teo Zenios wrote:
H2's are for people who want a hummer but cant afford the original. Do
you put down the million BMW 3 series drivers who cant afford a BMW 850?
Personally I dont care what people drive or wear as long as I dont have
to pay for any of it.
The difference is that the 3-series is a *real* BMW. It's true to BMW's
intentions. Can't say the same thing for the H2.
Peace... Sridhar
Envy of real station wagons, that is, which are at
least 18 feet long
and weigh well over two tons
Mmm... And the last one my dad had a number of years ago used more oil
than gas. Gotta love those monsters though... Could drag along the
entire cub scout group!
H2's are just plain stupid. It's an overgrown Suburban. If you want a
Hummer, get the real thing. http://www.humvee.net 
4:39 p.m.
That's not correct according to what I've read. The H2 is actually
quite capable off-road. Notice it's very short overhangs, factory
available rock sliders, etc. One article even commented that it had
some advantages over the original.
Chad Fernandez
Michigan, USA
vance(a)neurotica.com wrote:
The difference is that the 3-series is a *real* BMW.
It's true to BMW's
intentions. Can't say the same thing for the H2.
Peace... Sridhar
7:41 a.m.
Actually, the Suburban/Suburban chasis is a pretty heavy duty off-road
vehicle. In many smallish countries without a US/Euro/Asian/Dictator budget
they are used as military vehicles. They are also commonly used as armored
limos, as their chasis is over-engineered and can handle quite a bit of
plating.
The Hummer, like any car, is a tool and performs a basic function, that
being able to go just about anywhere on- or off-road. They are very
expensive because they are difficult and expensive to build (the
transmission is as large as most car engines) and because the market will
support it's price (there really isn't an equivalent vehicle, though Land
Rovers and highly customized Wranglers come close) Some guy/gal who buys one
just to drive around town is no more or less rediculous than someone running
a VAX 6000 to read their E-mail (anyone? :) People drive Hummers 'cause they
are big and overpowered and FUN and COOL, if they aren't driving them
because they have to (there are spots in the upper peninsula of Michigan
where, if you don't have a truck/SUV, you don't drive *anywhere* for most of
the winter) Many collect and operate classic computers because, among other
reasons, it's cool to run a web server on a peice of hardware that cost
$300,000.00 10 years ago in your basement. Cost effective? No.
Environmentally friendly? No. Fun? You wouldn't be reading this list if it
wasn't.
Drive happy!
-Jason (Driving his 1992 Sunbird with 170,000 miles on it. Horray for saving
inherent energy costs! :)
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From: "John Rollins" <kd7bcy(a)teleport.com>
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
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Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2003 10:04 PM
Subject: Re: Hummer / Asteroids TV commercial
Envy of real
station wagons, that is, which are at least 18 feet
long and weigh well over two tons
Mmm... And the last one my dad had a number of years ago used more
oil than gas. Gotta love those monsters though... Could drag along
the entire cub scout group!
H2's are just plain stupid. It's an overgrown Suburban. If you want a
Hummer, get the real thing.
http://www.humvee.net
-JR 
7:51 a.m.
On Mon, 3 Nov 2003, Jason McBrien wrote:
support it's price (there really isn't an
equivalent vehicle, though Land
Rovers and highly customized Wranglers come close) Some guy/gal who buys one
just to drive around town is no more or less rediculous than someone running
a VAX 6000 to read their E-mail (anyone? :) People drive Hummers 'cause they
I
have both a Wrangler 4L Custom *and* a bunch of VAXen handling my
email. Shitty detail is, that they're not even close to being on
the same continent. But we're working on fixin' that :)
reasons, it's cool to run a web server on a peice
of hardware that cost
$300,000.00 10 years ago in your basement. Cost effective? No.
Environmentally friendly? No. Fun? You wouldn't be reading this list if it
wasn't.
You know what the wierd thing is? Once people get over that "..
but er,
what about the performance of that stuff" issue, and see how much fun
it is.. they can soon be caught scrounging the various online markets
for such machinery... :)
Drive happy!
.. and not too fast!
--fred (addicted to his Passat (NL) and Malibu (US))
8:11 a.m.
Actually, the Suburban/Suburban chasis is a pretty
heavy duty
off-road vehicle. In many smallish countries without a
US/Euro/Asian/Dictator budget they are used as military vehicles.
LOL... Look at all the third world countries using Toyota pickups
with mounted MG's... How about a new assault weapon ban including
80's Toyota pickups?
How many people really NEED anything more than an old Geo Metro? Hey,
they get around OK in the city where most vehicles live all their
lives. If it snows, don't go out! Why would anyone want to go
off-road? All that mud? Ick!
Ah well. Jeeps are affordable at least. I want a Rubicon :-)
-JR
9:30 a.m.
>Actually, the Suburban/Suburban chasis is a pretty
heavy duty
>off-road vehicle. In many smallish countries without a
>US/Euro/Asian/Dictator budget they are used as military vehicles.
On Mon, 3 Nov
2003, John Rollins wrote:
LOL... Look at all the third world countries using
Toyota pickups
with mounted MG's... How about a new assault weapon ban including
80's Toyota pickups?
How many people really NEED anything more than an old Geo Metro? Hey,
How heavy a vehicle do you need for a mounted MG? How about using an MG
for toting the MG?
Maybe the definitive definition for Micro/Mini/Mainframe
needs to be written based on what kind of vehicle is needed to transport it.
4 Nov
4 Nov
5:42 a.m.
>Actually, the Suburban/Suburban chasis is a pretty
heavy duty
>off-road vehicle. In many smallish countries without a
>US/Euro/Asian/Dictator budget they are used as military vehicles.
LOL... Look at all the third world countries using
Toyota pickups
with mounted MG's... How about a new assault weapon ban including
80's Toyota pickups?
You're watching to much A-Team reruns.
Gruss
H.
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3 Nov
3 Nov
11:49 a.m.
A significant savings in gas mileage
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2440477101
4 Nov
4 Nov
5:42 a.m.
A significant savings in gas mileage
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2440477101
As a Ural Driver, all I can say is that it's a definite
must in todays trafic. but only complete with at least
one amunition box mounted and of course a gunner in the
side car, so one can finaly get rid of all the Hummers.
http://www.ural.de/gallery/mt16norw.jpg
Gruss
H.
:)
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2 Nov
2 Nov
1:09 p.m.
New subject: Getting OT: Hummer / Asteroids TV commercial
Yeah. All you people go talk all the trash you want about the Hummer! You
won't be saying that when one filled with a bunch of Marines chases your
@$$ down & flattens you out like pizza dough! And that's after they've
turned you into Swiss cheese with the topmounted .50 cal machine gun!
Just my $2 worth!
On 2 Nov 2003 21:50:08 -0500, "R. D. Davis" <rdd(a)rddavis.org> said:
Quothe Vintage Computer Festival, from writings of
Sun, Nov 02, 2003
at 05:20:54PM -0800:
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Hummer: Everything That's Wrong With America
Actually, the desire to own a Hummer, or any SUV, is the result of
un-treated station-wagon envy. Envy of real station wagons, that is,
which are at least 18 feet long and weigh well over two tons, not
those tiny little vehicles that are now sold as station wagons... you
know the kind with fairly large to large V8 engines, body-on-frame
construction, tailgates that open two ways and tailgate windows that
open, which passengers can stick their feet out of while taking long
rides.
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3:48 p.m.
New subject: Getting OT: Hummer / Asteroids TV commercial
On Sun, 2 Nov 2003, David Vohs wrote:
Yeah. All you people go talk all the trash you want
about the Hummer! You
won't be saying that when one filled with a bunch of Marines chases your
@$$ down & flattens you out like pizza dough! And that's after they've
turned you into Swiss cheese with the topmounted .50 cal machine gun!
Thanks, David.
You've just embellished on the point I was trying to make.
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