12 May
2004
12 May
'04
11:51 p.m.
Ok, perhaps this is on-topic because I am writing a program for (at
first) an apple IIC+
I need names for 50 kinds of cargo for a SPACE TRADER game...
stuff like "Military Electronics", "Computer Software" ,
"Industrial
Gems"
"Metal Ore","Dangerous Plants" (what? man eating?)
My imagination gave out after the first 8-10 ...
13 May
13 May
5:56 a.m.
On Thu, 13 May 2004, Ron Hudson wrote:
Ok, perhaps this is on-topic because I am writing a
program for (at
first) an apple IIC+
I need names for 50 kinds of cargo for a SPACE TRADER game...
stuff like "Military Electronics", "Computer Software" ,
"Industrial
Gems"
"Metal Ore","Dangerous Plants" (what? man eating?)
My imagination gave out after the first 8-10 ...
Blow-Up Dolls
Oatmeal
Prophylactics
Manure
Sex Toys
Power Cords
Lint
Shredded Paper
Discarded Tinfoil
Dust
Paper Clips
Slinkies
Cat 5 Cables
Bras and Panties
Bubble Wrap
Printer Toner
PostIt Notes
Jello
Whip Cream
Leather Whips
Mushrooms
Lahsa Apsos
Holy Hand Grenades
Some of this is inspired by stuff around my office (guess which ones :)
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6:06 a.m.
New subject: OT: RE: A little help from my friends...
Blow-Up Dolls
Oatmeal
Prophylactics
Manure
Sex Toys
Power Cords
Lint
Shredded Paper
Discarded Tinfoil
Dust
Paper Clips
Slinkies
Cat 5 Cables
Bras and Panties
Bubble Wrap
Printer Toner
PostIt Notes
Jello
Whip Cream
Leather Whips
Mushrooms
Lahsa Apsos
Holy Hand Grenades
Some of this is inspired by stuff around my office
(guess which ones :)
My guess is for Mushrooms :)
6:20 a.m.
And thusly Vintage Computer Festival spake:
On Thu, 13 May 2004, Ron Hudson wrote:
After Sellam's post I was inspired: ;)
Hamster Pelts
Synthol
Canned Sunshine
Unobtanium ;)
Hydrogen Hydroxide
Round Tuits
Apple I's
Nano Planets
Spam
Cheers,
Bryan
Ok, perhaps this is on-topic because I am writing
a program for (at
first) an apple IIC+
I need names for 50 kinds of cargo for a SPACE TRADER game...
stuff like "Military Electronics", "Computer Software" ,
"Industrial
Gems"
"Metal Ore","Dangerous Plants" (what? man eating?)
My imagination gave out after the first 8-10 ...
12:14 p.m.
On Thu, May 13, 2004 at 11:20:54AM -0400, Bryan Pope wrote:
After Sellam's post I was inspired: ;)
Canned Sunshine
Unobtanium ;)
Round Tuits
That reminded me of all sorts of artifacts that "noobs" are sent on
fools' errands for...
Muffler Bearings
Flight Line
Tape/Film/Lumber Stretcher
Prop Wash
... and there's more than I can't remember right now.
-ethan
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12:25 p.m.
Horn Fluid
Ethan Dicks wrote:
On Thu, May 13, 2004 at 11:20:54AM -0400, Bryan Pope
wrote:
After Sellam's post I was inspired: ;)
Canned Sunshine
Unobtanium ;)
Round Tuits
That reminded me of all sorts of artifacts that "noobs" are sent on
fools' errands for...
Muffler Bearings
Flight Line
Tape/Film/Lumber Stretcher
Prop Wash
... and there's more than I can't remember right now.
-ethan
12:49 p.m.
That reminded me of all sorts of artifacts that
"noobs" are sent on
fools' errands for...
Muffler Bearings
Flight Line
Tape/Film/Lumber Stretcher
Prop Wash
A box of Grid Squares
Vampire Tap Plasma
5 gallon bucket (to capture dropped packets behind the relay rack)
Left handed Crescent Wrench
Torx Hammer
Ethernet Grease (can't let the cable dry out!)
etc... :)
g.
1:01 p.m.
At 09:14 PM 5/13/04 +0000, Ethan wrote:
On Thu, May 13, 2004 at 11:20:54AM -0400, Bryan Pope
wrote:
Geez, how can you forget the left handed monkey wrench?
Joe
After Sellam's post I was inspired: ;)
Canned Sunshine
Unobtanium ;)
Round Tuits
That reminded me of all sorts of artifacts that "noobs" are sent on
fools' errands for...
Muffler Bearings
Flight Line
Tape/Film/Lumber Stretcher
Prop Wash
... and there's more than I can't remember right now.
2:02 p.m.
On May 13, 2004, at 3:01 PM, Joe R. wrote:
At 09:14 PM 5/13/04 +0000, Ethan wrote:
Polka dot paint - There is a Navy story about a guy sent for that - he
used to work for Dupont (big paint people)
and brought back a mixture of oil and water based paints - spray on...
Polka dots (actually I think it would make
little speckles if anything...)
On Thu, May 13, 2004 at 11:20:54AM -0400, Bryan
Pope wrote:
Geez, how can you forget the left handed monkey wrench?
Joe
After Sellam's post I was inspired: ;)
Canned Sunshine
Unobtanium ;)
Round Tuits
That reminded me of all sorts of artifacts that "noobs" are sent on
fools' errands for...
Muffler Bearings
Flight Line
Tape/Film/Lumber Stretcher
Prop Wash
... and there's more than I can't remember right now.
3:06 p.m.
At 04:02 PM 5/13/04 -0700, you wrote:
On May 13, 2004, at 3:01 PM, Joe R. wrote:
They do make that kind of paint, it's a standard product. We used it to
repaint automobile trunks when I worked in a paint and body shop. It
matched the original paint in the '60s model cars.
Joe
At 09:14 PM 5/13/04 +0000, Ethan wrote:
Polka dot paint - There is a Navy story about a guy sent for that - he
used to work for Dupont (big paint people)
and brought back a mixture of oil and water based paints - spray on...
Polka dots (actually I think it would make
little speckles if anything...) On Thu, May 13, 2004 at 11:20:54AM -0400, Bryan
Pope wrote:
Geez, how can you forget the left handed monkey wrench?
Joe
After Sellam's post I was inspired: ;)
Canned Sunshine
Unobtanium ;)
Round Tuits
That reminded me of all sorts of artifacts that "noobs" are sent on
fools' errands for...
Muffler Bearings
Flight Line
Tape/Film/Lumber Stretcher
Prop Wash
... and there's more than I can't remember right now. 
3:08 p.m.
On Thu, 13 May 2004, Ron Hudson wrote:
Polka dot paint - There is a Navy story about a guy
sent for that - he
used to work for Dupont (big paint people)
and brought back a mixture of oil and water based paints - spray on...
Polka dots (actually I think it would make
little speckles if anything...)
Spotted paint is readily available.
GM, rather than matching color with outside body,
painted the inside of the trunks of some of their
cars with a "splatter finish" paint. For touchup
body repair, spray cans are available of it.
4:16 p.m.
Ron Hudson wrote:
Polka dot paint - There is a Navy story about a guy sent for that - he
used to work for Dupont (big paint people)
and brought back a mixture of oil and water based paints - spray on...
Polka dots (actually I think it would make
little speckles if anything...)
Pedant Mode=On
That would depend mostly on the relative viscosities, the spray
aperture, and the pressure.
Pedant Mode=Off
Doc
6:20 p.m.
On Thu, 13 May 2004, Doc Shipley wrote:
Ron Hudson wrote:
There used to be - may still be available - back in the latter
'50s a sprayable paint named Zolatone. It created a sort of
polka-dot effect with a light texture. Typically, it was
multicolor, but could also be purchased in monotone, IIRC.
- don
Polka dot paint - There is a Navy story about a guy sent for that - he
used to work for Dupont (big paint people)
and brought back a mixture of oil and water based paints - spray on...
Polka dots (actually I think it would make
little speckles if anything...)
Pedant Mode=On
That would depend mostly on the relative viscosities, the spray
aperture, and the pressure.
Pedant Mode=Off
Doc 
14 May
14 May
2:37 p.m.
Polka dot paint - There is a Navy story about a guy
sent for that - he
used to work for Dupont (big paint people)
and brought back a mixture of oil and water based paints - spray on...
Polka dots (actually I think it would make
little speckles if anything...)
I was once sent out for a 'bucket of steam'. I realised it was a joke, of
course, and decided to have a bit of fun in return. I got a bucket and
put about 1" depth of water in the bottom. I went back to the person
who'd sent me out for it, and splashed it over him with the comment
'Sorry, it condensed on thw way up here' :-)
Another old one is 'A can of pneumatic fluid', although a mad friend of
mine uses that term to refer to the cans of compressed air used for
removing dust.
And, of course the 'metric screwdriver', although in my experience,
screwdrivers for metric screws are thinner than those for inch-sized
screws with the same width of blade. I actually have both in my toolkit...
-tony
13 May
13 May
3 p.m.
On Thu, 13 May 2004, Ethan Dicks wrote:
That reminded me of all sorts of artifacts that
"noobs" are sent on
fools' errands for...
Muffler Bearings
Flight Line
Tape/Film/Lumber Stretcher
Prop Wash
... and there's more than I can't remember right now.
metric crescent wrench
rubber nails
spotted paint
(all of which actually exist)
6:44 p.m.
metric crescent wrench
rubber nails
spotted paint
(all of which actually exist)
I just gotta ask, then, what's metric about a metric crescent wrench?
Maximum jaw gape? Overall length?
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7:49 p.m.
On Thu, 13 May 2004, der Mouse wrote:
And what on Earth would one do with rubber nails?
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metric
crescent wrench
rubber nails
spotted paint
(all of which actually exist)
I just gotta ask, then, what's metric about a metric crescent wrench?
Maximum jaw gape? Overall length?
8:16 p.m.
New subject: PC-BLUE
A month or so ago, there was considerable scurry to locate a site
that housed the complete archive. Such was found and published,
and I took note and put the URL away for safekeeping. Too safe,
regrettably, as I can not now find it.
Hopefully, one of you is better organized and can 'refresh' my bad
memory. Thanks!!!
- don
8:45 p.m.
New subject: PC-BLUE
A month or so ago, there was considerable scurry to
locate a site
that housed the complete archive. Such was found and published,
and I took note and put the URL away for safekeeping. Too safe,
regrettably, as I can not now find it.
Hopefully, one of you is better organized and can 'refresh' my bad
memory. Thanks!!!
Not better organized, just knew I'd replied to the thread :^)
http://cd.textfiles.com/pcblue/
I recommend looking at the rest of the site as well, I found
something there I've been searching for 10 years for.
Zane
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| | Classic Computer Collector |
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14 May
14 May
4:59 a.m.
New subject: PC-BLUE
http://cd.textfiles.com
g.
On Thu, 13 May 2004, Don Maslin wrote:
A month or so ago, there was considerable scurry to locate a site
that housed the complete archive. Such was found and published,
and I took note and put the URL away for safekeeping. Too safe,
regrettably, as I can not now find it.
Hopefully, one of you is better organized and can 'refresh' my bad
memory. Thanks!!!
- don
13 May
13 May
8:56 p.m.
Vintage Computer Festival wrote:
On Thu, 13 May 2004, der Mouse wrote:
And what on Earth would one do with rubber nails?
Keep a rubber tree from bouncing, of course! :)
Doc
metric
crescent wrench
rubber nails
spotted paint
(all of which actually exist)
I just gotta ask, then, what's metric about a metric crescent wrench?
Maximum jaw gape? Overall length?
14 May
14 May
9:11 a.m.
> > metric crescent wrench
> > rubber nails
> > spotted paint
> > (all of which actually exist)
> I just gotta ask, then, what's metric about a metric crescent wrench?
> Maximum jaw gape? Overall length?
length. Crescent wrenches (both generic and (R)) are normally
identified by length. 6" and 8" crescent wrenches are commonplace;
150mmm and 200mm ones are less common.
And what on Earth would one do with rubber nails?
nail up rubber weatherstripping
("rubber" is referring to their use, not their composition)
15 May
15 May
7:39 a.m.
Fred Cisin wrote:
The thread pitch and diameter of the worm drive is different. That
actually matters, since the more expensive adjustables can be rebuilt.
You also can't use a metric crescent on SAE nuts.
*runs away*
Doc
>>metric
crescent wrench
>>rubber nails
>>spotted paint
>>(all of which actually exist)
>
>I just gotta ask, then, what's metric about a metric crescent wrench?
>Maximum jaw gape? Overall length?
length. Crescent wrenches (both generic and (R)) are normally
identified by length. 6" and 8" crescent wrenches are commonplace;
150mmm and 200mm ones are less common. 
9:54 a.m.
-----Original Message-----
From: cctalk-bounces(a)classiccmp.org
[mailto:cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of David V. Corbin
Sent: 15 May 2004 19:33
To: 'General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts'
Subject: RE: A little help from my friends...
Ah yes, the LART. Fortunately I haven't had need for one in my new job yet,
but then again I've only been there for 2 weeks :)
Cheers
w
>> You also can't use a metric
crescent on SAE nuts.
But you can use it on some of the "nuts" on this list...
A quick strick to the top of the head does wonders <g>
2:29 p.m.
The thread pitch and diameter of the worm drive is
different. That
actually matters, since the more expensive adjustables can be rebuilt.
You mean there are some you can't get parts for. I guess those are the
sort of tools I wouldn't consider owning.
You also can't use a metric crescent on SAE nuts.
One of my adjustables (yes, I do admit to owning one :-)) has a scale
along the boddy with a line on the moving jaw. This gives the jaw
opening, of course. I've only ever seen them calibrated in mm (which
makes it a 'metric adjustable spanner', I guess...)
-tony
3:19 p.m.
Tony Duell wrote:
Exactly.
I had a '69 Triumph T100C - single-carb 500cc twin - that was SAE on
body parts, metric on engine peripherals and drive-train, and the engine
itself was all Whitworth. I spent more on tools than I did on parts
with that bike.
I used my 4" Snap-On crscent a lot, too. :\
Doc
The thread
pitch and diameter of the worm drive is different. That
actually matters, since the more expensive adjustables can be rebuilt.
You mean there are some you can't get parts for. I guess those are the
sort of tools I wouldn't consider owning. You also
can't use a metric crescent on SAE nuts.
One of my adjustables (yes, I do admit to owning one :-)) has a scale
along the boddy with a line on the moving jaw. This gives the jaw
opening, of course. I've only ever seen them calibrated in mm (which
makes it a 'metric adjustable spanner', I guess...)
4:07 p.m.
I had a '69 Triumph T100C - single-carb 500cc
twin - that was SAE on
body parts, metric on engine peripherals and drive-train, and the engine
itself was all Whitworth. I spent more on tools than I did on parts
with that bike.
My Myford Super 7 Lathe (about 7 years old) has a seemingly random mix of
Whitworth (BSW), BA, and metric screws. Mind you, you do get a toolkit
(spanners, allen keys, oil gun, C-spanner for the headstock bearings,
etc) with it, so it's not so bad....
-tony
6:04 p.m.
Tony Duell wrote:
Sometimes you just have to wonder "What were they *thinking*?"
Doc
I had a
'69 Triumph T100C - single-carb 500cc twin - that was SAE on
body parts, metric on engine peripherals and drive-train, and the engine
itself was all Whitworth. I spent more on tools than I did on parts
with that bike.
My Myford Super 7 Lathe (about 7 years old) has a seemingly random mix of
Whitworth (BSW), BA, and metric screws. Mind you, you do get a toolkit
(spanners, allen keys, oil gun, C-spanner for the headstock bearings,
etc) with it, so it's not so bad....
16 May
16 May
11:20 a.m.
Tony Duell wrote:
My Myford
Super 7 Lathe (about 7 years old) has a seemingly random mix of
Whitworth (BSW), BA, and metric screws. Mind you, you do get a toolkit
(spanners, allen keys, oil gun, C-spanner for the headstock bearings,
etc) with it, so it's not so bad....
Sometimes you just have to wonder "What were they *thinking*?"
12:59 p.m.
Tony Duell wrote:
There is, I believe, a reason for it. Originally (the design is something
like 50 years old), it was all Whitworth for the large size bolts and BA
for the small stuff. That was, of course, typical for British engineering
at that them.
More recently they found that Whitworth allen-head screws were _much_
more expensive than the equivalent metric ones. So they went over to
metric for things like the bolts holding the headstock to the bed, but
kept Whitworth for the bolts used in the T-slots of the cross-slide, for
the spindle thread, etc. THat was so all accessories fitted all machines.
After all, if you buy a lathe, you expect to be able to get bits to fit
it in 10 or 20 years time (the computer industry could learn a lot from
this....)
So *that's* what they were thinkin'! :)
Thanks, Tony!
However, since Triumph was firmly in the "nothing from Model A Year X
fits any other year or model" group, I don't think the reasoning carries
across. "Too cheap to retool all at once" comes to mind.
Doc
14 May
14 May
2:43 p.m.
And what on Earth would one do with rubber nails?
The speedometer cable on my father's Citroen is held into the
transmission by a rubber pin with a point on one end and a flattened head
on the other. I called it the 'rubber nail' when I removed it in order to
drop ou the transmission to change the clutch about 6 months ago.
-tony
15 May
15 May
1:23 p.m.
And what on Earth would one do with rubber nails?
-- They're for when you've got Chicken Pox and you're not supposed to
scratch. :>)
Geoff.
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16 May
16 May
9:16 a.m.
On Sat, 15 May 2004, Geoffrey Thomas wrote:
"rubber nails" refers to the use, not the composition!
Are "drywall nails" made of drywall??
Are "wood screws" made of wood??
"rubber nails" are used for nailing rubber weatherstripping.
And what on
Earth would one do with rubber nails?
-- They're for when you've got Chicken Pox and you're not supposed to
scratch. :>) 
14 May
14 May
3:49 a.m.
At 17:00 13/05/2004 -0700, you wrote:
On Thu, 13 May 2004, Ethan Dicks wrote:
I can't believe that these ones have been missed:
A new bubble for the spirit level
A long weight
A bucket of steam
A glass hammer
A short stand
--
Cheers, Ade.
Be where it's at, B-Racing!
http://b-racing.com
That reminded me of all sorts of artifacts that
"noobs" are sent on
fools' errands for...
Muffler Bearings
Flight Line
Tape/Film/Lumber Stretcher
Prop Wash
... and there's more than I can't remember right now.
metric crescent wrench
rubber nails
spotted paint
(all of which actually exist)
5:07 a.m.
I can't believe that these ones have been missed:
A new bubble for the spirit level
A long weight
A bucket of steam
A glass hammer
A short stand
some sparks for the grinder
tartan paint
left-handed hammer/screwdriver
--
adrian/witchy
Binary Dinosaurs owner/curator
www.binarydinosaurs.co.uk - the UKs biggest home computer collection?
4:59 a.m.
And thusly Witchy spake:
> I can't believe that these ones have been missed:
>
> A new bubble for the spirit level
> A long weight
> A bucket of steam
Hey... this could be a bucket of magic smoke to put in the chips!
Cheers,
Bryan
A glass
hammer
A short stand
some sparks for the grinder
tartan paint
left-handed hammer/screwdriver 
5:24 a.m.
On Fri, 2004-05-14 at 08:49, Adrian Vickers wrote:
I can't believe that these ones have been missed:
A new bubble for the spirit level
A long weight
A bucket of steam
A glass hammer
A short stand
On the submarine we used to send the nubies for sound-powered telephone
batteries, 50 feet of waterline, relative bearing grease, and a
machinist's punch. Just ask a machinist for a punch some time and see
what happens. :-D
11:13 a.m.
Christopher McNabb wrote:
On Fri, 2004-05-14 at 08:49, Adrian Vickers wrote:
In the oilfield in West Texas, we'd send the "worm" - new hire or
trainee - to fill up the water table. That's the coolant trough for the
line sheaves at the top of the derrick. It requires carrying a 5-gallon
bucket of water up a 95-foot ladder (40L bucket, ~30M ladder, for you
guys with sane standards) and of course it doesn't exist.
When *I* was a new hand and they gave me that bucket, I laughed at
them and told them I helped build that derrick, and there wasn't any
damn water table on the blueprints. They then told me I was right, and
since I was such a smart guy, I could go spent 8 hours in thigh-deep
mud, trimming 2-3/8" (what, 7cm?) hardened bolts with a hacksaw.
*Those* did exist. :\
The next day, they told me about the 6" pneumatic cutoff wheel they
had hidden from me.
I can't believe that these ones have been
missed:
A new bubble for the spirit level
A long weight
A bucket of steam
A glass hammer
A short stand
On the submarine we used to send the nubies for sound-powered telephone
batteries, 50 feet of waterline, relative bearing grease, and a
machinist's punch. Just ask a machinist for a punch some time and see
what happens. :-D 
15 May
15 May
12:01 p.m.
On 14 May 2004 10:24:22 -0400
Christopher McNabb <cmcnabb(a)4mcnabb.net> wrote:
On Fri, 2004-05-14 at 08:49, Adrian Vickers wrote:
Back in the days when I would actually sit in a chatroom, I used to
recommend people who were asking about issues with their computer if
they'd had a mechanic install grease fittings on their hard drive yet.
Other people watching would get all alarmed and warn the newbie that I
was BSing them. Spoilsports.
That's what chat rooms are for, isn't it?
I can't believe that these ones have been missed:
A new bubble for the spirit level
A long weight
A bucket of steam
A glass hammer
A short stand
On the submarine we used to send the nubies for sound-powered
telephone batteries, 50 feet of waterline, relative bearing grease,
and a machinist's punch. Just ask a machinist for a punch some time
and see what happens. :-D
1:43 p.m.
-----Original Message-----
From: cctalk-bounces(a)classiccmp.org
[mailto:cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Scott Stevens
Sent: 15 May 2004 22:02
To: cmcnabb(a)4mcnabb.net; General Discussion: On-Topic and
Off-Topic Posts
Subject: Re: A little help from my friends...
Other people watching would get all alarmed and warn the
newbie that I was BSing them. Spoilsports.
That's what chat rooms are for, isn't it?
Yup, as well as telling 'em they need an upgrade to the fluffle valve or a
replacement flux capacitor or gigglepin resistor. Now as for a
widget.....they really existed didn't they......inasmuch as a 'they don't
exist' type of way.....it's like the UK 'doofer' as in 'that'll do
fer that'
and the pretty much global 'gofer'
Wasn't the widget invented as a generic term in corporate presentations?
Cheers
w
14 May
14 May
2:37 a.m.
And thusly Ethan Dicks spake:
On Thu, May 13, 2004 at 11:20:54AM -0400, Bryan Pope wrote:
Skyhooks!
Cheers,
Bryan Pope
After Sellam's post I was inspired: ;)
Canned Sunshine
Unobtanium ;)
Round Tuits
That reminded me of all sorts of artifacts that "noobs" are sent on
fools' errands for...
Muffler Bearings
Flight Line
Tape/Film/Lumber Stretcher
Prop Wash
... and there's more than I can't remember right now.
-ethan 
3:10 a.m.
Bryan,
For some nice Sky Hooks look:
http://www.1000aircraftphotos.com/PRPhotos/CessnaCH-1.htm (Not a bad deal
for under $80K)
Or
http://www.skyhook.biz/index.html (Cheaper and possibly more relaxing.
<grin>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: cctalk-bounces(a)classiccmp.org
>> [mailto:cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Bryan Pope
>> Sent: Friday, May 14, 2004 7:37 AM
>> To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org
>> Subject: Re: A little help from my friends...
>>
>> And thusly Ethan Dicks spake:
>> >
>> > On Thu, May 13, 2004 at 11:20:54AM -0400, Bryan Pope wrote:
>> > > After Sellam's post I was inspired: ;)
>> > >
>> > > Canned Sunshine
>> > > Unobtanium ;)
>> > > Round Tuits
>> >
>> > That reminded me of all sorts of artifacts that "noobs"
>> are sent on
>> > fools' errands for...
>> >
>> > Muffler Bearings
>> > Flight Line
>> > Tape/Film/Lumber Stretcher
>> > Prop Wash
>> >
>> > ... and there's more than I can't remember right now.
>> >
>> > -ethan
>>
>> Skyhooks!
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Bryan Pope
3:27 a.m.
$80K in 1960's money is how much today?
----- Original Message -----
From: "David V. Corbin" <dvcorbin(a)optonline.net>
To: "'General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts'"
<cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Friday, May 14, 2004 8:10 AM
Subject: RE: A little help from my friends...
Bryan,
For some nice Sky Hooks look:
http://www.1000aircraftphotos.com/PRPhotos/CessnaCH-1.htm (Not a bad deal
for under $80K)
Or
http://www.skyhook.biz/index.html (Cheaper and possibly more relaxing.
<grin>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: cctalk-bounces(a)classiccmp.org
>> [mailto:cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Bryan Pope
>> Sent: Friday, May 14, 2004 7:37 AM
>> To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org
>> Subject: Re: A little help from my friends...
>>
>> And thusly Ethan Dicks spake:
>> >
>> > On Thu, May 13, 2004 at 11:20:54AM -0400, Bryan Pope wrote:
>> > > After Sellam's post I was inspired: ;)
>> > >
>> > > Canned Sunshine
>> > > Unobtanium ;)
>> > > Round Tuits
>> >
>> > That reminded me of all sorts of artifacts that "noobs"
>> are sent on
>> > fools' errands for...
>> >
>> > Muffler Bearings
>> > Flight Line
>> > Tape/Film/Lumber Stretcher
>> > Prop Wash
>> >
>> > ... and there's more than I can't remember right now.
>> >
>> > -ethan
>>
>> Skyhooks!
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Bryan Pope
3:40 a.m.
Money is relative, of course. But compare to the price of a PDP-8 (with
peripherials)....
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: cctalk-bounces(a)classiccmp.org
>> [mailto:cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Teo Zenios
>> Sent: Friday, May 14, 2004 8:27 AM
>> To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
>> Subject: Re: A little help from my friends...
>>
>> $80K in 1960's money is how much today?
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "David V. Corbin" <dvcorbin(a)optonline.net>
>> To: "'General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts'"
>> <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
>> Sent: Friday, May 14, 2004 8:10 AM
>> Subject: RE: A little help from my friends...
>>
>>
>> > Bryan,
>> >
>> > For some nice Sky Hooks look:
>> >
>> > http://www.1000aircraftphotos.com/PRPhotos/CessnaCH-1.htm
>> (Not a bad deal
>> > for under $80K)
>> >
>> > Or
>> >
>> > http://www.skyhook.biz/index.html (Cheaper and possibly
>> more relaxing.
>> >
>> > <grin>
>> >
>> > >>> -----Original Message-----
>> > >>> From: cctalk-bounces(a)classiccmp.org
>> > >>> [mailto:cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Bryan Pope
>> > >>> Sent: Friday, May 14, 2004 7:37 AM
>> > >>> To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org
>> > >>> Subject: Re: A little help from my friends...
>> > >>>
>> > >>> And thusly Ethan Dicks spake:
>> > >>> >
>> > >>> > On Thu, May 13, 2004 at 11:20:54AM -0400, Bryan Pope
wrote:
>> > >>> > > After Sellam's post I was inspired: ;)
>> > >>> > >
>> > >>> > > Canned Sunshine
>> > >>> > > Unobtanium ;)
>> > >>> > > Round Tuits
>> > >>> >
>> > >>> > That reminded me of all sorts of artifacts that
"noobs"
>> > >>> are sent on
>> > >>> > fools' errands for...
>> > >>> >
>> > >>> > Muffler Bearings
>> > >>> > Flight Line
>> > >>> > Tape/Film/Lumber Stretcher
>> > >>> > Prop Wash
>> > >>> >
>> > >>> > ... and there's more than I can't remember right
now.
>> > >>> >
>> > >>> > -ethan
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Skyhooks!
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Cheers,
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Bryan Pope
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
3:33 a.m.
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Bryan,
For some nice Sky Hooks look:
http://www.1000aircraftphotos.com/PRPhotos/CessnaCH-1.htm (Not a bad
deal for under $80K)
Or
http://www.skyhook.biz/index.html (Cheaper and possibly more relaxing.
When I hear skyhook I think of the climbing tool ~13.00. There was a
group that was looking into mining asteroids that was looking at similar
ideas. I suggested to them that they look at burdock, since a skyhook
might be difficult to place by remote control.
- --
Collector of vintage computers
http://www.ncf.ca/~ba600
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4:15 a.m.
Bryan Pope wrote:
And thusly Ethan Dicks spake:
And don't forget the all important left handed smoke shifters, for when
you go out camping...
--
--- Dave Woyciesjes
--- ICQ# 905818
On Thu, May 13, 2004 at 11:20:54AM -0400, Bryan
Pope wrote:
That reminded me of all sorts of artifacts that "noobs" are sent on
fools' errands for...
Muffler Bearings
Flight Line
Tape/Film/Lumber Stretcher
Prop Wash
... and there's more than I can't remember right now.
-ethan
Skyhooks!
Cheers,
Bryan Pope
12:29 p.m.
On Fri, May 14, 2004 at 07:37:26AM -0400, Bryan Pope wrote:
And thusly Ethan Dicks spake:
Those do (or least did) exist and were used:
http://www.cia.gov/csi/studies/95unclass/Leary.html
Regards,
Alex.
--
"Opportunity is missed by most people because it is dressed in overalls and
looks like work." -- Thomas A. Edison
On Thu, May 13, 2004 at 11:20:54AM -0400, Bryan Pope wrote:
Skyhooks! After Sellam's post I was inspired: ;)
Canned Sunshine
Unobtanium ;)
Round Tuits
That reminded me of all sorts of artifacts that "noobs" are sent on
fools' errands for...
Muffler Bearings
Flight Line
Tape/Film/Lumber Stretcher
Prop Wash
... and there's more than I can't remember right now.
-ethan
1:39 p.m.
-----Original Message-----
From: cctalk-bounces(a)classiccmp.org
[mailto:cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Alexander
Schreiber
Sent: 14 May 2004 22:30
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Subject: Re: A little help from my friends...
True, but the skyhooks we're talking about are the ones tha are used to just
suspend things from mid-air, as in "how the hell are we going to make that
stay there?" "use a skyhook!" While the object is suspended in mid-air on
its skyhook you're free to then get some sparks for the grinder or a bucket
of blue steam :o)
Cheers
w
Skyhooks!
Those do (or least did) exist and were used:
http://www.cia.gov/csi/studies/95unclass/Leary.html 
3:18 p.m.
On Friday, May 14, 2004, at 04:37 US/Pacific, Bryan Pope wrote:
And thusly Ethan Dicks spake:
Relative Bearing Grease. (Comes from Naval Stores.)
And I once got sent to the tool crib for a "Tap Extractor". Was sure I
was on a fool's errand. Nope. There is such a creature.
<http://www.waltontools.com/products/remvzinc.htm>
Jim
On Thu, May 13, 2004 at 11:20:54AM -0400, Bryan Pope wrote:
Skyhooks! After Sellam's post I was inspired: ;)
Canned Sunshine
Unobtanium ;)
Round Tuits
That reminded me of all sorts of artifacts that "noobs" are sent on
fools' errands for...
Muffler Bearings
Flight Line
Tape/Film/Lumber Stretcher
Prop Wash
... and there's more than I can't remember right now.
-ethan 
4:14 p.m.
On Fri, 14 May 2004 17:18:31 -0700, Jim Arnott <jrasite(a)eoni.com> wrote:
Relative Bearing Grease. (Comes from Naval Stores.)
And I once got sent to the tool crib for a "Tap Extractor". Was sure I
was on a fool's errand. Nope. There is such a creature.
<http://www.waltontools.com/products/remvzinc.htm>
Jim
My Favorite ones were the long weight, and the reproduction tool.
Unfortunately I can't remember too many of the other stupid tools I
had been sent to get..
Benjamin
13 May
13 May
6:59 a.m.
Ron Hudson wrote:
Ok, perhaps this is on-topic because I am writing a program for (at
first) an apple IIC+
I need names for 50 kinds of cargo for a SPACE TRADER game...
stuff like "Military Electronics", "Computer Software" ,
"Industrial Gems"
"Metal Ore","Dangerous Plants" (what? man eating?)
My imagination gave out after the first 8-10 ...
Mine stops at Orion Slave Girls. Need you name all the cargo, since you
need to name only the cargo classes? Industrial gems could have several
types. 1) common gems. 2) Rare gems 3) Exotic gems 4) black market 5)
Special.
Ben.
8:43 a.m.
I need names for 50 kinds of cargo for a SPACE TRADER
game...
My imagination gave out after the first 8-10 ...
Depending on things such as time-in-transit and environment provided by
the ships, some of these may not work, but here are some ideas. Of
course, you can also invent things; much sf includes invented foods,
animals, devices, etc, that you can steal names from.
Various foods (wheat, millet, barley, apples, onions, ...)
Various metals (gold, tin, lead, iron, copper, ...)
Other materials (wood, glass, granite, slate, paper, ...)
Jewelry (bracelets, necklaces, rings, ...)
Books (textbooks, sf, pr0n, mystery, biography, ...)
Power tools (drill press, lathe, welder, grinder, riveter, (handheld)
power drill, (handheld) power saw, ...)
Hand tools (chisels, hammers, screwdrivers, pliers, boltcutters, taps,
dies, wrenches, saws, files, ...)
Paint (subclassify by type (eg, latex, enamel) and colour)
Films (any movie listing will give you lots of subcategories here)
House furnishings (carpets, Venetian blinds, chairs, tables, wallpaper,
linoleum, table lamps, ...)
Office furnishings (chairs, filing cabinets, desks, ...)
Vehicles (cars, bicycles, roller skates, rocket sleds, hovercraft, ...)
Animals (in particular, eels for the hovercraft :)
Animal products (pelts/teeth/horns/etc of various animals, treated
products like things made of leather or ivory)
Liquids (water, heavy water, various oils - any chemistry reference
will have lots of liquids)
Other chemicals (I liked the hydrogen hydroxide suggestion someone
made; again, any chemistry reference has lots of names)
Electronics (consumer, industrial, computer - can subclassify in more
detail if you want)
Mail (perhaps subclassify by priority?)
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9:22 a.m.
On May 13, 2004, at 10:43 AM, der Mouse wrote:
Hmm perhaps I should add a "perisbable" value (weeks until spoiled)
I need names
for 50 kinds of cargo for a SPACE TRADER game...
My imagination gave out after the first 8-10 ...
Depending on things such as time-in-transit and environment provided by
the ships, some of these may not work, but here are some ideas. Of
course, you can also invent things; much sf includes invented foods,
animals, devices, etc, that you can steal names from.
Various foods (wheat, millet, barley, apples, onions, ...) Mail (perhaps subclassify by priority?)
Mail... interesting...
My game also has passengers, if you have one or more passenger modules
I would probably use the larger catagory.. "foodstuffs" for example
Planets ban random items too, and you stand a small chance of being
"inspected" - if so your banned items will be confiscated, you may
be allowed to pay a "fine" instead though
Or pehaps you may be offered "Inspection Insurance" on landing?
9:40 a.m.
On Thu, 13 May 2004, Ron Hudson wrote:
Planets ban random items too, and you stand a small
chance of being
"inspected" - if so your banned items will be confiscated, you may
be allowed to pay a "fine" instead though
In the games I've played you lose your cargo AND get fined.
Or pehaps you may be offered "Inspection
Insurance" on landing?
You mean a bribe? :)
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11:24 a.m.
On May 13, 2004, at 11:40 AM, Vintage Computer Festival wrote:
On Thu, 13 May 2004, Ron Hudson wrote:
Bribe is such and ugly word...
yup a bribe.
Planets ban random items too, and you stand a
small chance of being
"inspected" - if so your banned items will be confiscated, you may
be allowed to pay a "fine" instead though
In the games I've played you lose your cargo AND get fined.
Or pehaps you may be offered "Inspection
Insurance" on landing?
You mean a bribe? :)
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12:50 p.m.
On Thu, 13 May 2004, Ron Hudson wrote:
Bribe is such and ugly word...
yup a bribe.
Use "baksheesh" instead then.
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3:11 p.m.
On Thu, 13 May 2004, Vintage Computer Festival wrote:
On Thu, 13 May 2004, Ron Hudson wrote:
Or "mordida" ?
- don
Bribe is such and ugly word...
yup a bribe.
Use "baksheesh" instead then.
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9:38 a.m.
On Thu, 13 May 2004, der Mouse wrote:
How about giving the cargo a vintage computer theme?
Microprocessors
RAM
EPROMs
Diskettes
9-track tapes
Bubble Memory Modules
Disc packs
Punch cards
Paper tape rolls
Front panel switches
etc.
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I need names
for 50 kinds of cargo for a SPACE TRADER game...
My imagination gave out after the first 8-10 ...
Depending on things such as time-in-transit and environment provided by
the ships, some of these may not work, but here are some ideas. Of
course, you can also invent things; much sf includes invented foods,
animals, devices, etc, that you can steal names from.
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