27 Apr
2001
27 Apr
'01
11:19 p.m.
I just got back from out of state with another DEC haul. I filled my Astro van
to the roof with more docs software and misc before Mr. Landfill took them.
Whew! 42 hours with no sleep. I'm getting too old for this.
Anyway, I'm not even sure whats there yet but I did see a few versions of
Ultrix and VMS on many different media. It looks like it is mostly VAX stuff
and I will post it here when I have it inventoried.
A few things I did see while loading...
64Mb for the VAX 8700(box was labled as such)
Ultrix ver 1.0 on Magtape
Many RX50's with Ultrix
Lots of original sales flyers for Vax's
Brand new spare boards for the 750
New replacement RK05 heads
Lots of DECstations
A nice unexpected bonus was finding a PDP8a in the pile and in it was a RL8
controller.
to bed....
Brian.
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www.webwirz.com - Old Computer Repository
Preoccupation is my main occupation.....
28 Apr
28 Apr
1:55 a.m.
--- Brian Roth <broth(a)heathers.stdio.com> wrote:
I just got back from out of state with another DEC
haul.
Woof!
A few things I did see while loading...
Brand new spare boards for the 750
Do you have the 750 to go with it, or are you planning on moving
these out? I have two 750s in good repair, but they are not
fully decked out.
New replacement RK05 heads
Are any of these RK05F heads? Are any heads available? I'm about
to come into an RK8E after 15+ years of (slowly) looking, and I
have one RK05F 16-sector pack that I've wondered what's on it since
1984.
A nice unexpected bonus was finding a PDP8a in the
pile and in it was a RL8
controller.
Nice bonus. I got my first RL8A when I was in college. Paid real money
for it because I could get an RL01 drive and RL8A for less than an RK8E
and some 16-sector packs (I had the RK05 drive already, but RL01 packs
were virtually free then).
-ethan
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2:09 p.m.
Do you have the 750 to go with it, or are you planning
on moving
these out? I have two 750s in good repair, but they are not
fully decked out.
Yup! All operational too.
New replacement RK05 heads
Are any of these RK05F heads? Are any heads available? I'm about
to come into an RK8E after 15+ years of (slowly) looking, and I
have one RK05F 16-sector pack that I've wondered what's on it since
1984. A nice
unexpected bonus was finding a PDP8a in the pile and in it was a RL8
controller.
Nice bonus. I got my first RL8A when I was in college. Paid real money
for it because I could get an RL01 drive and RL8A for less than an RK8E
and some 16-sector packs (I had the RK05 drive already, but RL01 packs
were virtually free then).
-ethan
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Preoccupation is my main occupation.....
29 Apr
29 Apr
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28 Apr
28 Apr
9:56 a.m.
New subject: Stellation Two Q-68 for Apple II
I found a neat card for the Apple II I have been looking for, for a long
time, a Stellation Two Q-68 with the 68008. Now the hunt for software....
10:02 a.m.
New subject: Stellation Two Q-68 for Apple II
Great find! I've been looking for their 6809 card for the Apple for
years. Keep us posted on how it turns out as I'd like to hear if you
get it running and all. Good luck with the software search.
On 28 Apr 2001, at 14:56, Mike Ford wrote:
I found a neat card for the Apple II I have been
looking for, for a
long time, a Stellation Two Q-68 with the 68008. Now the hunt for
software....
-----
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"When the mind is free of any thought or judgement,
then and only then can we know things as they are."
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http://www.trailingedge.com
29 Apr
29 Apr
11:07 a.m.
42 hours of no sleep will do ANYONE in, no matter what their age is!
You're crazy!
Edwin
At 07:19 AM 4/28/2001 -0400, you wrote:
I just got back from out of state with another DEC
haul. I filled my Astro
van
to the roof with more docs software and misc before Mr.
Landfill took them.
Whew! 42 hours with no sleep. I'm getting too old for this.
Brian.
11:48 a.m.
Maybe delerious?
What must have been hilarious to watch was the rally I had with a guy the
last two hours of the trip. I was doggin and just wanted to get home ASAP when
this guy in a new Jetta passed me going at a pretty good clip.
AH HA! my ticket home. I started shadowing him and I think he took that as a
challenge as he tried to get away from me.
Imagine some dork with bloodshot eyes in an old Astro van heaped to the dome
light with old computer crap, hauling ass down the interstate trying to keep up
with a college kid in a sports car.
I think my wife wants to put me on medicine.
Brian.
On Sun, 29 Apr 2001, you wrote: > >> Whew! 42
hours with no sleep. I'm getting too old for this. > > > 42 hours of no
sleep
will do ANYONE in, no matter what their age is! > > You're crazy!
The Thing that got me is that he had time to make
the posting before going to sleep. Priorities?
John A.
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www.webwirz.com - Old Computer Repository
Preoccupation is my main occupation.....
2:35 p.m.
Since when is a Jetta a sports car? 8-)
Peace... Sridhar, proud owner of a BMW 530i, modified.
On Sun, 29 Apr 2001, Brian Roth wrote:
Maybe delerious?
What must have been hilarious to watch was the rally I had with a guy the
last two hours of the trip. I was doggin and just wanted to get home ASAP when
this guy in a new Jetta passed me going at a pretty good clip.
AH HA! my ticket home. I started shadowing him and I think he took that as a
challenge as he tried to get away from me.
Imagine some dork with bloodshot eyes in an old Astro van heaped to the dome
light with old computer crap, hauling ass down the interstate trying to keep up
with a college kid in a sports car.
I think my wife wants to put me on medicine.
Brian.
On Sun, 29 Apr 2001, you wrote: > >> Whew! 42
hours with no sleep. I'm getting too old for this. > > > 42 hours of no
sleep
will do ANYONE in, no matter what their age is! > > You're crazy!
The Thing that got me is that he had time to make
the posting before going to sleep. Priorities?
John A.
--
Brian Roth - System Administrator
www.webwirz.com - Old Computer Repository
Preoccupation is my main occupation.....
1:59 p.m.
Compared to an Astro van a VW Bug is a sports car....
BTW lowered, turbo'ed 300E in the garage...
On Sun, 29 Apr 2001, you wrote:
Since when is a Jetta a sports car? 8-)
Peace... Sridhar, proud owner of a BMW 530i, modified.
On Sun, 29 Apr 2001, Brian Roth wrote:
> Maybe delerious?
>
Brian Roth - System Administrator
www.webwirz.com - Old Computer Repository
Preoccupation is my main occupation.....
4 p.m.
*whoot* Nice wheels.
Peace... Sridhar
On Sun, 29 Apr 2001, Brian Roth wrote:
Compared to an Astro van a VW Bug is a sports car....
BTW lowered, turbo'ed 300E in the garage...
On Sun, 29 Apr 2001, you wrote:
Since when is a Jetta a sports car? 8-)
Peace... Sridhar, proud owner of a BMW 530i, modified.
On Sun, 29 Apr 2001, Brian Roth wrote:
> Maybe delerious?
>
Brian Roth - System Administrator
www.webwirz.com - Old Computer Repository
Preoccupation is my main occupation.....
30 Apr
30 Apr
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12:03 p.m.
New subject: Anyone read....
I rambled into:
"IBM and the Holocaust: The Strategic Alliance between Nazi Germany and
America's Most Powerful Corporation" by Edwin Black, Crown
at Books-a-Billion but didn't have the $24 bucks to walk away with it...
Amazon.com has an excerpt from it. Anyone read it?
- Mike: dogas(a)bellsouth.net
2:32 p.m.
New subject: Anyone read....
On Mon, 30 Apr 2001, Mike wrote:
I rambled into:
"IBM and the Holocaust: The Strategic Alliance between Nazi Germany and
America's Most Powerful Corporation" by Edwin Black, Crown
Wouldn't General Motors have been America's most powerful corporation at
the time?
at Books-a-Billion but didn't have the $24 bucks
to walk away with it...
Amazon.com has an excerpt from it. Anyone read it?
Not yet, but I plan on reading it once I get a copy.
-brian.
1 May
1 May
4:14 a.m.
New subject: Anyone read....
Straying off topic... Actually, you could argue that du Pont was the most
powerful corporation in the US in the 40's and 50's. They owned 25% of GM
(which they later had to sell in an antitrust case) and was reputed to have
held enormous influence on the GM board of directors.
-- Tony
At 09:32 PM 4/30/2001 -0500, you wrote:
On Mon, 30 Apr 2001, Mike wrote:
I rambled into:
"IBM and the Holocaust: The Strategic Alliance between Nazi Germany and
America's Most Powerful Corporation" by Edwin Black, Crown
Wouldn't General Motors have been America's most powerful corporation at
the time?
at Books-a-Billion but didn't have the $24
bucks to walk away with it...
Amazon.com has an excerpt from it. Anyone read it?
Not yet, but I plan on reading it once I get a copy.
-brian. 
30 Apr
30 Apr
4:07 p.m.
New subject: Anyone read....
Quoting Mike <dogas(a)bellsouth.net>et>:
"IBM and the Holocaust: The Strategic Alliance
between Nazi
Germany and America's Most Powerful Corporation" by Edwin Black,
Crown
I saw it at the local Hastings, but also didn't have the money to
pick it up. I will read it this summer, though. I suspect it will
try to shock me by detailing how IBM had sold technology of some
kind to Germany before US involvement in World War II. While such
a practice seems shocking today, it probably wasn't such a big deal
back then. Correct me if my history is wrong, but it seems to me
that Germany would have in fact been the best potential customer,
being one country that made decent progress towards getting out of
the depression that was widespread in Europe at the time. Also,
this was before we all figured out that Naziism was a Bad Thing,
right?
Can anyone tell us what the book says?
--
Jeffrey S. Sharp
jss(a)ou.edu
4:43 p.m.
New subject: Anyone read....
Quoting Mike <dogas(a)bellsouth.net>et>:
> "IBM and the Holocaust: The Strategic Alliance
between Nazi
> Germany and America's Most Powerful
Corporation"
by Edwin Black,
Crown
I saw it at the local Hastings, but also didn't have pick it up. I will read it this summer, though. I
suspect it will
try to shock me by detailing how IBM had sold
technology of some
kind to Germany before US involvement in World War
II. While such
a practice seems shocking today, it probably
wasn't
such a big deal
back then. Correct me if my history is wrong, but it
seems to me
that Germany would have in fact been the best
potential customer,
being one country that made decent progress towards
getting out of
the depression that was widespread in Europe at the
time. Also,
this was before we all figured out that Naziism was a
Bad Thing,
right?
Can anyone tell us what the book says?
--
Jeffrey S. Sharp
jss(a)ou.edu
There's a number of reviews at the Amazon site.
Reading them will give you a pretty good idea of what
it's about.
9:35 p.m.
New subject: Anyone read....
I found it at my local library. It wasn't under the technology section though.
It was listed with other holocoust books. Haven't read it and probably will not.
Brian.
There's a number of reviews at the
Amazon
site. > Reading them will give you a pretty good idea of what
it's about.
--
Brian Roth - System Administrator
www.webwirz.com - Old Computer Repository
Preoccupation is my main occupation.....
5:25 p.m.
New subject: What ever happened to Hal Hardenbergh?
I've been snooping around a bit looking at various people active with the
Apple II and 68000 accelerators for it, and it got me to wondering whatever
happened to Hal Hardenbergh?
Casual searching turns up no usenet posting later than 1997, and one Hal
Hardenbergh is listed in the white pages of Alabama.
It occurs to me that with as much effort we put into saving old computers,
we also need to keep on top of what happens to all of the computer pioneers.
8 p.m.
New subject: Anyone read....
HI,
"Jeffrey S. Sharp" <jss(a)ou.edu> said:
Quoting Mike <dogas(a)bellsouth.net>et>:
Right...a great many American, British and French businesses dealt with
Nazi Germany right up until the war started. In fact some British firms
had to bring their staff home through the advancing German army!
(Before the war proper started, I must add...) American firms dealt
with Germany (quite legititamtely, being a neutral country) up until
Pearl Harbor.
--
Cheers,
Stan Barr stanb(a)dial.pipex.com
The future was never like this!
"IBM and the Holocaust: The Strategic
Alliance between Nazi
Germany and America's Most Powerful Corporation" by Edwin Black,
Crown
I saw it at the local Hastings, but also didn't have the money to
pick it up. I will read it this summer, though. I suspect it will
try to shock me by detailing how IBM had sold technology of some
kind to Germany before US involvement in World War II. While such
a practice seems shocking today, it probably wasn't such a big deal
back then. Correct me if my history is wrong, but it seems to me
that Germany would have in fact been the best potential customer,
being one country that made decent progress towards getting out of
the depression that was widespread in Europe at the time. Also,
this was before we all figured out that Naziism was a Bad Thing,
right?
8:14 p.m.
New subject: Anyone read....
I skimmed the book but though it a bit pricey. I think I'll wait for it
to be remaindered.
Apparently the thrust of the book is that a large quanitity of card
sorting and accounting machines were purchased from IBM's German
subsidiary (Dehomag?) and directly. The equipment was used initially for
census purposes, and this data was used as a basis for tracking Jewish
families and interests.
On Mon, 30 Apr 2001, Jeffrey S. Sharp wrote:
Quoting Mike <dogas(a)bellsouth.net>et>:
M. K. Peirce
Rhode Island Computer Museum, Inc.
Shady Lea, Rhode Island
"Casta est quam nemo rogavit."
- Ovid
"IBM and the Holocaust: The Strategic
Alliance between Nazi
Germany and America's Most Powerful Corporation" by Edwin Black,
Crown
I saw it at the local Hastings, but also didn't have the money to
pick it up. I will read it this summer, though. I suspect it will
try to shock me by detailing how IBM had sold technology of some
kind to Germany before US involvement in World War II. While such
a practice seems shocking today, it probably wasn't such a big deal
back then. Correct me if my history is wrong, but it seems to me
that Germany would have in fact been the best potential customer,
being one country that made decent progress towards getting out of
the depression that was widespread in Europe at the time. Also,
this was before we all figured out that Naziism was a Bad Thing,
right?
Can anyone tell us what the book says?
--
Jeffrey S. Sharp
jss(a)ou.edu
1 May
1 May
3:10 a.m.
New subject: Anyone read....
IIRC my high-school history correctly, noone outside of Germany had
any idea of the magnitude of Hilter's racial purification policies.
It wasn't until the allies marched into the concentration camps and
discovered piles of bones instead of cheering prisoners that the
truth came out.
Then, anyone who had done business with Germany couldn't make their
associations publically know without risk of retaliation.
clint
On Mon, 30 Apr 2001, Jeffrey S. Sharp wrote:
Quoting Mike <dogas(a)bellsouth.net>et>:
"IBM and the Holocaust: The Strategic
Alliance between Nazi
Germany and America's Most Powerful Corporation" by Edwin Black,
Crown
I saw it at the local Hastings, but also didn't have the money to
pick it up. I will read it this summer, though. I suspect it will
try to shock me by detailing how IBM had sold technology of some
kind to Germany before US involvement in World War II. While such
a practice seems shocking today, it probably wasn't such a big deal
back then. Correct me if my history is wrong, but it seems to me
that Germany would have in fact been the best potential customer,
being one country that made decent progress towards getting out of
the depression that was widespread in Europe at the time. Also,
this was before we all figured out that Naziism was a Bad Thing,
right?
Can anyone tell us what the book says?
--
Jeffrey S. Sharp
jss(a)ou.edu
5:15 a.m.
New subject: Anyone read.... (SemiOT)
Lots of U.S. companies had dealings with Germany before WWII, all trade
ceased when America entered the war, of course. That and the U-Boats sinking
most trade vessils destined to Europe.
Haven't read the book yet, but I'm sure they left out how IBM also built
machines for the U.S. war effort, used to crack encryption codes and
whatnot.
Krupps made the ovens that were used to dispose of the bodies in the
concentration camps. Now they make coffee makers. Life goes on despite
stupidity.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Clint Wolff (VAX collector)" <vaxman(a)qwest.net>
To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2001 11:10 AM
Subject: Re: Anyone read....
IIRC my high-school history correctly, noone outside of Germany had
any idea of the magnitude of Hilter's racial purification policies.
It wasn't until the allies marched into the concentration camps and
discovered piles of bones instead of cheering prisoners that the
truth came out.
Then, anyone who had done business with Germany couldn't make their
associations publically know without risk of retaliation.
clint
On Mon, 30 Apr 2001, Jeffrey S. Sharp wrote:
Quoting Mike <dogas(a)bellsouth.net>et>:
"IBM and the Holocaust: The Strategic
Alliance between Nazi
Germany and America's Most Powerful Corporation" by Edwin Black,
Crown
I saw it at the local Hastings, but also didn't have the money to
pick it up. I will read it this summer, though. I suspect it will
try to shock me by detailing how IBM had sold technology of some
kind to Germany before US involvement in World War II. While such
a practice seems shocking today, it probably wasn't such a big deal
back then. Correct me if my history is wrong, but it seems to me
that Germany would have in fact been the best potential customer,
being one country that made decent progress towards getting out of
the depression that was widespread in Europe at the time. Also,
this was before we all figured out that Naziism was a Bad Thing,
right?
Can anyone tell us what the book says?
--
Jeffrey S. Sharp
jss(a)ou.edu
9:46 a.m.
New subject: Anyone read....
VAX collector skrev:
IIRC my high-school history correctly, noone outside of
Germany had
any idea of the magnitude of Hilter's racial purification policies.
It wasn't until the allies marched into the concentration camps and
discovered piles of bones instead of cheering prisoners that the
truth came out.
The majority of the people didn't know, but the ones in power did. And didn't
care.
But that's 50 years ago, so who the hell cares? We've all been on the net long
enough to know that whoever mentions the H word loses.
--
En ligne avec Thor 2.6a.
Die Zeit kommt aus der Zukunft, die nicht existiert, in die
Gegenwart, die keine Dauer hat, und geht in die Vergangenheit,
die aufgeh?rt hat, zu bestehen.
--- Augustinus (R?m. Kirchenlehrer, 354-430 n. Chr.)
2 May
2 May
12:28 a.m.
At 07:32 PM 4/29/01 -0400, you wrote:
Nah; I know the feeling: when you're turbocharged with
excitement you always push it a little further. Me, I
probably would have gotten up from bed one more
time to take a last look at the haul before finally
deciding to stay in the bed.
--------------------------------------------------------------
Carlos E. Murillo-Sanchez carlos_murillo(a)nospammers.ieee.org
> Whew! 42
hours with no sleep. I'm getting too old for this.
42 hours of no sleep will do ANYONE in, no matter
what their age is!
You're crazy!
The Thing that got me is that he had time to make
the posting before going to sleep. Priorities?
29 Apr
29 Apr
11:47 a.m.
Thats what my wife said too...
On Sun, 29 Apr 2001, you wrote:
42 hours of no sleep will do ANYONE in, no matter what
their age is!
You're crazy!
Edwin
At 07:19 AM 4/28/2001 -0400, you wrote:
--
Brian Roth - System Administrator
www.webwirz.com - Old Computer Repository
Preoccupation is my main occupation.....
I just got back from out of state with another DEC
haul. I filled my Astro
van
>to the roof with more docs software and misc before Mr. Landfill took them.
>
>Whew! 42 hours with no sleep. I'm getting too old for this.
>
>Brian.
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