15 May
2019
15 May
'19
4:25 p.m.
Hey all,
I bumped into someone who has some early (mid 1970 on some of the photos
I've seen) PDP-11 bits - front panel and a handful of boards (the
backplane, PSU, rack, peripherals etc. are long gone). The front panel's
branded as "Industrial 11" though, which isn't something I've seen or
heard
of before.
Address bus is 16 bits wide, and aside from the branding, the style appears
to be the same as an 11/05 or 11/10. Were there any differences to the
system internally though, or in the standard set of boards fitted, or was
the "industrial" aspect purely a marketing exercise?
cheers
Jules
15 May
15 May
4:52 p.m.
On May 15, 2019, at 7:25 PM, Jules Richardson via
cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
Hey all,
I bumped into someone who has some early (mid 1970 on some of the photos I've seen)
PDP-11 bits - front panel and a handful of boards (the backplane, PSU, rack, peripherals
etc. are long gone). The front panel's branded as "Industrial 11" though,
which isn't something I've seen or heard of before.
Address bus is 16 bits wide, and aside from the branding, the style appears to be the
same as an 11/05 or 11/10. Were there any differences to the system internally though, or
in the standard set of boards fitted, or was the "industrial" aspect purely a
marketing exercise?
There was a "Rugged 11", a PDP11/20 variant with actual packaging changes, for
example sturdier switches on the console panel. I've only seen photos of that one.
The "Industrial" thing you mentioned sounds more like a "product line"
variant. DEC had a lot of groups focused on particular business categories, which it
called "product lines". That meant a marketing and sales focus on those
businesses, but might also include specialized software products, hardware bundles, or the
like.
For example, the newspaper product line created Typeset-11 software, the VT20, 61t, and 71
terminals, custom interfaces to phototypesetters, and software/hardware/support bundled
packages for turnkey systems to sell to newspapers. The telephone product group created
Assist-11 directory assistance database software, and later was the original vehicle for
DEC to deliver Unix to customers who wanted it. Educational products group created PDP-11
systems with software bundles and a different paint job (light/dark blue rather than
red/maroon).
I have a plastic ruler made as a marketing tchotchke by the industrial products group.
They may well have done more substantive stuff, like industrial control interfaces or
product bundles focused on those customers.
paul
6:54 p.m.
On Wed, May 15, 2019 at 8:49 PM Al Kossow via cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
wrote:
On 5/15/19 4:25 PM, Jules Richardson via cctalk wrote:
I have one of these
http://vintagecomputer.net/digital/PDP11-40_industrial11/
It has a MASSBUS expansion chassis and a TU10. I got it up and running,
added RL02's to it. At some point I plan to switch out the RL02s for RK05s
because it's more a match for the time period.
Bill
Bill
was the "industrial"
aspect purely a marketing exercise?
yup, just the red/blue coloring front panel is different
6:57 p.m.
Here is a good pick of the front panel
http://vintagecomputer.net/digital/PDP11-40_industrial11/pre-cleaning/pre-c…
On Wed, May 15, 2019 at 9:54 PM Bill Degnan <billdegnan at gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, May 15, 2019 at 8:49 PM Al Kossow via cctalk <
cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
On 5/15/19 4:25 PM, Jules Richardson via cctalk wrote:
I have one of these
http://vintagecomputer.net/digital/PDP11-40_industrial11/
It has a MASSBUS expansion chassis and a TU10. I got it up and running,
added RL02's to it. At some point I plan to switch out the RL02s for RK05s
because it's more a match for the time period.
Bill
Bill
was the "industrial"
aspect purely a marketing exercise?
yup, just the red/blue coloring front panel is different
7:29 p.m.
Hey all,
I bumped into someone who has some early (mid 1970 on some of the photos
I've seen) PDP-11 bits - front panel and a handful of boards (the
backplane, PSU, rack, peripherals etc. are long gone). The front panel's
branded as "Industrial 11" though, which isn't something I've seen or
heard
of before.
Address bus is 16 bits wide, and aside from the branding, the style appears
to be the same as an 11/05 or 11/10. Were there any differences to the
system internally though, or in the standard set of boards fitted, or was
the "industrial" aspect purely a marketing exercise?
cheers
Jules
Here's the Industrial 11 version of the 11/05:
https://youtu.be/XV-7J5y1TQc?t=254
Steve
16 May
16 May
4:23 a.m.
On 5/15/19 9:29 PM, Steve Malikoff via cctalk wrote:
Here's the Industrial 11 version of the 11/05:
https://youtu.be/XV-7J5y1TQc?t=254
Thanks for finding that... yup, that appears to be the exact panel that he
has (and /5 or /10, or in fact what the difference is between the two
anyway, I'm not sure)
J.
5:57 a.m.
On Thu, May 16, 2019 at 7:23 AM Jules Richardson via cctalk <
cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
On 5/15/19 9:29 PM, Steve Malikoff via cctalk wrote:
Cool I never noticed it was an industrial 11 10/05, but I have studied this
video in the past.
b
Here's the Industrial 11 version of the
11/05:
https://youtu.be/XV-7J5y1TQc?t=254
Thanks for finding that... yup, that appears to be the exact panel that he
has (and /5 or /10, or in fact what the difference is between the two
anyway, I'm not sure)
J.
15 May
15 May
11:14 p.m.
The standard 8s and 11s pretty much became "Industrial" when they were
paired with the PDP-14 or PDP-16 industrial product lines.. I have several
Industrial 8s and 11s. Like Al said, that part was just a change to red and
blue, but it was tied to some very specialized equipment.
I would be interested in whatever bits and pieces are available.
Thanks, Paul
On Wed, May 15, 2019 at 6:25 PM Jules Richardson via cctalk <
cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
Hey all,
I bumped into someone who has some early (mid 1970 on some of the photos
I've seen) PDP-11 bits - front panel and a handful of boards (the
backplane, PSU, rack, peripherals etc. are long gone). The front panel's
branded as "Industrial 11" though, which isn't something I've seen or
heard
of before.
Address bus is 16 bits wide, and aside from the branding, the style
appears
to be the same as an 11/05 or 11/10. Were there any differences to the
system internally though, or in the standard set of boards fitted, or was
the "industrial" aspect purely a marketing exercise?
cheers
Jules
17 May
17 May
12:51 p.m.
On 5/16/2019 12:14 AM, Paul Anderson via cctalk wrote:
The standard 8s and 11s pretty much became
"Industrial" when they were
paired with the PDP-14 or PDP-16 industrial product lines.. I have several
Industrial 8s and 11s. Like Al said, that part was just a change to red and
blue, but it was tied to some very specialized equipment.
Did the Industrial
version get better testing and work in a non friendly
envorment?
4:41 p.m.
I knew customers who were required to put their systems in environmental
cabs, which had special filters and AC. I don't think DEC ever made any.
They did make the RT100, RT340, etc. which were rugidized versions or the
VTs.
On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 2:51 PM ben via cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
wrote:
On 5/16/2019 12:14 AM, Paul Anderson via cctalk
wrote:
The standard 8s and 11s pretty much became
"Industrial" when they were
paired with the PDP-14 or PDP-16 industrial product lines.. I have
several
Industrial 8s and 11s. Like Al said, that part
was just a change to red
and
blue, but it was tied to some very specialized
equipment.
Did the Industrial version get better testing and work in a non
friendly
envorment?
29 May
29 May
4:41 a.m.
On 5/15/19 6:25 PM, Jules Richardson via cctalk wrote:
Hey all,
I bumped into someone who has some early (mid 1970 on some of the photos
I've seen) PDP-11 bits - front panel and a handful of boards (the
backplane, PSU, rack, peripherals etc. are long gone).
Ugh, update... apparently they gave everything to someone who does
"steampunk stuff", so they're probably chopped into pieces by now :-(
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