6 Aug
2004
6 Aug
'04
12:59 p.m.
eyeglass screwdrivers and even nail files were taken off the list later last year. The
people that are there are doing their job and are not given the ability to make decisions
and exceptions on their own. People making exceptions and doing their own security thing
on 9/11 resulted in thousands of dead people.
Sure, the borders need to be protected better, but at least a person running into the side
of a building will only give the person a headache. Of course, I would suppsoe that he
would sue the buiding manufacturer and win because there is no sign warning someone of
getting hurt if they do that...
As for missing badges, most security systems require the badge and an ID code to enter, so
just having a badge doesn't help much unless security is already lax at the airport.
People are to badge in, enter their code, and then close the door so the next person does
the same procedure.
If Miami is ruuning that badly then there is a good problem to start with.
Steve
6 Aug
6 Aug
1:56 p.m.
On Fri, 2004-08-06 at 19:59, Steve Thatcher wrote:
eyeglass screwdrivers and even nail files were taken
off the list later last year. The people that are there are doing their job and are not
given the ability to make decisions and exceptions on their own. People making exceptions
and doing their own security thing on 9/11 resulted in thousands of dead people.
No, what actually caused the deaths is people being taught to be passive
sheep in case of a hijacking. The about of security required to prevent
something like 9/11 from happening would make Nazi Germany look a
bastion of freedom.
I'm not saying some steps should not be done, but I have to agree with
what others have voiced that about the only thing that the TSA does is
put forth the apprearance of security.
Sure, the borders need to be protected better, but at
least a person running into the side of a building will only give the person a headache.
Of course, I would suppsoe that he would sue the buiding manufacturer and win because
there is no sign warning someone of getting hurt if they do that...
It's an impossible job to secure the borders well enough to prevent any
small motivated group from sneaking in, and once in it's easy enough to
blend in. There are probably more ways to kill or mame a large number
of people than anybody can plan against. Then the question comes as
what is the effect on society and the economy of the country as a result
of the measures put in place.
::sigh::
This is so far off topic for this list that this thread probably should
die.
Paul
As for missing badges, most security systems require
the badge and an ID code to enter, so just having a badge doesn't help much unless
security is already lax at the airport. People are to badge in, enter their code, and then
close the door so the next person does the same procedure.
If Miami is ruuning that badly then there is a good problem to start with.
What about all the small commercial aviation airports with no security?
last I talked to somebody that flew private planes (about a year ago) it
was easy to fly from a small county airport and bypass all the security
in regional airport.
Paul
3:51 p.m.
At 08:56 PM 8/6/04 -0500, you wrote:
On Fri, 2004-08-06 at 19:59, Steve Thatcher wrote:
> eyeglass screwdrivers and even nail files were taken off the list later
last
year. The people that are there are doing their job and are not given
the ability to make decisions and exceptions on their own. People making
exceptions and doing their own security thing on 9/11 resulted in thousands
of dead people.
No, what actually caused the deaths is people being taught to be passive
sheep in case of a hijacking.
Amen!
The about of security required to prevent
something like 9/11 from happening would make Nazi
Germany look a
bastion of freedom.
I'm not saying some steps should not be done, but I have to agree with
what others have voiced that about the only thing that the TSA does is
put forth the apprearance of security.
> Sure, the borders need to be protected better, but at least a person
running
into the side of a building will only give the person a headache.
Of course, I would suppsoe that he would sue the buiding manufacturer and
win because there is no sign warning someone of getting hurt if they do
that...
It's an impossible job to secure the borders well enough to prevent any
small motivated group from sneaking in,
That's true but we can't even seem to keep out fully one half of Mexico!
(or Hatii or Puerto Rico, Dominican Republic, or Cuba or half the counties
in South and Central America). It's gotten so bad that I read recently
where one lot of border jumpers they did did catch turned out to be
Chinese! They traveled to Mexico, presumably legally, then jumped the
border into the US. It's no longer just Mexicans but the whole world is
crossing into the US via the Mexican border!
Joe
and once in it's easy enough to
blend in. There are probably more ways to kill or mame
a large number
of people than anybody can plan against. Then the question comes as
what is the effect on society and the economy of the country as a result
of the measures put in place.
::sigh::
This is so far off topic for this list that this thread probably should
die.
Paul
> As for missing badges, most security systems require the badge and an ID
code
to enter, so just having a badge doesn't help much unless security is
already lax at the airport. People are to badge in, enter their code, and
then close the door so the next person does the same procedure.
If Miami is ruuning that badly then there is a good problem to start with.
What about all the small commercial aviation airports with no security?
last I talked to somebody that flew private planes (about a year ago) it
was easy to fly from a small county airport and bypass all the security
in regional airport.
Paul
8:46 p.m.
New subject: OT Re: Holy cow...
Joe R. wrote:
At 08:56 PM 8/6/04 -0500, you wrote:
>On Fri, 2004-08-06 at 19:59, Steve Thatcher wrote:
>
>>eyeglass screwdrivers and even nail files were taken off the list later
last year. The people that are there are doing their
job and are not given
the ability to make decisions and exceptions on their own. People making
exceptions and doing their own security thing on 9/11 resulted in thousands
of dead people.
>No, what actually caused the deaths is people being
taught to be passive
>sheep in case of a hijacking.
Amen!
Indeed, but to be fair those passengers had no idea what the hijackers
planned, once the real situation became know the passengers DID try and
do something. And since then attempts to hijack planes HAVE been
prevented by passenger intervention by probably the best security
available : self preservation.
-- HansP
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