12 Dec
2000
12 Dec
'00
11:57 p.m.
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 20:20:52 +0000 (GMT)
From: ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk (Tony Duell)
Subject: Re: Apricot & G4IDE
The other possibility is that this is some kind of timing card (the
counters would give that impression) and that the audio
signal from the
radio receiver is fed into the Cassette Input of the ZX81.
You may have
the complete unit apart from the software.
Have you considered looking him up in the callbook (assuming
he's in it)
and writing to him to ask what the unit is?
I did a google search for him and found him in Boston, Lincs. It IS a timing
card but it's for the Spectrum, not ZX81, despite the edge connector. The
software was called RTTY and he can't remember that much about it since it
was so long ago, but it received weather FAX data by radio and RTTY graphed
it up on a Speccy......cool :)
As an aside I've just won an Apple 5 1/4 drive (still in its plastic bag :)
that will go nicely on my Woz GS. The problem I now have is getting the disk
images off one of my Macs and onto a 5 1/4" disk! Any clues? I don't yet
have a suitable drive on the PC but getting one won't be too
difficult.......
adrian/witchy
www.binarydinosaurs.co.uk - the Online Computer Museum
13 Dec
13 Dec
9:13 a.m.
New subject: G4IDE and ][GS disks (slightly off topic)
-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-classiccmp@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Adrian Graham
As an aside I've just won an Apple 5 1/4 drive (still in its
plastic bag :)
that will go nicely on my Woz GS. The problem I now have is
getting the disk
images off one of my Macs and onto a 5 1/4" disk! Any clues? I don't yet
have a suitable drive on the PC but getting one won't be too
difficult.......
If you don't have one already, get a 3.5" floppy drive for your GS (even on
ebay these rarely cost more than $10). A Mac is able to read and write
ProDOS formatted 3.5" floppies, making this a convenient means of
transferring files.
Your PC will be of no use for data transfer by floppy, even with a 5.25"
floppy drive installed. The GCR recording method used by the Apple II series
of computers cannot be read or written by a *standard* PC floppy drive
controller. If you must use a PC, the "easiest to implement" method of file
transfer with an Apple II series computer is via a "null modem" serial
connection.
10 a.m.
New subject: G4IDE and ][GS disks (slightly off topic)
On Wed, 13 Dec 2000, Henry Broekhuyse wrote:
Your PC will be of no use for data transfer by floppy,
even with a 5.25"
floppy drive installed. The GCR recording method used by the Apple II series
of computers cannot be read or written by a *standard* PC floppy drive
controller. If you must use a PC, the "easiest to implement" method of file
transfer with an Apple II series computer is via a "null modem" serial
connection.
I was trying to transfer WP files the other day using a method Tony
mentioned: printing the files through a null modem cable to a PC. So I
hooked it all up but for some reason AppleWorks does not behave properly
when I print the file. I'm telling it to print to an ImageWriter on Slot
2. I have a Super Serial Card there but the jumper block is configured to
"MODEM", although this should not have any effect on how bytes are sent
through the card. That jumper block is really just like a null modem
thingy. Anyway, nothing comes out over the serial cable to my PC.
AppleWorks basically locks up and I have to reset (whichAW recovers from
by throwing me back into the main menu).
I verified the connection was good by testing it with ProTerm and I was
able to send and receive characters on both ends.
Any ideas?
Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival
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14 Dec
14 Dec
9:08 a.m.
New subject: storage media
Hi Sam
I just saw the coolest storage media. It was a 1 gig
hard drive that was about 1 square inch and about 1/8
inch thick. It was still expensive but these would make
great compact data storage when the prices come down
to level.
Dwight
9:35 a.m.
New subject: storage media
I just saw the coolest storage media. It was a 1 gig
hard drive that was about 1 square inch and about 1/8
(Way OT)
The amazing thing is that I don't think any PDA's
currently support it. (DigiCams, CompactFlash,Do.)
I go around spouting this sometimes:
"IBM used to send out its salesmen with little 1/24
models of their Mainframe installations to do site
planning on the desktop first before bringing in the
actual HW. With Moore's Law and the progress of
miniaturization, you could Build a system that big
now that actually works."
Only with more power.
John A.
P.S. That microdisk is an IBM product <g>.
10:07 a.m.
New subject: Way OT: storage media
> I just saw the coolest storage media. It was a 1
gig
> hard drive that was about 1 square inch and about 1/8
On Thu, 14 Dec 2000,
John Allain wrote:
(Way OT)
The amazing thing is that I don't think any PDA's
currently support it. (DigiCams, CompactFlash,Do.)
P.S. That microdisk is an IBM product <g>.
I've seen a Pocket Pc using it for holding movies!
I go around spouting this sometimes:
"IBM used to send out its salesmen with little 1/24
models of their Mainframe installations to do site
planning on the desktop first before bringing in the
actual HW. With Moore's Law and the progress of
miniaturization, you could Build a system that big
now that actually works."
Only with more power.
You might want to consider not minitaurizing the keyboards and display
quite that much.
And punch cards that size would be difficult to handle.
4:39 p.m.
New subject: Way OT: storage media
On Thu, 14 Dec 2000, Fred Cisin (XenoSoft) wrote:
You might want to consider not minitaurizing the
keyboards and display
quite that much.
And punch cards that size would be difficult to
handle.
...and mag tapes would be a nuisance if miniaturized that much, and
lights and switches panels just wouldn't look quite right... besides,
the tiny disk drives wouldn't produce nice sounds like larger drives
produce.
--
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9:52 a.m.
New subject: storage media
At 12:08 PM 12/14/00 -0800, Dwight wrote:
I just saw the coolest storage media. It was a 1 gig
hard drive that was about 1 square inch and about 1/8
inch thick.
That would be the IBM Microdrive. Used to come in 340 and 540 MB sizes, now
available in 1GB. We're almost to the point where we can build a 1/20"
scale model of a DEC-2065 that actually runs tops-20 :-)
However, as many digital camera owners have discovered, there is a
reliability issue with these drives. It seems that they are susceptible to
damage if their angular velocity exceeds a certain amount when they are
spinning. This appears at first glance to be due to the platters warping
due to precession. The platter(s) then contact the heads and when you hit
the servo heads it gets a bit messy.
Reading about this problem gave me the idea of building an inertial
navigation system out of dead IDE drives :-)
--Chuck
10:13 a.m.
New subject: storage media
based on cost and size, it's probably more efficient to use a full-sized
40GB drive. By the time you include hardware to mount it in the same
volume, you break about even, methinks. Of course the little guys cost
more.
These'll be pretty handy once the capacity goes up some.
Dick
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dwight Elvey" <elvey(a)hal.com>
To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2000 1:08 PM
Subject: storage media
Hi Sam
I just saw the coolest storage media. It was a 1 gig
hard drive that was about 1 square inch and about 1/8
inch thick. It was still expensive but these would make
great compact data storage when the prices come down
to level.
Dwight
11:06 a.m.
New subject: storage media
On Thu, 14 Dec 2000, Dwight Elvey wrote:
I just saw the coolest storage media. It was a 1 gig
hard drive that was about 1 square inch and about 1/8
inch thick. It was still expensive but these would make
great compact data storage when the prices come down
to level.
Holy shit. That's amazing. I wonder, given the size, if these are less
prone to physical crashes than larger drives are?
Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival
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15 Dec
15 Dec
3:08 p.m.
New subject: storage media
At 02:06 PM 12/14/00 -0800, Sellam Ismail wrote:
On Thu, 14 Dec 2000, Dwight Elvey wrote:
Yeah, they've been putting hard drives in PCMCIA cards
for a while now. Digital cameras will be much more fun
with HDs in them. Of course, the RAM card makers don't
mind selling CompactFlash and SmartMedia cards.
Digital cameras are getting so incredibly inexpensive,
I'd guess we're about seven years from them being included
in cereal boxes.
- John
I just saw the coolest storage media. It was a 1
gig
hard drive that was about 1 square inch and about 1/8
inch thick.
Holy shit. That's amazing. I wonder, given the size, if these are
less
prone to physical crashes than larger drives are?
3:09 p.m.
New subject: storage media
On Fri, 15 Dec 2000, John Foust wrote:
Digital cameras are getting so incredibly
inexpensive,
I'd guess we're about seven years from them being included
in cereal boxes.
That'd be cool but by the same economical logic we'd be getting free
radios in cereal boxes today :)
Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival
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4:35 p.m.
New subject: storage media
You mean you didn't get yours?
--Chuck
(Seriously though, I once saw the "component stereo" you got by signing up
for Sport's Illustrated at a garage sale. It was an AM/FM radio with two
speakers about the 1/3 size of a disposable camera.)
Regarding cheap digital cameras, they are cheap because they suck. I
knuckled under and got a "real" Digicam (the Olympus C-3030Z) to replace my
nearly on-topic Minolta Dimage V) and I must say, the difference is
remarkable (they both cost about the same, and the Olympus is cheaper in
inflation adjusted dollars)
At 06:09 PM 12/15/00 -0800, you wrote:
On Fri, 15 Dec 2000, John Foust wrote:
Digital cameras are getting so incredibly
inexpensive,
I'd guess we're about seven years from them being included
in cereal boxes.
That'd be cool but by the same economical logic we'd be getting free
radios in cereal boxes today :)
Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival
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5:52 p.m.
New subject: storage media
Chuck McManis skrev:
You mean you didn't get yours?
--Chuck
(Seriously though, I once saw the "component
stereo" you got by signing up
for Sport's Illustrated at a garage sale. It was an AM/FM radio with two
speakers about the 1/3 size of a disposable camera.)
To keep this slightly on topic, a bloke at the user group once brought a
miniature pong console (the size of two cigarette packs, perhaps) which was
given away when signing up for a comic book.
Regarding cheap digital cameras, they are cheap because
they suck. I
knuckled under and got a "real" Digicam (the Olympus C-3030Z) to replace my
nearly on-topic Minolta Dimage V) and I must say, the difference is
remarkable (they both cost about the same, and the Olympus is cheaper in
inflation adjusted dollars)
I wouldn't want to risk ending up without media in a remote village in a
foreign land, which is likely if one is bringing a digital camera on the
holidays.
And digital snaps can't be easily shown to others, save for on the lo-res web.
--
En ligne avec Thor 2.6.
Computers are not intelligent. They only think they are.
16 Dec
16 Dec
1:50 p.m.
New subject: storage media
At 05:52 AM 12/16/00 +0100, it was written:
I wouldn't want to risk ending up without media in
a remote village in a
foreign land, which is likely if one is bringing a digital camera on the
holidays.
And digital snaps can't be easily shown to others, save for on the lo-res web.
This is countered by the fact that this particular camera can connect
directly to a video monitor to display images. Further, with digital
cameras since you can delete "bad" pictures rather than replace film you
when you fill up your flash card you've only got "keepers", and finally I
carry 1 64M and two 32M cards with me that will hold something like 240
hi-res pictures which is more pictures than I have taken on any trip I have
ever taken. Further with my laptop on the trip such a limit becomes
meaningless. With wireless net access using something like Shutterfly to
send "prints" (actual prints of your images) is pretty easy.
--Chuck
4:41 a.m.
New subject: storage media
At 06:09 PM 12/15/00 -0800, you wrote:
On Fri, 15 Dec 2000, John Foust wrote:
I can be as economical or even as downright frugal as
the next guy, but even by economic logic, it's possible.
At the high-end of cereal give-aways, they simply jack
the price of the cereal to cover the big toy. Or they
put it in the box and cover the cost in the shipping and
handling charge. That's my favorite. I make it a point
of covering the cost of goods in the S/H charge.
What's easier to make, a radio or a voice recorder/playback
chip? More importantly, what do kids want? They probably
don't want a radio. They do, however, want chicken nuggets
and a hunk of plastic that talks. A Happy Meal costs less
than a box of cereal, no? Perhaps you're right. They'll
be giving away digital cameras at McDonalds. I would guess
the most expensive part inside them will be the battery, as
is the situation today.
Back in 1986 or so, I was ridiculed for a column in an
Amiga mag that speculated that one day soon there would
be free C compilers, assemblers and development systems.
- John
Digital cameras are getting so incredibly
inexpensive,
I'd guess we're about seven years from them being included
in cereal boxes.
That'd be cool but by the same economical logic we'd be getting free
radios in cereal boxes today :)
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cmcmanis＠mcmanis.com -
edick＠idcomm.com -
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