14 Jan
2010
14 Jan
'10
10:03 a.m.
I normally watch theses two newsgroups. However, the
last post on vmsnet.pdp-11 seems to have been on
September 27th, 2009. Even for this low frequency
group, that seems like a long time.
For alt.sys.pdp11, the last post was on January 4th,
2010. Since there is usually a post every few days,
this is also a long time.
Has anyone seen any more recent posts? Perhaps the
newsgroups server I use is not passing the posts along.
Sincerely yours,
Jerome Fine
11:04 a.m.
At 10:27 AM -0500 1/14/10, Barry L. Kline wrote:
Jerome H. Fine wrote:
Also the vmsnet.* hierarchy is one of the ones that is likely to be
skipped by USENET providers. For a long time I didn't have access,
and I honestly can't remember if I do right now or not.
Zane
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Has anyone seen any more recent posts? Perhaps
the
newsgroups server I use is not passing the posts along.
Hi Jerome.
The latest I have is 1/4/2010, on alt.sys.pdp11.
On vmsnet.pdp-11 the newest is 9/27/2009. 
3:18 p.m.
Zane H. Healy wrote:
At 10:27 AM -0500 1/14/10, Barry L. Kline wrote:
Which brings up a question I've had for a long time. What USENET
providers are good to rely on for these more obscure news feeds?
/P
Jerome H. Fine wrote:
Also the vmsnet.* hierarchy is one of the ones that is likely to be
skipped by USENET providers. For a long time I didn't have access,
and I honestly can't remember if I do right now or not.
Zane
Has anyone seen any more recent posts? Perhaps
the
newsgroups server I use is not passing the posts along.
Hi Jerome.
The latest I have is 1/4/2010, on alt.sys.pdp11.
On vmsnet.pdp-11 the newest is 9/27/2009. 
3:48 p.m.
Pontus wrote:
Which brings up a question I've had for a long
time. What USENET
providers are good to rely on for these more obscure news feeds?
I just subscribed to thundernews.com and it seems to have all of the
more obscure groups.
Barry
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4:24 p.m.
Which brings up a question I've had for a long
time. What USENET
providers are good to rely on for these more obscure news feeds?
I've been so far happy with Newscene.
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4:35 p.m.
Cameron Kaiser wrote:
Second that. I've had an account with them for a long time - 10
years maybe. Never had any issues with the service, and they carry a
silly number of groups.
Doc
Which brings
up a question I've had for a long time. What USENET
providers are good to rely on for these more obscure news feeds?
I've been so far happy with Newscene. 
4:38 p.m.
Man, $12.99 a month for the cheap plan. Remember when your ISP used to do this for free?
Mine quit a few months ago.
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From: Cameron Kaiser <spectre at floodgap.com>
To: cctalk at classiccmp.org
Sent: Thu, January 14, 2010 3:24:52 PM
Subject: Re: Lack of Posts on alt.sys.pdp11 and vmsnet.pdp-11
Which brings up a question I've had for a long
time. What USENET
providers are good to rely on for these more obscure news feeds?
I've been so far happy with Newscene.
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5:07 p.m.
On Thu, 14 Jan 2010, geoffrey oltmans wrote:
Man, $12.99 a month for the cheap plan. Remember when
your ISP used to do
this for free? Mine quit a few months ago.
My ISP still offers free USENET access, but when they outsourced their
USENET server "x" years ago, they went with an outfit that doesn't carry
vmsnet.*. :-(
Actually come to think of it my "ISP" is no longer my ISP, but rather a
company I pay for Shell, email, USENET, and light web hosting. My ISP is
now Verizon, and I doubt they offer USENET.
Zane
5:22 p.m.
Zane H. Healy wrote:
Actually come to think of it my "ISP" is no
longer my ISP, but rather a
company I pay for Shell, email, USENET, and light web hosting. My ISP is
now Verizon, and I doubt they offer USENET.
Zane
For anyone looking, I used giganews for years, and they were cheap, very
reliable, great retention, etc. When I canceled, it was followed up by
a personal email (not a form letter), just asking why I was leaving and
what they could have done better. This wasn't a push for me to stay,
but a genuine concern for how they could improve the service. In my
case, I simply didn't use it enough to justify the $5-$8/month I paid.
If I ever needed it again, they'd get the first shot at my business.
Verizon offered up to Sept 30, 2009.
https://www.verizon.net/central/vzc.portal?_nfpb=true&_pageLabel=vzc_he…
It's irritating because of why:
http://arstechnica.com/old/content/2008/06/alt-blocked-verizon-blocks-acces…
Of course, access to usenet HAD to be restricted because some people do
bad things with some part of it. It's a dangerous dangerous slippery slope.
Keith
5:25 p.m.
Zane H. Healy wrote:
Actually come to think of it my "ISP" is no
longer my ISP, but rather a
company I pay for Shell, email, USENET, and light web hosting. My ISP is
now Verizon, and I doubt they offer USENET.
Zane, they used to but they shut it down last September or October.
That's why I had to subscribe to thundernews. The best part of the
announcement email I got from Verizon was the comment that the change
would not result in a price increase. I'd be paying the same.
I called them and told the rep "So let me get this straight... I get to
pay the same amount for less service. What a deal!"
Barry
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5:51 p.m.
On Thu, 14 Jan 2010, Barry L. Kline wrote:
Zane, they used to but they shut it down last
September or October.
That's why I had to subscribe to thundernews. The best part of the
announcement email I got from Verizon was the comment that the change
would not result in a price increase. I'd be paying the same.
I called them and told the rep "So let me get this straight... I get to
pay the same amount for less service. What a deal!"
Prior to moving I had Aracnet for my ISP providing me with DSL service, and
Verizon simply provided the line. When we bought a house one of the
previous sets of owners had suckered for FIOS, as a result the only option
was FIOS. To get the level of service I was paying about $40 for now costs
me more like $120. While the insane jump in speed is nice at times, I don't
see that much benefit from it, since most websites I visit can't provide the
data anywhere near fast enough.
Basically I have a business FIOS line now with Verizon, and still use
Aracnet for everything.
Zane
15 Jan
15 Jan
12:35 p.m.
On Jan 14, 2010, at 5:07 PM, Zane H. Healy wrote:
Actually come to think of it my "ISP" is no
longer my ISP, but
rather a
company I pay for Shell, email, USENET, and light web hosting.
Some of those sound like Internet Services to me.
-Dave
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Dave McGuire
Port Charlotte, FL
14 Jan
14 Jan
5:19 p.m.
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7:57 p.m.
Man, $12.99 a month for the cheap plan. Remember when
your ISP used to do
this for free? Mine quit a few months ago.
No, newscene is not cheap. But they have always responded to me promptly,
their service is very fast, and retention has always been there when I
needed it. I'm a heavy Usenet user, however, so my needs are different
than others'.
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8:14 p.m.
New subject: was Lack of Posts on alt.sys.pdp11 .. Archives
does anyone have any status on what was on google archives. I had heard
that they were purged or were pruned at any rate.
I know of groups such as the one on the RT that had a lot of good
information that would be a shame to loose.
Also a search for postings there by Don Maslin might give hints where
his images came from or went to if one were rebuilding the collection.
Only if it were complete though.
Jim
4:54 p.m.
* On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 09:18:53PM +0100, Pontus <pontus at update.uu.se> wrote:
Which brings up a question I've had for a long
time. What USENET
providers are good to rely on for these more obscure news feeds?
First, thank you so much for not saying "begs the question" ;-)
Second, I've been very happy with news.eternal-september.org. For
details on access, see http://www.eternal-september.org/ . I'd have used
it just for the great in-joke name, but they offer free access to all
text-only Usenet groups. So far, nothing I have wanted to read has been
missing.
Of course you won't get alt.binaries.*, but those have been useless for
about 15 years, so you're not missing anything.
And remember... Today is September 5980, 1993, the september that never
ends!
/P
-Seth
3:33 p.m.
Jerome H. Fine wrote:
I normally watch theses two newsgroups. However, the
last post on vmsnet.pdp-11 seems to have been on
September 27th, 2009. Even for this low frequency
group, that seems like a long time.
For alt.sys.pdp11, the last post was on January 4th,
2010. Since there is usually a post every few days,
this is also a long time.
Has anyone seen any more recent posts? Perhaps the
newsgroups server I use is not passing the posts along.
Sincerely yours,
Jerome Fine
vmsnet.pdp-11 is available in Vancouver, BC, Canada via Telus.net. Not
sure about other providers, and I concur that the last post was Sept, 2009.
John :-#)#
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