3 Feb
1998
3 Feb
'98
4:24 a.m.
At 13:15 13-01-98 -0500, William Donzelli
<william(a)ans.net> wrote:
I'll agree it's no problem. I got the old 9370 from my company setting at
home. Paid an official $1 to act as a transfer of ownership. It's just
barely a classic now. Obsolete as heck -not too long after we paid $200k+
for it in '86/'87. Lot of Tylenol used to sooth aching back muscles when I
dragged it home piece-by-piece. (Should have seen the wife look at me...)
Strange how people in different (geographical) areas find different
machines. In the [year + 2 vacations] I worked for IBM, I never saw a
9370 at all. It was released at about that time - I grabbed some
marketing leaflets which I believe I still have - and I thought it
looked an interesting system, but I never saw one :-(
Me too!
But I think a 4381, say or even a 9370, would be easier to work
on.
Getting a 9370 should not be a problem - they are dogs that really were
not sucessful. I have seen quite a few in the scrap yards (none suitable
for taking, however). It's a dog, but nevertheless, something important
in the line of S/370
lineage which I literally rescued from the dumpster.
Notably, it is said to be the first actual production unit sold. Don't
exactly recall complete serial number, but it probably is first since it is
something like xxx0001. Will get back to the list later with SN, etc. if
anybody interested in confirming this.
Fun if true. Do find out!
I need OS books (VSE, I think) and help in bringing
her completely up.
Xerox, I believe, kept the OS manuals since they did all the software
maintenace under contract. IBM did hardware maintenance, of course. We used
the Xerox Business Management System (XBMS) product to run our company. Have
virtually all other hardware books and most periferal books safely at home.
Heard that AIX could run on the 9370 under (I think) VM or something. Any
AIX and VM OS's around that I could scrounge for this iron??
I'll have a look in my marketing bumf and see what IBM were offering.
Alas, I have little of a technical nature.
I'd think a 9370 ought to run Phoenix/MVT at least. Do any of our
Cambridge (UK) contingent want to have a go?
Have tried to bring it up at home but, apparently,
lack of certain
periferals it expects to see hung off the terminal ports causes the IPL to
quit before OS completely loads. Need a guru or present-day user to help
figure this out.
You know, that sort of thing _might_ be in the marketing stuff (as in, a
complete system need consist only of...) since the main selling point
was the small size and no need of special machine room.
Any of you folks willing to help me with this project
later in the year???
Yes, but not physically, since I am unlikely to get to travel to the
States again in the near future! That said, I do have a voucher to
spend with Continental Airlines sometime...
Wife and I just bought another house and will not be
settled until
summertime or later. I'm making provisions during my rewiring of the house
to include a 30A double-pole breaker since the 9370 takes 230V, single
phase. Will duct the air coming out of the CPU to heat the house instead of
using the furnace (just kidding, but there's quite a few BTUs dumped outta
the thing and could keep the house above freezing in the winter at least.)
30A at 230V is around 7kW - running continuously, that could keep a
small house quite warm. (Typical electrical domestic heating
installation in UK, four storage heaters rated at between 2kW and 4kW
each, heat up for 7 hours at night, release heat slowly during day -
equivalent of 3 to 4 kW continuously)
Will tell the list anything more on this machine if any interest.
Yes please.
Philip.
3 Feb
3 Feb
6:30 a.m.
30A at 230V is around 7kW - running continuously, that
could keep a
small house quite warm. (Typical electrical domestic heating
installation in UK, four storage heaters rated at between 2kW and 4kW
each, heat up for 7 hours at night, release heat slowly during day -
equivalent of 3 to 4 kW continuously)
Just because the sticker says 30 amps does not mean it will draw that
much! In general, those ratings are worst case (a fully blown system), and
includes some safety factor (as well as some surge).
For example, the ex-NFSnet RS/6000s are rated for 240V @ 20 amps, but in
their current state (loaded with memory, one DASD shelf), they only suck
about two amps!
Do not be suprised if that 9370 only sucks a few amps.
William Donzelli
william(a)ans.net
5 Feb
5 Feb
10:32 a.m.
At 15:24 03-02-98 +0000, Philip.Belben(a)powertech.co.uk wrote:
Could it be that IBM did not sell many or none at all in UK? They were
first sold in '86/'87 until about 1990 or '91 I think.
I'll check deeper into this at work, however, if any IBM folks out there
could tell me how to confirm this, I would like to hear from you! :^)
I could not drag home all of the peripheral units (the comm. controller,
3262 printer (S/370 Bus), and other incidentals) No room for it all :-(
Sorry folks, it was only a partial rescue.
I meant help by email of course :^) Thanks for the offer of help! Though,
if you're ever in the neighborhood... ;-)
Maybe through use of email, snail mail and even 'phone/fax, you and anybody
else who's willing to pitch in to help me solve the startup problem(s) are
absolutely welcome to jump in whenever I get going on the project later in
'98.
Not the full 30 amps is being consumed. That's the circuit breaker rating
which is around twice the normal current draw -fine for this application.
Surge current is handled well by the breaker upon startup. The rack Power
Controllers bring up the CPU, DASD's and tape in a sequential manner.
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At 13:15
13-01-98 -0500, William Donzelli <william(a)ans.net> wrote:
I'll agree it's no problem. I got the old 9370 from my company setting at
home. Paid an official $1 to act as a transfer of ownership. It's just
barely a classic now. Obsolete as heck -not too long after we paid $200k+
for it in '86/'87. Lot of Tylenol used to sooth aching back muscles when I
dragged it home piece-by-piece. (Should have seen the wife look at me...)
Strange how people in different (geographical) areas find different
machines. In the [year + 2 vacations] I worked for IBM, I never saw a
9370 at all. It was released at about that time - I grabbed some
marketing leaflets which I believe I still have - and I thought it
looked an interesting system, but I never saw one :-( Me too!
But I think a 4381, say or even a 9370, would be easier to work
on.
Getting a 9370 should not be a problem - they are dogs that really were
> It's a dog, but nevertheless, something important in the line of S/370
> lineage which I literally rescued from the dumpster.
>
> Notably, it is said to be the first actual production unit sold. Don't
> exactly recall complete serial number, but it probably is first since it
is
something like
xxx0001. Will get back to the list later with SN, etc. if
anybody interested in confirming this.
Fun if true. Do find out!
> I need OS books (VSE, I think) and help in bringing her completely up.
> Xerox, I believe, kept the OS manuals since they did all the software
> maintenace under contract. IBM did hardware maintenance, of course. We
used
> the Xerox Business Management System (XBMS)
product to run our company.
Have
virtually all
other hardware books and most periferal books safely at home.
Heard that AIX could run on the 9370 under (I think) VM or something. Any
AIX and VM OS's around that I could scrounge for this iron??
I'll have a look in my marketing bumf and see what IBM were offering.
Alas, I have little of a technical nature.
I'd think a 9370 ought to run Phoenix/MVT at least. Do any of our
Cambridge (UK) contingent want to have a go?
Have tried to bring it up at home but,
apparently, lack of certain
periferals it expects to see hung off the terminal ports causes the IPL to
quit before OS completely loads. Need a guru or present-day user to help
figure this out.
You know, that sort of thing _might_ be in the marketing stuff (as in, a
complete system need consist only of...) since the main selling point
was the small size and no need of special machine room. Any of you folks willing to help me with this
project later in the year???
Yes, but not physically, since I am unlikely to get to travel to the
States again in the near future! That said, I do have a voucher to
spend with Continental Airlines sometime...
> Wife and I just bought another house and will not be settled until
> summertime or later. I'm making provisions during my rewiring of the house
> to include a 30A double-pole breaker since the 9370 takes 230V, single
> phase. Will duct the air coming out of the CPU to heat the house instead
of
using the
furnace (just kidding, but there's quite a few BTUs dumped outta
the thing and could keep the house above freezing in the winter at least.)
30A at 230V is around 7kW - running continuously, that could keep a
small house quite warm. (Typical electrical domestic heating
installation in UK, four storage heaters rated at between 2kW and 4kW
each, heat up for 7 hours at night, release heat slowly during day -
equivalent of 3 to 4 kW continuously) Will tell the list anything more on this machine
if any interest.
Yes please.
Philip.
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