At 11:18 AM 9/13/98 -0700, you wrote: I came across a couple of small systems made by SIIG (who makes expansion cards now) that are the size of a small shoebox (not my shoes; Rachel's) and are complete systems with I/O, Video, FDC, HDC, etc. Room for a single 3.5" floppy and one 3.5"hd. One 16-bit expansion slot. Unfortunately, the ones I got are 286 and 386sx machines, but they work great for my voicemail system (which can run fine on an 8088). I would love to find such a box with something more current, but SIIG doesn't mention them on their web site. --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/