12 Nov
2003
12 Nov
'03
5:34 a.m.
I'd love to help but C is not one of my skills. Does anyone have
info about how to get simh to get
some flavor of TSB working?
Jay, I REALLY look forward to giving your emulator a spin when it's ready!
-Bob
Simh is one emulator that supposedly has some version
of TSB mostly
functioning.
I am working on an emulator specifically for TSB... but mine is about 6
months away from beta release. But if I could find some good unix C
programmers to help, it would be faster :)
Jay
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Subject: HP 2000 TSB simulated?? was: HP 2000 BASIC help / TREK73
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What steps are needed to get some semblance of hp
2000 tsb (either
2000F or ACCESS or whatever) running in an emulator?
I've been looking and hoping for something like this for a LONG time.
-Bob
> > "Pete Turnbull" <pete(a)dunnington.u-net.com> wrote:
> > What I really would like is an HP 2000 (2100?) emulator.
> > I've found Jeff Moffat's but not tried it yet. Is there anything
else
I should look for?
SIMH. If you run two instances of SIMH, you can actually run
HP 2000F TSB. It doesn't run perfectly, so there are still some
bugs to be exorcised. And it won't yet run HP 2000 Access. 
12 Nov
12 Nov
8:19 a.m.
Bob wrote....
Jay, I REALLY look forward to giving your emulator a
spin when it's ready!
Just to show how things change... right after sending you that email I went
into an IT meeting... seems I am to build a new datacenter and web/db
cluster, and have it online for production by Jan 1st. Time has just become
priceless :\ Someday I'll get back to the emulator *sigh*
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On Wednesday, November 12, 2003, at 01:19 PM, Jay West wrote:
Bob wrote....
Where are you Jay? Will you need some new Helpdesk Staff/Network
Admin/Computer
operator for your new datacenter??? :^)
Jay, I REALLY look forward to giving your
emulator a spin when it's
ready!
Just to show how things change... right after sending you that email I
went
into an IT meeting... seems I am to build a new datacenter
13 Nov
13 Nov
3:17 a.m.
Ron wrote....
Where are you Jay? Will you need some new Helpdesk
Staff/Network
Admin/Computer
operator for your new datacenter??? :^)
St. Louis. I'm doing this for a consulting client. I'm not sure if they will
need additional staff... they might. If so, it would be heavy apache
administration, and good IP&routing experience (clusters). FreeBSD of course
:)
J
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12 Nov
12 Nov
5 p.m.
New subject: Server flood soon
Microsoft is dropping support for NT server in January, and what I am
hearing from many sources is that ALL NT systems either go XP or out the door.
13 Nov
13 Nov
1:41 a.m.
New subject: Server flood soon
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Ford" <mikeford(a)socal.rr.com>
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic Posts Only" <cctech(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 2:30 PM
Subject: Server flood soon
Microsoft is dropping support for NT server in
January,
Is that NT4 Server or Win2k server or both?
(I thought NT4 support ceased some time back? Or was there some post SP6?
and what I am
hearing from many sources is that ALL NT systems either go XP or out the
door.
Seems unlikely. I'd say plenty will hang around for some time yet.
Particularly in
small business.
I'm sure Bill would like to see everyone immediately dump all their NT4
boxes for
XP Server and Intel would be overjoyed at a rush of buyers for new servers
capable
of handling the XP Server bloatware. Doesn't mean it will happen in a hurry
though...
Upside is some very nice home server systems might pop up on the surplus
market
as the well off corporate Lemmings race to obey the will of the Dark
Lord....
Geoff in Oz
2:26 a.m.
New subject: Server flood soon
At 23:11 13/11/2003 +1030, Geoff Roberts wrote:
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Ford" <mikeford(a)socal.rr.com>
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic Posts Only" <cctech(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 2:30 PM
Subject: Server flood soon
As a techie responsible for supporting a number of small businesses, I can
confirm this - while we have a few who run fairly recent versions of
Windows Server on modern kit, I can count at least as many whose entire
business still runs off machines which are almost on topic for this
list. Certainly we've lots of NT4 Server systems out there, some even
running on P1 boxes.
Is not long ago (like few months) we upgraded a 24 user (serial screens)
system because the MFM hard disc in the 386 based server had finally died...
and what I am
hearing from many sources is that ALL NT systems either go XP or out the
door.
Seems unlikely. I'd say plenty will hang around for some time yet.
Particularly in
small business.
I'm sure Bill would like to see everyone immediately dump all their NT4
boxes for
XP Server and Intel would be overjoyed at a rush of buyers for new servers
capable
of handling the XP Server bloatware. Doesn't mean it will happen in a hurry
though... Upside is some very nice home server systems might pop
up on the surplus
market
as the well off corporate Lemmings race to obey the will of the Dark
Lord....
Geoff in Oz
2:48 a.m.
New subject: Server flood soon
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rob O'Donnell" <classiccmp.org(a)irrelevant.fsnet.co.uk>
To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 11:56 PM
Subject: Re: Server flood soon
As a techie responsible for supporting a number of
small businesses, I can
confirm this - while we have a few who run fairly recent versions of
Windows Server on modern kit, I can count at least as many whose entire
business still runs off machines which are almost on topic for this
list. Certainly we've lots of NT4 Server systems out there, some even
running on P1 boxes.
Believe it or not, I'm about to install a s/h Fujitsu-Siemens with NT4
server for
a nursing home 5 user network. For $599 we got server with dual
P3-550/512Mb and
3 x 9Gb UW SCSI with RAID, 40Gb DLT Tape Drive, redundant supplies and
network card etc.
Add obsolete NT4+SP6 (off Ebay, dirt cheap - with licenses etc - al kosher)
Result is a nice little server that will more than cope with their miniscule
demand.
Hell, it would have cost nearly as much to buy a new tape drive to shove in
a
workstation.
Is not long ago (like few months) we upgraded a 24
user (serial screens)
system because the MFM hard disc in the 386 based server had finally
died...
Hmmmm, Xenix? A library perhaps?
I still support some Novell 3.12 and 4.11 servers running on 486 hardware,
though
not on MFM I must admit....LOL.
Geoff in Oz
8:12 a.m.
New subject: Server flood soon
At 00:18 14/11/2003 +1030, Geoff Roberts wrote:
In reply to me..
BOS, as it happens... a particularly old version of an accounts system
-http://www.global3000.com/ - which operates as it's own OS in those versions.
Is not long ago (like few months) we upgraded a
24 user (serial screens)
system because the MFM hard disc in the 386 based server had finally
died...
Hmmmm, Xenix? A library perhaps? I still support some Novell 3.12 and 4.11 servers
running on 486 hardware,
though
not on MFM I must admit....LOL.
Geoff in Oz
Oh and to answer some other posts, I don't particularly like Windows
either, but my esteemed employer flogs the Microsoft horse. At home, and
for the sidelines, everything other than the desktop, (i.e. fileserver, web
server, mail server etc) I run FreeBSD.
3:04 a.m.
New subject: Server flood soon
As a techie responsible for supporting a number of
small businesses, I can
confirm this - while we have a few who run fairly recent versions of
Windows Server on modern kit, I can count at least as many whose entire
business still runs off machines which are almost on topic for this
list. Certainly we've lots of NT4 Server systems out there, some even
running on P1 boxes.
My computer in my "day job" office is a PII something running Windows NT 4.
*shudder* Running back to my home Macintosh has become a real relief ;)
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3:07 a.m.
New subject: Server flood soon
Microsoft is dropping support for NT server in
January,
I have a hard time beliveing that. there's a huge market
pressure (from big time customers) to extend it. Also
you should mention what version you are talking about,
From my understanding you're talking about NT 4.0.
Now
the meinstream support for NT4 already ended last year,
while the extended lifecycle still goes thru 12/04, thus
not ending next January, but one year later.
And then there are the individual extensions done thereafter,
aka unofficial service packs.
If you are talking Win2K, then Mainstream is until 03/05,
and extended support until 03/07. After all, there's still
no XP Sever anounced, although, the mainstream support of
XP is ment to end already in 2006 !
and what I am hearing from many sources is that ALL
NT
systems either go XP or out the door.
Nost machines now running NT4 are capable to do W2K without
any problem and no big difference in Performance (in fact,
in a lot of cases it may even perform better).
And last but not least, we are talking upscaled PCs here,
who realy wants to have them? Every new single CPU PC will
outperform them, and ecpt for windows there's no real OS
available. Naa, no geek value here. The only MS iniciated
date where interesting machines became obsolete was 2001,
when the Alpha Version of NT4 was finaly canned.
Gruss
H.
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5:10 a.m.
New subject: Server flood soon
On Wed, 12 Nov 2003, Mike Ford wrote:
Microsoft is dropping support for NT server in
January, and what I am
hearing from many sources is that ALL NT systems either go XP or out the door.
...or they go Linux.
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5:11 a.m.
New subject: OT: Re: Server flood soon
Mike wrote:
Microsoft is dropping support for NT server in
January,
and what I am hearing from many sources is that ALL NT
systems either go XP or out the door.
Although I seriously doubt Microsoft is
dropping their W2K
product this early (they just dropped NT 4.0 ..), I am quite
sure many, if not most, of their customers are not ready for
a move to W2K3/NET yet, especially not in the enterprise.
Anyway, back to pre-Win computers we go, since its OT.
Fred
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