13 Apr
2001
13 Apr
'01
12:03 p.m.
I guess if the early 1970's counts as fairly late, anyway... I can't speak
for the 60's, but in the early 70's Samsonite (yes, the suitcase people) had
a plant in Englewood making an 18 bit minicomputer. They called the company
Electronic Processors, Inc. Colorado is more of a semiconductor fabrication
area, really... Though I'm sure most people on this list will recognize
Otrona...
Will J
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13 Apr
13 Apr
1:56 p.m.
On Fri, 13 Apr 2001, Will Jennings wrote:
I guess if the early 1970's counts as fairly late,
anyway... I can't speak
for the 60's, but in the early 70's Samsonite (yes, the suitcase people) had
a plant in Englewood making an 18 bit minicomputer. They called the company
Electronic Processors, Inc. Colorado is more of a semiconductor fabrication
area, really... Though I'm sure most people on this list will recognize
Otrona...
Will J
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Seems like Storage Technology hung around that neck of the woods also.
- don
4:07 p.m.
Quantum, Western Digital, Seagate, Maxtor, Exabyte, HP, and a handful of others
are all in the storage (mainly rotating memories) business with major plants in
the Colorado front range area. The move to this area came about in the 90's.
There have been several other MAJOR companies not in the semiconductor
manufacturing business located here.
It's easy to oversimplify.
Dick
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From: "Don Maslin" <donm(a)cts.com>
To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 4:56 PM
Subject: Re: Places in Denver
On Fri, 13 Apr 2001, Will Jennings wrote:
I guess if the early 1970's counts as fairly
late, anyway... I can't speak
for the 60's, but in the early 70's Samsonite (yes, the suitcase people) had
a plant in Englewood making an 18 bit minicomputer. They called the company
Electronic Processors, Inc. Colorado is more of a semiconductor fabrication
area, really... Though I'm sure most people on this list will recognize
Otrona...
Will J
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Seems like Storage Technology hung around that neck of the woods also.
- don
4:16 p.m.
I think many will recognize NBI, DENELCOR (rip), Cadnetix, and Solbourne.
Dick
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From: "Will Jennings" <xds_sigma7(a)hotmail.com>
To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 3:03 PM
Subject: Re: Places in Denver
I guess if the early 1970's counts as fairly late,
anyway... I can't speak
for the 60's, but in the early 70's Samsonite (yes, the suitcase people) had
a plant in Englewood making an 18 bit minicomputer. They called the company
Electronic Processors, Inc. Colorado is more of a semiconductor fabrication
area, really... Though I'm sure most people on this list will recognize
Otrona...
Will J
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14 Apr
14 Apr
6:04 a.m.
On Fri, 13 Apr 2001, Will Jennings wrote:
I guess if the early 1970's counts as fairly late,
anyway... I can't
speak for the 60's, but in the early 70's Samsonite (yes, the suitcase
people) had a plant in Englewood making an 18 bit minicomputer. They
called the company Electronic Processors, Inc. Colorado is more of a
semiconductor fabrication area, really... Though I'm sure most people
on this list will recognize Otrona...
Cool! Singer also made computers in the early 70s. I have a bare PCB cut
in half with a Singer label on it. I wonder if any complete machines
survived?
Do you have any Samsonite computers, Will?
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8:10 a.m.
New subject: DECmate II stuff
Since we have so many DEC enthusiasts on this list, I was
wondering if anyone had any of the OS's for the DECmate II on RX50
disks? I have WPS and the APU board with CP/M but would like to get
some of the other OS variants for the machine. Other than the APU
option, it also has both the hard disk and color graphics option
boards. Was there ever much of anything that took advantage of the
color graphics board?
Thanks
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2:40 p.m.
On Sat, 14 Apr 2001, Tony Duell wrote:
Friden also made calculators until Singer bought them out sometime in the
late 60s and then proceeded to run the unit into the ground :)
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Cool! Singer
also made computers in the early 70s. I have a bare PCB cut
I've got some bits of a desktop calculator somewhere that's badged
'Singer Friden'. I assuem the Friden name (at least) is related to the
company that made the Flexowriter, but who bought whom and when I have no
idea. 
17 Apr
17 Apr
2:21 p.m.
+AD4- Cool+ACE- Singer also made computers in the early 70s. I have a bare PCB cut
Don't forget those flight simulators+ACE-. They were 1/2 articulation platform,
1/2 custom built computer. I was actually the SGI system manager (among
other tasks) for the installation in Link Flight APO, Sunnyvale.
The Singer-Link Flight simulator was on the order or 6' x 6 cabinets all the
way to the early1990's. BTW that particular computer plant (there were
others) was closed three years after they put in the Silicon Graphics
machines. Co-Incidence? I think not+ACEAIQ-
John A.
15 Apr
15 Apr
4:01 a.m.
New subject: Singer
Cool! Singer also made computers in the early 70s. I
have a bare PCB cut
in half with a Singer label on it. I wonder if any complete machines
survived?
Do you have any Samsonite computers, Will?
Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival
Anyone else out there ever see a Singer System 10... this caused
some legal action which made DEC label the KL's DECsystem10 and
DECsystem20's.
I saw one run when I left DEC for TRW... The OS was not a pretty picture
when you were used to the english-like DEC OS's.
Bill
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6:02 a.m.
New subject: Singer
Singer has divisions and the Singer-Kearfott div makes electronics, avioincs
and computers. They made the digital-analog convertor for the AGM-69A Short
Range Attack Missile I worked on. Stewart Warner (guages) made the radar
unit and AC/Delco made the actual computer.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
[mailto:owner-classiccmp@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Bill Pechter
Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2001 8:02 AM
To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
Subject: Singer
Cool! Singer also made computers in the early
70s. I have a
bare PCB cut
in half with a Singer label on it. I wonder if
any complete machines
survived?
Do you have any Samsonite computers, Will?
Sellam Ismail Vintage
Computer Festival
Anyone else out there ever see a Singer System 10... this caused
some legal action which made DEC label the KL's DECsystem10 and
DECsystem20's.
I saw one run when I left DEC for TRW... The OS was not a pretty picture
when you were used to the english-like DEC OS's.
Bill
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1:32 p.m.
New subject: Singer
On Sun, 15 Apr 2001, Russ Blakeman wrote:
Singer has divisions and the Singer-Kearfott div makes
electronics,
avioincs and computers. They made the digital-analog convertor for the
AGM-69A Short Range Attack Missile I worked on. Stewart Warner
(guages) made the radar unit and AC/Delco made the actual computer.
Does Singer-Kearfott still make computers for military purposes? You
speak of this as if it is present tense.
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4:36 p.m.
New subject: Singer
I believe they make all sorts, I know they make avionics products still but
not sure if they are still part of the missile components. I was speaking
past tense in the sense of he AGM-69A, which for the most part is retired
other than some boosters they stored for testing. We sent our whle fleet of
125 boosters in Wichita to an Oklahoma ammo depot in 95 for destruction, the
year I retired. The last thing I did as shop chief was to sign the bill of
lading for the last load.
-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:owner-classiccmp@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Sellam Ismail
Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2001 5:32 PM
To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
Subject: RE: Singer
On Sun, 15 Apr 2001, Russ Blakeman wrote:
Singer has divisions and the Singer-Kearfott div
makes electronics,
avioincs and computers. They made the digital-analog convertor for the
AGM-69A Short Range Attack Missile I worked on. Stewart Warner
(guages) made the radar unit and AC/Delco made the actual computer.
Does Singer-Kearfott still make computers for military purposes? You
speak of this as if it is present tense.
Sellam Ismail Vintage
Computer Festival
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4:40 p.m.
New subject: Singer
Just did a quick search and it seems that Kearfott has been a division of
Astronotics Corp of America since '88...news to me. Found it at their info
page at http://www.kearfott.com/corpinf.htm
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[mailto:owner-classiccmp@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Sellam Ismail
Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2001 5:32 PM
To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
Subject: RE: Singer
On Sun, 15 Apr 2001, Russ Blakeman wrote:
Singer has divisions and the Singer-Kearfott div
makes electronics,
avioincs and computers. They made the digital-analog convertor for the
AGM-69A Short Range Attack Missile I worked on. Stewart Warner
(guages) made the radar unit and AC/Delco made the actual computer.
Does Singer-Kearfott still make computers for military purposes? You
speak of this as if it is present tense.
Sellam Ismail Vintage
Computer Festival
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3:43 p.m.
New subject: Singer
On Sun, 15 Apr 2001, Russ Blakeman wrote:
Singer has divisions and the Singer-Kearfott div makes
electronics, avioincs
and computers. They made the digital-analog convertor for the AGM-69A Short
Range Attack Missile I worked on. Stewart Warner (guages) made the radar
unit and AC/Delco made the actual computer.
Not to mention the Singer/Link Simulations Division which was located
just south of Binghamton, NY on I81. Made flight simulators for such
things as the F4 fighter. A major loss when it was deliberately run
into the ground and then dumped on an unwitting Canadian company.
bill
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4:31 p.m.
New subject: Singer
On Sun, 15 Apr 2001, Russ Blakeman wrote:
Not to mention the Singer/Link Simulations Division which was located
just south of Binghamton, NY on I81. Made flight simulators for such
things as the F4 fighter. A major loss when it was deliberately run
into the ground and then dumped on an unwitting Canadian company.
Not to mention the fact that Link provided flight simulators long
before the F-4, at least back to the early 1940's.
Jeff
4:36 p.m.
New subject: Singer
Been in quite a few Link trainers myself through 20 in the AF but it didn't
dawn on me that Link was part of Singer.
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From: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
[mailto:owner-classiccmp@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Bill Gunshannon
Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2001 7:43 PM
To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
Subject: RE: Singer
On Sun, 15 Apr 2001, Russ Blakeman wrote:
Singer has divisions and the Singer-Kearfott div
makes
electronics, avioincs
and computers. They made the digital-analog
convertor for the
AGM-69A Short
Range Attack Missile I worked on. Stewart Warner
(guages) made the radar
unit and AC/Delco made the actual computer.
Not to mention the Singer/Link Simulations Division which was located
just south of Binghamton, NY on I81. Made flight simulators for such
things as the F4 fighter. A major loss when it was deliberately run
into the ground and then dumped on an unwitting Canadian company.
bill
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10:43 p.m.
New subject: Singer
Not to mention the Singer/Link Simulations Division
which was located
just south of Binghamton, NY on I81. Made flight simulators for such
things as the F4 fighter. A major loss when it was deliberately run
into the ground and then dumped on an unwitting Canadian company.
bill
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Most of 'em used to use Interdata (Perkin-Elmer) (Concurrent)
computers in the simulators including the 3230, 3250 and 3260.
These were also used in the space shuttle simulator and simulators built
by others.
I had the pleasure of doing training for these folks at Concurrent at
the beginning of my post-DEC career. They knew those machines inside
and out and could wring every last bit of performance out of 'em.
Boeing used Vax systems in their simulators.
The Interdata/Perkin-Elmer/Concurrent boxes were very IBM 360 like
and their software tools were way behind DEC stuff, but their price
performance beat DEC on the 32 bit end... for the hardware.
Boy, were their tools primitive compared with DEC.
--Bill
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16 Apr
16 Apr
3:11 p.m.
New subject: Singer
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Pechter" <pechter(a)pechter.dyndns.org>
To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2001 5:13 PM
Subject: Re: Singer
Boeing used Vax systems in their simulators.
Looks like Lockheed did too.
The P3 Orion simulator at RAAF Edinburgh (just out of Adelaide) uses a
herd of large Vaxen (8xxx series I think)
I believe it runs VMS and a custom written software package.
I've driven the simulator itself several times now, but never had a
chance to visit the machine
room, just a glimpse as we went past. I've promised myself that my next
posting there I will make it.
(Probably for a couple of weeks in June or July - depending what courses
we are running there at the time.)
If I do, I will see if I can get permission to take some pics of the
systems in operation, AFAIK, nothing
in there is classified except for the simulator software itself. This
is probably one of the last big Vax farms still
in current use, so some documentation is probably appropriate.
The simulator itself is a P3 cockpit on hydraulic stilts, and is
sufficiently realistic to make you airsick.
The view is night only, but it's very convincing. Only indication of
the systems attached to
it is the VT320 at the sim supervisors station just inside the door on
the left, with a curtain to hide it from the 'pilots'.
OT Background:
Edinburgh is the home of 10 and 11 Squadrons RAAF, which operate P3's in
the maritime surveillance role.
Commander, Maritime Patrol Group is the most senior RAAF officer in
South Australia, and whilst theoretically a Group Captain's position,
(~Full Colonel) it is normally held by an Air Commodore (~1 star
General)
Cheers
(Quick hat change)
FLGOFF (AIRTC) Geoff Roberts
Officer Commanding
No. 14 (City of Port Pirie) Flight
S.A. Squadron
Air Training Corps
geoffrob(a)stmarks.pp.catholic.edu.au
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4:31 p.m.
New subject: Singer
Last I heard the US Navy had the same P-# Orion simulators up at Keflavik.
They did when I was stationed there from 80 to 82 and I was surprised to
hear that they are still there.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
[mailto:owner-classiccmp@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Geoff Roberts
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2001 7:12 PM
To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
Subject: Re: Singer
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Pechter" <pechter(a)pechter.dyndns.org>
To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2001 5:13 PM
Subject: Re: Singer
Boeing used Vax systems in their simulators.
Looks like Lockheed did too.
The P3 Orion simulator at RAAF Edinburgh (just out of Adelaide) uses a
herd of large Vaxen (8xxx series I think)
I believe it runs VMS and a custom written software package.
I've driven the simulator itself several times now, but never had a
chance to visit the machine
room, just a glimpse as we went past. I've promised myself that my next
posting there I will make it.
(Probably for a couple of weeks in June or July - depending what courses
we are running there at the time.)
If I do, I will see if I can get permission to take some pics of the
systems in operation, AFAIK, nothing
in there is classified except for the simulator software itself. This
is probably one of the last big Vax farms still
in current use, so some documentation is probably appropriate.
The simulator itself is a P3 cockpit on hydraulic stilts, and is
sufficiently realistic to make you airsick.
The view is night only, but it's very convincing. Only indication of
the systems attached to
it is the VT320 at the sim supervisors station just inside the door on
the left, with a curtain to hide it from the 'pilots'.
OT Background:
Edinburgh is the home of 10 and 11 Squadrons RAAF, which operate P3's in
the maritime surveillance role.
Commander, Maritime Patrol Group is the most senior RAAF officer in
South Australia, and whilst theoretically a Group Captain's position,
(~Full Colonel) it is normally held by an Air Commodore (~1 star
General)
Cheers
(Quick hat change)
FLGOFF (AIRTC) Geoff Roberts
Officer Commanding
No. 14 (City of Port Pirie) Flight
S.A. Squadron
Air Training Corps
geoffrob(a)stmarks.pp.catholic.edu.au
ICQ: 1970476
4:44 p.m.
New subject: Singer
----- Original Message -----
From: "Russ Blakeman" <rhblake(a)bigfoot.com>
To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2001 11:01 AM
Subject: RE: Singer
Last I heard the US Navy had the same P-# Orion
simulators up at
Keflavik.
They did when I was stationed there from 80 to 82 and
I was surprised
to
hear that they are still there.
My understanding from speaking to the 'locals' is that it's still
easier/cheaper to keep it going in its present form than to rehash it
to work on something more modern/compact, since it would require new
interface hardware, as
modern machines don't have the bus support for the existing interfaces.
(IIRC, UNIBUS cards
control the simulator hardware) The software would also require
significant re-writing to correctly drive
new hardware, not to mention the design cost of the new interfaces
themselves. Way cheaper to just
keep it going.
Cheers
Geoff
5:02 p.m.
New subject: Singer
Last I heard the US Navy had the same P-# Orion
simulators up at Keflavik.
They did when I was stationed there from 80 to 82 and I was surprised to
hear that they are still there.
It would stand to reason though that at least some of them
would remain in use as long as the Orion itself is kept in the active
inventory.
Jeff
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5:29 p.m.
New subject: Singer
Wasn';t the plane the Chinese messed up a P-3 ???
-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:owner-classiccmp@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Jeff Hellige
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2001 9:03 PM
To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
Subject: RE: Singer
Last I heard the US Navy had the same P-# Orion
simulators up at
Keflavik.
They did when I was stationed there from 80 to 82
and I was surprised to
hear that they are still there.
It would stand to reason though that at least some of them
would remain in use as long as the Orion itself is kept in the active
inventory.
Jeff
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5:47 p.m.
New subject: Singer
A variant of it. There are quite a few P-3's in Patuxent
River, MD as well as Iceland and other areas. Their main role was as
a sub chaser, but they were adapted for other roles as well.
Jeff
Wasn';t the plane the Chinese messed up a P-3 ???
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
> [mailto:owner-classiccmp@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Jeff Hellige
> Sent: Monday, April 16, 2001 9:03 PM
> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
> Subject: RE: Singer
>
>
> >Last I heard the US Navy had the same P-# Orion simulators up at
> Keflavik.
> >They did when I was stationed there from 80 to 82 and I was surprised to
> >hear that they are still there.
>
> It would stand to reason though that at least some of them
> would remain in use as long as the Orion itself is kept in the active
> inventory.
>
> Jeff
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5:42 p.m.
New subject: Singer [TaDa!]
>Last I heard the US Navy had the same P-# Orion
simulators up at
Keflavik.
They did when I
was stationed there from 80 to 82 and I was surprised to
hear that they are still there.
It would stand to reason though that at least some of them
would remain in use as long as the Orion itself is kept in the active
inventory. 
18 Apr
18 Apr
7:36 a.m.
New subject: Singer
On Sun, 15 Apr 2001 09:01:34 -0400 (EDT) Bill Pechter
<pechter(a)pechter.dyndns.org> wrote:
Anyone else out there ever see a Singer System 10...
I don't, but I did go to a job interview at a company in
Tiptree, Essex, England where they had one, in about 1988.
I read later that the Singer System 10 was an early RISC
machine, although it's not clear that Singer designed it
with the knowledge that making it RISC would make it
faster. It may have simply been a minimal CPU design that
came out RISC-like in hindsight. Anyone know any more
details?
--
John Honniball
Email: John.Honniball(a)uwe.ac.uk
University of the West of England
19 Apr
19 Apr
11:38 p.m.
New subject: Singer
I have a couple of System 10 manuals.
The machine is described as "The System 10 is a multi-programming system
capable of executing twent independant programs... The System 10 utilises as
new approach, the is no executive program, all executive functions are
performed by hardware.
Each program is assigned a fixed block of memory referred to as the user
partition. A system 10 may contain up to 20 such partitions. In addition
there is a common partition shared by all programs.
Main memory is comprised of core modules of 10,000 locations, and each
location contains one 6 bit word. System 10 may contain a maximum of
110,000 locations.
The maximum partition size is 10,000 locations, and the common area must be
at least 1,000 locations. The max size of common is 10k in the Model 20 and
65k in the Model 21
Not much programming detail in the manuals I have, I suspect there was a
programmers guide also available.
Kevin
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From: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
[mailto:owner-classiccmp@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of John Honniball
Sent: 18 April 2001 17:37
To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
Subject: Re: Singer
On Sun, 15 Apr 2001 09:01:34 -0400 (EDT) Bill Pechter
<pechter(a)pechter.dyndns.org> wrote:
Anyone else out there ever see a Singer System 10...
I don't, but I did go to a job interview at a company in
Tiptree, Essex, England where they had one, in about 1988.
I read later that the Singer System 10 was an early RISC
machine, although it's not clear that Singer designed it
with the knowledge that making it RISC would make it
faster. It may have simply been a minimal CPU design that
came out RISC-like in hindsight. Anyone know any more
details?
--
John Honniball
Email: John.Honniball(a)uwe.ac.uk
University of the West of England
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