The toaster people can point at the vacuum cleaner collectors. Although the vacuum guys do have conventions and competitions with their collections, not unlike the VCF :) (Saw it once on The Daily Show) -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ]