13 Aug
2016
13 Aug
'16
5:07 a.m.
From: Rod Smallwood
Please register interest in ... PDP-11 panels
It will depend on price - will they be the same as the PDP-8 panels (since
they are so similar)? If so, can you remind us of the pricing, please? If
not, any estimate?
I assume you'll eventually be doing all of them (/35, /40, /45, /50, /55, /70
- both variants), but the order will depend on interest? Do you have a /20
panel scan/measurements, to do that one too? If there is any interest in
/05-/10 panels, I have one and can scan it.
I can't recall any other models with front panels? (Well, the /74, but IIRC
there are none of those extant outside museums - although people might want
some for simulators.)
Noel
13 Aug
13 Aug
6:20 a.m.
On 13 August 2016 at 08:07, Noel Chiappa <jnc at mercury.lcs.mit.edu> wrote:
I can't recall any other models with front panels?
(Well, the /74, but IIRC
there are none of those extant outside museums - although people might want
some for simulators.)
The whole list of PDP-11 models with any sort of front panel beyond
just an on/off switch is:
11/20 (11/15)
11/05 (11/10)
11/40 (11/35)
11/45 (11/50, 11/55)
11/70 (11/74)
11/34 (11/04, 11/34A) --- "Calculator" style panel (like an 8/A)
11/60 --- "Calculator" style panel.
I've put OEM machines, and machines that are otherwise identical, or
nearly so in parens. The '45 and '50 panels are the same except for
the number, while the '55 panel is painted completely differently. The
same goes for the '70 versus '74 panels: Same indicators and
everything, just completely different paint job.
The panel on the '74 is almost exactly like a standard '70 panel, just
its in "blue" (i.e. like the DECdatasystem-570 that Dave McGuire
owns). Compare:
11/74:
<https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-MgQBlTQEbso/Tis2KYplLSI/AAAAAAAAAEE/kqhLKWEimX8/s1280/castor-running.jpg>
11/70: <http://www.neurotica.com/w/images/5/58/DEC-PDP1170-KB11C-7.jpg>
The only other major difference between the '70 and '74 panels is that
the '74 uses the "chiclet" switches as on the '05/'10 instead of
the
"normal" triangular plastic ones you find on a standard '70.
There's also different coloured versions for many of the panels too.
E.g. there's a brown-and-white '70 panel used in OEM typesetting
systems by CSI Systems (if I recall right). There's a blue-and-red '40
panel sold by DEC in their "INDUSTRIAL-11" version. A photo exists
showing an 11/20 and an 8/e in "labratory" green (i.e. the LAB-8/e
colour scheme).
With regards to the 11/74, last I heard there were no machines extant.
Apparently there's an 11/74 panel plexiglass "floating around", but I
don't recall who owns it.
As an aside thought: I'd love to see a "blue" 11/70 or an 11/74 panel
running with either blue LEDs or white LEDs. That would probably look
very nice? hopefully Rob will do a one of those panels because that
sounds like a fun project.
Cheers,
Christian
--
Christian M. Gauger-Cosgrove
STCKON08DS0
Contact information available upon request.
7:23 a.m.
On 13/08/2016 14:20, Christian Gauger-Cosgrove wrote:
On 13 August 2016 at 08:07, Noel Chiappa <jnc at
mercury.lcs.mit.edu> wrote:
Thank you very much that's a mine of information.
Most Helpful
Rod (Panelman) Smallwood
I can't recall any other models with front
panels? (Well, the /74, but IIRC
there are none of those extant outside museums - although people might want
some for simulators.)
The whole list of PDP-11 models with any sort of front panel beyond
just an on/off switch is:
11/20 (11/15)
11/05 (11/10)
11/40 (11/35)
11/45 (11/50, 11/55)
11/70 (11/74)
11/34 (11/04, 11/34A) --- "Calculator" style panel (like an 8/A)
11/60 --- "Calculator" style panel.
I've put OEM machines, and
machines that are otherwise identical, or
nearly so in parens. The '45 and '50 panels are the same except for
the number, while the '55 panel is painted completely differently. The
same goes for the '70 versus '74 panels: Same indicators and
everything, just completely different paint job.
The panel on the '74 is almost exactly like a standard '70 panel, just
its in "blue" (i.e. like the DECdatasystem-570 that Dave McGuire
owns). Compare:
11/74:
<https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-MgQBlTQEbso/Tis2KYplLSI/AAAAAAAAAEE/kqhLKWEimX8/s1280/castor-running.jpg>
11/70: <http://www.neurotica.com/w/images/5/58/DEC-PDP1170-KB11C-7.jpg>
The only other major difference between the '70 and '74 panels is that
the '74 uses the "chiclet" switches as on the '05/'10 instead of
the
"normal" triangular plastic ones you find on a standard '70.
There's also different coloured versions for many of the panels too.
E.g. there's a brown-and-white '70 panel used in OEM typesetting
systems by CSI Systems (if I recall right). There's a blue-and-red '40
panel sold by DEC in their "INDUSTRIAL-11" version. A photo exists
showing an 11/20 and an 8/e in "labratory" green (i.e. the LAB-8/e
colour scheme).
With regards to the 11/74, last I heard there were no machines extant.
Apparently there's an 11/74 panel plexiglass "floating around", but I
don't recall who owns it.
As an aside thought: I'd love to see a "blue" 11/70 or an 11/74 panel
running with either blue LEDs or white LEDs. That would probably look
very nice? hopefully Rob will do a one of those panels because that
sounds like a fun project.
Cheers,
Christian
11:32 a.m.
On 8/13/2016 6:20 AM, Christian Gauger-Cosgrove wrote:
On 13 August 2016 at 08:07, Noel Chiappa <jnc at
mercury.lcs.mit.edu> wrote:
Like this maybe: http://www.ak6dn.com/stuff/1174.jpg
This is a 'true' 11/74 panel from the never-production variation of the 11/74,
with CIS.
Not just a relabeled/recolored 11/70 panel. Note the additional LEDs on the
right hand side.
AFAIK no front panel exists that mates with this plexiglass.
I also have a complete DEC DataSystem-570 panel (frame, plex, switches) which is
just
a standard 11/70 panel, but recolored in light blue / dark blue / gray color
scheme.
Don
I can't recall any other models with front
panels? (Well, the /74, but IIRC
there are none of those extant outside museums - although people might want
some for simulators.)
The whole list of PDP-11 models with any sort of front panel beyond
just an on/off switch is:
11/20 (11/15)
11/05 (11/10)
11/40 (11/35)
11/45 (11/50, 11/55)
11/70 (11/74)
11/34 (11/04, 11/34A) --- "Calculator" style panel (like an 8/A)
11/60 --- "Calculator" style panel.
I've put OEM machines, and
machines that are otherwise identical, or
nearly so in parens. The '45 and '50 panels are the same except for
the number, while the '55 panel is painted completely differently. The
same goes for the '70 versus '74 panels: Same indicators and
everything, just completely different paint job.
The panel on the '74 is almost exactly like a standard '70 panel, just
its in "blue" (i.e. like the DECdatasystem-570 that Dave McGuire
owns). Compare:
11/74:
<https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-MgQBlTQEbso/Tis2KYplLSI/AAAAAAAAAEE/kqhLKWEimX8/s1280/castor-running.jpg>
11/70: <http://www.neurotica.com/w/images/5/58/DEC-PDP1170-KB11C-7.jpg>
The only other major difference between the '70 and '74 panels is that
the '74 uses the "chiclet" switches as on the '05/'10 instead of
the
"normal" triangular plastic ones you find on a standard '70.
There's also different coloured versions for many of the panels too.
E.g. there's a brown-and-white '70 panel used in OEM typesetting
systems by CSI Systems (if I recall right). There's a blue-and-red '40
panel sold by DEC in their "INDUSTRIAL-11" version. A photo exists
showing an 11/20 and an 8/e in "labratory" green (i.e. the LAB-8/e
colour scheme).
With regards to the 11/74, last I heard there were no machines extant.
Apparently there's an 11/74 panel plexiglass "floating around", but I
don't recall who owns it. 
As an aside thought: I'd love to see a "blue" 11/70 or an 11/74 panel
running with either blue LEDs or white LEDs. That would probably look
very nice? hopefully Rob will do a one of those panels because that
sounds like a fun project.
Cheers,
Christian
11:43 a.m.
On 13/08/2016 19:32, Don North wrote:
On 8/13/2016 6:20 AM, Christian Gauger-Cosgrove
wrote:
Thank you all very much. I'm collating all of this most useful data.
Regards
Rod (Panelman) Smallwood
On 13 August 2016 at 08:07, Noel Chiappa <jnc
at mercury.lcs.mit.edu>
wrote:
Like this maybe: http://www.ak6dn.com/stuff/1174.jpg
This is a 'true' 11/74 panel from the never-production variation of
the 11/74, with CIS.
Not just a relabeled/recolored 11/70 panel. Note the additional LEDs
on the right hand side.
AFAIK no front panel exists that mates with this plexiglass.
I also have a complete DEC DataSystem-570 panel (frame, plex,
switches) which is just
a standard 11/70 panel, but recolored in light blue / dark blue /
gray color scheme.
Don
I can't recall any other models with front
panels? (Well, the /74,
but IIRC
there are none of those extant outside museums - although people
might want
some for simulators.)
The whole list of PDP-11 models with any sort of front panel beyond
just an on/off switch is:
11/20 (11/15)
11/05 (11/10)
11/40 (11/35)
11/45 (11/50, 11/55)
11/70 (11/74)
11/34 (11/04, 11/34A) --- "Calculator" style panel (like an 8/A)
11/60 --- "Calculator" style panel.
I've put OEM machines, and
machines that are otherwise identical, or
nearly so in parens. The '45 and '50 panels are the same except for
the number, while the '55 panel is painted completely differently. The
same goes for the '70 versus '74 panels: Same indicators and
everything, just completely different paint job.
The panel on the '74 is almost exactly like a standard '70 panel, just
its in "blue" (i.e. like the DECdatasystem-570 that Dave McGuire
owns). Compare:
11/74:
<https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-MgQBlTQEbso/Tis2KYplLSI/AAAAAAAAAEE/kqhLKWEimX8/s1280/castor-running.jpg>
11/70: <http://www.neurotica.com/w/images/5/58/DEC-PDP1170-KB11C-7.jpg>
The only other major difference between the '70 and '74 panels is that
the '74 uses the "chiclet" switches as on the '05/'10 instead of
the
"normal" triangular plastic ones you find on a standard '70.
There's also different coloured versions for many of the panels too.
E.g. there's a brown-and-white '70 panel used in OEM typesetting
systems by CSI Systems (if I recall right). There's a blue-and-red '40
panel sold by DEC in their "INDUSTRIAL-11" version. A photo exists
showing an 11/20 and an 8/e in "labratory" green (i.e. the LAB-8/e
colour scheme).
With regards to the 11/74, last I heard there were no machines extant.
Apparently there's an 11/74 panel plexiglass "floating around", but I
don't recall who owns it.
As an aside thought: I'd love to see a "blue" 11/70 or an 11/74 panel
running with either blue LEDs or white LEDs. That would probably look
very nice? hopefully Rob will do a one of those panels because that
sounds like a fun project.
Cheers,
Christian
14 Aug
14 Aug
7:25 p.m.
On Sat, Aug 13, 2016 at 07:43:21PM +0100, Rod Smallwood wrote:
Thank you all very much. I'm collating all of this
most useful data.
I think I have sent you this:
http://pdp8.se/slask/front_paneler
Not complete but it has som odd color variations and OEM version. It has
the chocolaty csis1170.jpg for instance.
/P
7:48 p.m.
On 15/08/2016 03:25, Pontus Pihlgren wrote:
On Sat, Aug 13, 2016 at 07:43:21PM +0100, Rod
Smallwood wrote:
Hi
Most interesting.
Thanks
Rod (Panelman) Smallwood
Thank you all very much. I'm collating all of
this most useful data.
I think I have sent you this:
http://pdp8.se/slask/front_paneler
Not complete but it has som odd color variations and OEM version. It has
the chocolaty csis1170.jpg for instance.
/P
13 Aug
13 Aug
1:43 p.m.
On 13 August 2016 at 14:32, Don North <north at alum.mit.edu> wrote:
Like this maybe:
http://www.ak6dn.com/stuff/1174.jpg
Yes, exactly that one! Based on the rest of your e-mail I'm guessing
it's yours, right? Any chance you could get a higher res scan of it?
This is a 'true' 11/74 panel from the
never-production variation of the
11/74, with CIS.
Not just a relabeled/recolored 11/70 panel. Note the additional LEDs on the
right hand side.
AFAIK no front panel exists that mates with this plexiglass.
Yeah, I can see that your panel is different from the other 11/74
panel. The 11/74 panel I linked was one of the four CPUs (CPU C as the
green sticker shows, and giant painted "C" indicates) of DEC's DAEMON
system (apparently it might also have been called PHEANX?) quad
processor setup.
More pictures here for people to oggle and drool over:
<http://oboguev.livejournal.com/2696291.html>
It looks like your 11/74 panel might have been designed for a mounting
similar to the other 11/74 (we'll call it DAEMON-type) panel mounting
(same visual style and colour scheme) which is distinctly different
from the standard 11/70 mounting (though the DAEMON
panels all follow
the same general layout as an 11/70), though the actual mating
PCB
would have been different, since the keylock and parity lights have
swapped places and the display indicator LEDs have been re-arranged.
I also have a complete DEC DataSystem-570 panel
(frame, plex, switches)
which is just
a standard 11/70 panel, but recolored in light blue / dark blue / gray
color scheme.
This might or might not be blasphemous to some, but I think the
DDS-570 colour scheme looks much nicer than the standard PDP-11 colour
scheme.
Hmm, now I'm wondering how close of a match the "business system" blue
PDP-11/7x models match up against DEC's other blue coloured systems;
i.e. KL10s of the DECsystem-10xx flavour, PDP-15s, and the alternate
blue-coloured PDP-12
(<http://www.technikum29.de/shared/photos/rechnertechnik/dec/konsole,hell.jpg>).
Actually speaking of the KL10, I forgot about the fact it's front-end
processor was a PDP-11/40 with an alternate colour scheme panel.
Cheers,
Christian
--
Christian M. Gauger-Cosgrove
STCKON08DS0
Contact information available upon request.
7:29 a.m.
On 13/08/2016 13:07, Noel Chiappa wrote:
Yes the same for PDP-11 front panels as PDP-8
$150 per panel $20 shipping to US. For stock panels
Large, one off and custom panels please ask me.
Rod (Panelman) Smallwood
From: Rod
Smallwood
Please register interest in ... PDP-11 panels
It will depend on price - will they be the same as the PDP-8 panels (since
they are so similar)? If so, can you remind us of the pricing, please? If
not, any estimate?
I assume you'll eventually be doing all of them (/35, /40, /45, /50, /55, /70
- both variants), but the order will depend on interest? Do you have a /20
panel scan/measurements, to do that one too? If there is any interest in
/05-/10 panels, I have one and can scan it.
I can't recall any other models with front panels? (Well, the /74, but IIRC
there are none of those extant outside museums - although people might want
some for simulators.)
Noel
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