This has been happening to me for months, regularly about every two weeks. It happened again today. Regards Rob

On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 3:54 PM, Fred Cisin <cisin at xenosoft.com> wrote: ^^^ Mis-attributed; I (Charles) said that, and I have no data to go on -- pure speculation. -- Charles

Gmail routinely marks these emails as spam. And Gmail clearly says: " It has a from address in aol.com but has failed aol.com's required tests for authentication." Digging deeper into the header one finds: "Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org designates 199.188.211.196 as permitted sender) client-ip=199.188.211.196; Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; dkim=neutral (body hash did not verify) header.i=(a)mx.aol.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org designates 199.188.211.196 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org; dmarc=fail (p=REJECT dis=NONE) header.from=aol.com" I'm no expert on dmarc, but that looks to be the source of the pain.

Not here, but my mailswerver doesn't rigidly enforce SPF. -- ------------------------------------ personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ -- Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckaiser at floodgap.com -- Roger Waters, orthopaedist: "Hey! Careful with your back, Eugene!" ---------

From chocolate... "Gmail is only the single most reliable mail provider in the world, and bounces never happen." On 11/23/2016 5:02 PM, Cameron Kaiser wrote: The thread about email to AOL is not on topic to the original post. The original topic is ezwind / classiccmp emails going to gmail.com and whether it was not failing, therefore it must be the mailing list processors fault. I subscribe at both my own domain, as well as an archival copy on my gmail account, which I seldom reference. I did also have a bounce disable today when I went and looked. It did not unsubscribe me, but had the link to do the re-enable. I went to the user page, and found no link to get a bounce profile / count for my id or anything as someone mentioned to attempt to help. Where is that? I'd check that if i could see what the failures are and adjust if I could. I've not been unsubscribed, but disabled, and though annoying, and considering that the list is a labor of love, I'm not complaining, just helping. Please keep that in mind, or it may go away. Infinite patience on the part of providers of truly free services may not exist. Glad to have what we have when we have it to chat here. I do see a number of gmail disables here, perhaps the logs aren't so huge that that the bounces for the gmail bounces might be something to diagnose the problem if we just let someone get back from holiday and look at it. Mean time, my main email didn't disable, and I have this thread and am responding from there. As to how everyone has their email clients / processors set up, that is something that they or their providers are responsible for, not the list. A friend of mine hosts my domain on a system with the network presence for the domain on it, and has had it, and both DNS and the email service have failed completely a couple of times in the last 6 months. Neither time caused a bounce or unsubscribe. The list emails were held probably received several thousand emails (because I get all emails for my domains in one bucket, which I filter). I am not an email expert (which is why I won't volunteer to do much here), but the failure mode which occurs when the sender or an intermediate relay holds the email apparently holds the emails for some period was probably triggered, rather than just an instant bounce. Also he does maintain a second system on a different ISP for this system, but the failure took out both systems. Myy last unsub was on Nov 8 on gmail, now Nov 23 thanks Jim

On Nov 23, 2016 11:05 PM, "John H. Reinhardt" <johnhreinhardt at yahoo.com> wrote: It for at 2.0 out of 5.0 for my bounce score. What's a bounce score, and how do you know what yours is and what the limit is? Does classiccmp specify 5.0, or Yahoo, or what? sometimes taking up to 18 days before hitting the 5.0 bounce limit. had this one for at least 12 years. But if it's because of a configuration problem, then other providers may react the same way so will it do any good?

Maybe for the people whose eyeballs it's selling. My view as someone who doesn't use it is that it's a bulletproof spammer drop-box hosting service crossed with a spam spewer. Their offloading the costs of their antisocial behaviour onto the rest of the net are one reason I will have nothing to do with their mail. (The other major reason is their outright spamming me.) /~\ The ASCII Mouse \ / Ribbon Campaign X Against HTML mouse at rodents-montreal.org / \ Email! 7D C8 61 52 5D E7 2D 39 4E F1 31 3E E8 B3 27 4B

On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 6:55 PM, Michael Brutman <mbbrutman at brutman.com> wrote: Yes. Basically AOL is saying that classiccmp.org should not send mail out where the "From:" address is AOL. They're probably in the wrong but it can be worked around by having the mailing list set the From/Sender to be classiccmp, but change the Reply-To to be the original From unless there is already a Reply-To. I used to play these frustrating games with Listserv, not sure if they're possible with this system. The reason other people don't have the same problem is that most people's domains are not so fascist as to insist that their From address is not used in this way.