Yes, the LK-3000 is vintage and on-topic. I have three of them. It's from 1978 and the patents go back to 1976. The reason it's not off-topic isn't because of its age, but because it's far more than just a language translator. With the plug-in modules, it's a database and a notepad -- in short, one of several predecessors to the modern PDA. Now, as for your "any computer over 5 years old is an antique" statement, well that's just silly. Perhaps a PC from 2000 is an "antique" in the sarcastic sense of Win XP having ridiculous resource requirements, but otherwise, of course not. -----Original Message----- From: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org [mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Jim Isbell, W5JAI Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 10:37 AM To: Mail List for Computer Talk Subject: OT??? I dont know I dont know if this is off topic or not. Seems like every time I post to this list I am chastised for OT. To me any computer over 5 years old is an antique. But I would accept the definiton that any computer that used dual triodes was an antique, like the IBM 7070 that I cut my teeth on. BUT....be that as it may, I have several old computers that I am considering disposing of, but before I do I am wondering if they are "classics" Case in point: Nixdorf LK 3000 Electronic Notebook -- Jim Isbell "If you are not living on the edge, well then, you are just taking up too much space." W5JAI UltraVan #257 CAL - 27 #221 1970 E-Type 1985 XJS 1982 XJ6