17 May
2004
17 May
'04
10:45 a.m.
I'll take it. I have been looking for a real AT...
best regards, Steve Thatcher
-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Richman <bill(a)timeguy.com>
Sent: May 17, 2004 3:21 PM
To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org
Subject: IBM AT Free to a Good Home
I have an IBM AT with all original docs and keyboard, in like-new condition from the
original owner. It can be yours for the price of shipping. Note that it has an upgrade
VGA video card in place of the usual mono or CGA/EGA card, and that it currently will not
boot from the hard drive (which is why he finally upgraded to a PC made in the last 20
years). A 14" VGA monitor, IBM ProPrinter, and Okidata 320 printer are also
available as part of the bundle. E-mail if you have questions or want the thing. Note
that I ship via Mailboxes Etc. so be prepared to pay their packing/shipping rates or
arrange to pick it up.
20 May
20 May
5:24 p.m.
On Mon, 17 May 2004 15:45:22 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
Steve Thatcher <melamy(a)earthlink.net> wrote:
I'll take it. I have been looking for a real
AT...
best regards, Steve Thatcher
-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Richman <bill(a)timeguy.com>
Sent: May 17, 2004 3:21 PM
To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org
Subject: IBM AT Free to a Good Home
I have an IBM AT with all original docs and keyboard, in like-new
condition from the original owner. It can be yours for the price of
shipping. Note that it has an upgrade VGA video card in place of the
usual mono or CGA/EGA card, and that it currently will not boot from
the hard drive (which is why he finally upgraded to a PC made in the
last 20 years). A 14" VGA monitor, IBM ProPrinter, and Okidata 320
printer are also available as part of the bundle. E-mail if you have
questions or want the thing. Note that I ship via Mailboxes Etc. so
be prepared to pay their packing/shipping rates or arrange to pick it
up.
I am still on the scout for an original IBM EGA monitor for the PC/AT I
picked up over a year ago at auction. It's a real back-burner project,
of course. I have resolved not to power the system up until I find said
monitor, or at a minimum a real IBM 9-pin mono monitor. The AT box has
original EGA card, with the bare 64K of RAM, and I have decided not to
'foul' it with a VGA card. Incidentally, I'm probably one of the few
people who for years ran a PC with the IBM EGA card jumpered in
'monochrome' mode, a mode that gave one bit graphics better (in some
respects) than a Hercules card when a common 9-pin mono monitor was
attached. Back in the day when all I aspired to were
green/white/amber-screen monitors, of course. Now I can't find a 9-pin
mono monitor for the life of me. Bought a whole system for $3 at
auction last weekend after looking across the room at it because it
showed 'promise' of having a 9-pin mono monitor. Alas another multisync
VGA. Times have changed, and what's scarce and 'unobtainable' has
changed with time.
Anybody who reads the list going to the IUPUI auction in Indianapolis
this Saturday?
5:54 p.m.
I am still on the scout for an original IBM EGA
monitor for the PC/AT I
Well, I am not shipping one of mine :-)...
picked up over a year ago at auction. It's a real
back-burner project,
of course. I have resolved not to power the system up until I find said
monitor, or at a minimum a real IBM 9-pin mono monitor. The AT box has
FWIW, the EGA card will also drive a CGA monitor if you're desparate, the
result is somewhat better than that produced by a real CGA card, of course.
original EGA card, with the bare 64K of RAM, and I
have decided not to
I think all my EGA cards have the 'optional' RAM expansion card fitted.
At one point, I made a little adapter that plugged into the 'feature
connector' and which produced composite mono video from the RGB and sync
signals. I acutally ran an XT with that into a composite mono monitor
(with the EGA card in a CGA compatible mode) for a time.
green/white/amber-screen monitors, of course. Now I
can't find a 9-pin
mono monitor for the life of me. Bought a whole system for $3 at
Well, I am certainly not parting with the one I am using right now (yes,
a real IBM 5151...)
auction last weekend after looking across the room at
it because it
showed 'promise' of having a 9-pin mono monitor. Alas another multisync
VGA. Times have changed, and what's scarce and 'unobtainable' has
changed with time.
Yes, indeed. Many of the original PC parts are getting very hard to find
now. I guess because people considered them worthless :-(
-tony
6:08 p.m.
Tony Duell wrote:
Yes, indeed. Many of the original PC parts are getting
very hard to find
now. I guess because people considered them worthless :-(
I considered them worthless even when new.
I have some targa 16 frame grabber cards ( ISA ) that I want to go to a
good home too. Time to do some spring cleaning.
-tony
21 May
21 May
10:51 a.m.
Yes, indeed. Many of the original PC parts are getting
very
hard to find
now. I guess because people considered them worthless :-(
Almost all the stuff I've been given has been given to me by
people or organisations who consider it to be worthless or
almost worthless. The only exceptions seem to be the stuff
for which I pay a nominal sum or the stuff given to me by
other collectors.
Quite how last year's Tek 2465 can be considered worthless
(or this week's S4 Eprom programmer, admittedly sans PSU)
I don't know, but somehow I managed to stay quiet. I may
even stay quiet when I ask about the PowerPC emulation
system (although I guess that will be off-topic for a
good while yet :-)).
Long live people with no sense of value :-)
Antonio
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2:58 p.m.
Yes, indeed. Many of the original PC parts are
getting very
hard to find
now. I guess because people considered them worthless :-(
Almost all the stuff I've been given has been given to me by
people or organisations who consider it to be worthless or
almost worthless. The only exceptions seem to be the stuff Quite how last year's Tek 2465 can be considered
worthless
(or this week's S4 Eprom programmer, admittedly sans PSU)
In my case, a pair of HP9100Bs, many PDP8s and PDP11s, and 4 PERQs (one
of each series!). At least.
-tony
3:02 p.m.
On Fri, 21 May 2004 20:51:56 +0100
"Antonio Carlini" <arcarlini(a)iee.org> wrote:
I just started contract work at a big company that produces automotive
and appliance controls. I've been surprised by the ancient machines
they're actively using in the test labs to control machines and acquire
test data. There are IBM XT's all over the place. The newest boxes in
the lab are old 386 and 486 mini-towers with tiny hard drives, running
MS-DOS. They drive stepper motors, acquire data, etc., using GW Basic
programs. In talking to the old timers I've discovered they made a slow
reluctulant transition to the PCs from Commodore 64's. I am not talking
about some small-time company, either, they make controls that go into
GM cars and Maytag appliances. I've noticed one Commodore 64 still
deployed in the lab, it's an SX-64 portable.
So there are companies, even divisions of Fortune 500 companies, that
still value ancient old PC hardware, and use it every day.
Scott
Yes, indeed.
Many of the original PC parts are getting very
hard to find
now. I guess because people considered them worthless :-(
Almost all the stuff I've been given has been given to me by
people or organisations who consider it to be worthless or
almost worthless. The only exceptions seem to be the stuff
for which I pay a nominal sum or the stuff given to me by
other collectors.
Quite how last year's Tek 2465 can be considered worthless
(or this week's S4 Eprom programmer, admittedly sans PSU)
I don't know, but somehow I managed to stay quiet. I may
even stay quiet when I ask about the PowerPC emulation
system (although I guess that will be off-topic for a
good while yet :-)).
Long live people with no sense of value :-)
3:08 p.m.
So there are companies, even divisions of Fortune 500
companies, that still value ancient old PC hardware, and use
it every day.
I guess being in the computer industry, and often the
cutting-edge bits, pretty much anywhere I'm likely to
work for will be full of the latest, fastest kit. It's
good to know that there are places that don't ditch
the old just to make room for the new ... that way
- since they *will* eventually ditch it - the
supply of older kit will be evened out! And maybe
I'll find some storage space :-)
Antonio
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Antonio Carlini arcarlini(a)iee.org
6:39 p.m.
On Fri, 21 May 2004, Scott Stevens wrote:
On Fri, 21 May 2004 20:51:56 +0100
"Antonio Carlini" <arcarlini(a)iee.org> wrote:
I just started contract work at a big company that produces automotive
and appliance controls. I've been surprised by the ancient machines
they're actively using in the test labs to control machines and acquire
test data. There are IBM XT's all over the place. The newest boxes in
the lab are old 386 and 486 mini-towers with tiny hard drives, running
MS-DOS. They drive stepper motors, acquire data, etc., using GW Basic
programs. In talking to the old timers I've discovered they made a slow
reluctulant transition to the PCs from Commodore 64's. I am not talking
about some small-time company, either, they make controls that go into
GM cars and Maytag appliances. I've noticed one Commodore 64 still
deployed in the lab, it's an SX-64 portable.
So there are companies, even divisions of Fortune 500 companies, that
still value ancient old PC hardware, and use it every day.
Scott
Just goes to show that there are still a few who believe the old
adage: If it ain't broke, don't fix it!
- don
Yes,
indeed. Many of the original PC parts are getting very
hard to find
now. I guess because people considered them worthless :-(
Almost all the stuff I've been given has been given to me by
people or organisations who consider it to be worthless or
almost worthless. The only exceptions seem to be the stuff
for which I pay a nominal sum or the stuff given to me by
other collectors.
Quite how last year's Tek 2465 can be considered worthless
(or this week's S4 Eprom programmer, admittedly sans PSU)
I don't know, but somehow I managed to stay quiet. I may
even stay quiet when I ask about the PowerPC emulation
system (although I guess that will be off-topic for a
good while yet :-)).
Long live people with no sense of value :-)
20 May
20 May
8:21 p.m.
On Thu, 20 May 2004, Scott Stevens wrote:
I am still on the scout for an original IBM EGA
monitor for the PC/AT I
I've been putting these aside as they come into my recycling operation
because I know they are becoming scarce. So far I've gotten a whole ONE
EGA monitor. I've also got one or two EGA adapters.
They certainly seem to be rarer than ADM3's these days ;)
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11:44 p.m.
Scott Stevens wrote:
green/white/amber-screen monitors, of course. Now I
can't find a 9-pin
mono monitor for the life of me. Bought a whole system for $3 at
auction last weekend after looking across the room at it because it
showed 'promise' of having a 9-pin mono monitor.
I have a "Casper" brand monochrome monitor, dumped by a neighbor when
he moved. It has a 9-pin connector on it, though only 6 pins are
actually fitted. It does not power up, and I have nothing to drive it
with anyhow. It is in nice physical/cosmetic condition, and is likely
repairable. It's available for the cost of shipping to anyone who wants
it.
--Bill
21 May
21 May
2:35 a.m.
----- Original Message -----
From: "William Maddox" <wmaddox(a)pacbell.net>
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
<cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Friday, May 21, 2004 4:44 AM
Subject: Re: IBM AT Free to a Good Home
Scott Stevens wrote:
I used to have one of those. Had problems with ghosting. I think it got
spirited away during a garage sale. It kind of spooked me on getting another
one.
dumped by a neighbor when
green/white/amber-screen monitors, of course.
Now I can't find a 9-pin
mono monitor for the life of me. Bought a whole system for $3 at
auction last weekend after looking across the room at it because it
showed 'promise' of having a 9-pin mono monitor.
I have a "Casper" brand monochrome monitor, he moved. It has a 9-pin connector on it, though only
6 pins are
actually fitted. It does not power up, and I have nothing to drive it
with anyhow. It is in nice physical/cosmetic condition, and is likely
repairable. It's available for the cost of shipping to anyone who wants
it.
--Bill
Sheet. Good offer. :)
bm
2:48 p.m.
I have a "Casper" brand monochrome monitor,
dumped by a neighbor when
he moved. It has a 9-pin connector on it, though only 6 pins are
actually fitted. It does not power up, and I have nothing to drive it
Quite normal. 2 grounds, Hsync, Vsync, video, and intensity.
with anyhow. It is in nice physical/cosmetic
condition, and is likely
repairable. It's available for the cost of shipping to anyone who wants
it.
I have (not up for grabs) a Zenith mono monitor. It had what I called the
'Irish PSU' (note for non UK people, over here 'Irish' jokes are much the
same as Polish jokes...). This combines the ease-of-repair of a switcher
with the efficiency of a linear PSU (for the software types, that's
roughly like combining the ease-of-understanding of machine code with the
speed of an Interpetted HLL :-)).
Seriously, this PSU started out by rectifying the mains, then fed it to a
free-running chopper with no regulation applied. This drove a little
transformer which gave out about 20V peak AC. This was rectified and
smoothed, then fed to a discrete-transistor linear regulator (which used
the green power-on LED as the reference !) to provide the 12V line used
by the rest of the monitor.
Notince I am talking i nthe past tense. One day the chopper transistor
failed. After many attempts at replacing it, and killing many expensive
transsitors, I did what I should have done in the first place. I removed
the chopper and mains rectifier circuitry and replaced it with a
mains-frequency transformer. Increased the smoothing capacitor on the
secondary side (after all, the original transformer worked at about 1000
time the frequencyt of the mains). Worked fine for several years
And then the picture collapsed horizontally and faded out. I suspected a
line output stage problem, but was amazed to find the fault was the line
driver transformer, one of the windings of which was open-circuit. That
was simple enough to rewind by hand, which is what I did. And it's still
working.
-tony
6:56 p.m.
On Sat, 22 May 2004, Tony Duell wrote:
Well, we in the colonies used to enjoy that type of joke, but
over the years have managed to hyper-sensitize just about all
ethnic groups, such that you put your health - physical or
financial - in jeopardy if you tell one. It tends to bring out
dirty looks, unfriendly comments or the "everyone is picking on
me" society - aka: American Civil Liberties Union - which can get
expensive in keeping some lawyer well off.
- don
I have a
"Casper" brand monochrome monitor, dumped by a neighbor when
he moved. It has a 9-pin connector on it, though only 6 pins are
actually fitted. It does not power up, and I have nothing to drive it
Quite normal. 2 grounds, Hsync, Vsync, video, and intensity.
with anyhow. It is in nice physical/cosmetic
condition, and is likely
repairable. It's available for the cost of shipping to anyone who wants
it.
I have (not up for grabs) a Zenith mono monitor. It had what I called the
'Irish PSU' (note for non UK people, over here 'Irish' jokes are much
the
same as Polish jokes...). This combines the ease-of-repair of a switcher
with the efficiency of a linear PSU (for the software types, that's
roughly like combining the ease-of-understanding of machine code with the
speed of an Interpetted HLL :-)). Seriously, this PSU started out by rectifying the
mains, then fed it to a
free-running chopper with no regulation applied. This drove a little
transformer which gave out about 20V peak AC. This was rectified and
smoothed, then fed to a discrete-transistor linear regulator (which used
the green power-on LED as the reference !) to provide the 12V line used
by the rest of the monitor.
Notince I am talking i nthe past tense. One day the chopper transistor
failed. After many attempts at replacing it, and killing many expensive
transsitors, I did what I should have done in the first place. I removed
the chopper and mains rectifier circuitry and replaced it with a
mains-frequency transformer. Increased the smoothing capacitor on the
secondary side (after all, the original transformer worked at about 1000
time the frequencyt of the mains). Worked fine for several years
And then the picture collapsed horizontally and faded out. I suspected a
line output stage problem, but was amazed to find the fault was the line
driver transformer, one of the windings of which was open-circuit. That
was simple enough to rewind by hand, which is what I did. And it's still
working.
-tony
24 May
24 May
2:07 p.m.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don Maslin" <donm(a)cts.com>
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
<cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2004 4:56 AM
Subject: Re: IBM AT Free to a Good Home
On Sat, 22 May 2004, Tony Duell wrote:
I have (not up for grabs) a Zenith mono monitor. It had what I called the
'Irish PSU' (note for non UK people, over here 'Irish' jokes are much
the
same as Polish jokes...). This combines the ease-of-repair of a switcher
with the efficiency of a linear PSU (for the software types, that's
roughly like combining the ease-of-understanding of machine code with the
speed of an Interpetted HLL :-)).
Well, we in the colonies used to enjoy that type of joke, but
over the years have managed to hyper-sensitize just about all
ethnic groups, such that you put your health - physical or
financial - in jeopardy if you tell one. It tends to bring out
dirty looks, unfriendly comments or the "everyone is picking on
me" society - aka: American Civil Liberties Union - which can get
expensive in keeping some lawyer well off.
- don
Don't be such a prude Don, here in the internal colonies we enjoy a good
Irish joke as much as anyone,
Here's my favourite :
Why are Irish jokes so stupid ?
- so the English can understand them !
The funny thing is when I tell my joke after a lot of other Irish jokes , a
lot of people don't seem to appreciate it .
Funny huh ?
The joke that dare not speak it's name.
Geoff.
3:06 p.m.
Don't be such a prude Don, here in the internal
colonies we enjoy a
good Irish joke as much as anyone,
Here's my favourite :
Why are Irish jokes so stupid ?
- so the English can understand them !
This reminds me...back in the early '80s, the lab I used to hang out at
had a Newfoundlander among its population. Now, the Newfoundlanders
are to much of Canada what the Poles are to the Americans, what the
Swedes are to the Norwegians, what the Irish are (apparently) to the
English: there is a whole genre of "Newfie jokes".
One day, the message-of-the-day had a Newfie joke in it. (I think it
was "How do you know when a Newfie has used your word processor? When
there's white-out on the screen.".) Our resident Newfie told us "You
better be careful with those Newfie jokes - some of us might understand
them!".
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3:50 p.m.
In the US, that is a common blonde joke.
Chad Fernandez
Michigan, USA
der Mouse wrote:
One day, the message-of-the-day had a Newfie joke in
it. (I think it
was "How do you know when a Newfie has used your word processor? When
there's white-out on the screen.".) Our resident Newfie told us "You
better be careful with those Newfie jokes - some of us might understand
them!".
25 May
25 May
3:31 a.m.
At 12:07 AM 5/25/04 +0100, Geoff wrote:
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don Maslin" <donm(a)cts.com>
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
<cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2004 4:56 AM
Subject: Re: IBM AT Free to a Good Home
On Sat, 22 May 2004, Tony Duell wrote:
I have (not up for grabs) a Zenith mono monitor. It had what I called the
'Irish PSU' (note for non UK people, over here 'Irish' jokes are much
the
same as Polish jokes...). This combines the ease-of-repair of a switcher
with the efficiency of a linear PSU (for the software types, that's
roughly like combining the ease-of-understanding of machine code with the
speed of an Interpetted HLL :-)).
Well, we in the colonies used to enjoy that type of joke, but
over the years have managed to hyper-sensitize just about all
ethnic groups, such that you put your health - physical or
financial - in jeopardy if you tell one. It tends to bring out
dirty looks, unfriendly comments or the "everyone is picking on
me" society - aka: American Civil Liberties Union - which can get
expensive in keeping some lawyer well off.
- don
Don't be such a prude Don, here in the internal colonies we enjoy a good
Irish joke as much as anyone,
I think every country has their own form of "Irish" jokes. Here in the US
they're called Pollock jokes although lately they've been replaced by
"blond" jokes. In Canada they're called Newfy jokes.
Joe
12:04 p.m.
At 12:48 PM 5/25/04 -0700, you wrote:
On Tue, 25 May 2004, Joe R. wrote:
I don't know. Ask Don. :-)
Joe
I think every country has their own form of
"Irish" jokes. Here in the US
they're called Pollock jokes although lately they've been replaced by
"blond" jokes. In Canada they're called Newfy jokes.
Are Microsoft jokes still acceptable?
1:17 p.m.
On Tue, 25 May 2004, Joe R. wrote:
At 12:48 PM 5/25/04 -0700, you wrote:
I'm sure that they are, provided you don't try to use "window" in
it and claim that no one owns it!
- don
On Tue, 25 May 2004, Joe R. wrote:
I don't know. Ask Don. :-) I think every country has their own form of
"Irish" jokes. Here in the US
they're called Pollock jokes although lately they've been replaced by
"blond" jokes. In Canada they're called Newfy jokes.
Are Microsoft jokes still acceptable? Joe
2:02 p.m.
I think every country has their own form of
"Irish" jokes. Here in the US
they're called Pollock jokes although lately they've been replaced by
The Polish joke I heard recently shouldn't offend too many people, if
only becuase few will understand it. However, I suspect that's not the
case here, so...
Back in the days of the Iron Curtain, a group of Polish people decided to
defect to the west. They managed to capture an aeroplane, and one of them
thought he could fly it. So they all got in and it took off... They then
flew west, and kept on flying.
After some time, the pilot said over the intercom. 'Well, we've made it.
We are now over the United States of America. In fact we are flying into
New York. If you look out of the windows on the starboard side, you will
see the Statue of Liberty'.
All the passengers got out of their seats and rushed to see this.
Unfortunately, the uneven weight distribution caused ther plane to roll
over and crash.
Which illustrates that 'Too many poles in the right hand half of the
plane leads to instabilty' :-)
-tony
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