Try and find an RZ28 for your primary disk and put your swap on the RZ24. Might even be worthwhile to get two RZ28's for it. A 2GB disk like the RZ28 will hold most stuff you need on a OpenVMS/VAX system. Shoot, I've got a really nice 10k RPM 9GB drive on my PWS433au for a system disk and even with all the software that's installed I still have tons of room for it (the data is all on RZ29's in a BA350). Does the VS4000/60 have a CD-ROM drive? If not something like a RRD42 should suffice nicely. If you've access to someplace with a lot of old SCSI CD-ROM's, just look for one that supports 512-byte blocks. You need that to boot. Something like a TLZ06 4mm DAT drive would be a nice complement to the system as well. I've got a VS4000/60 it's an excellent system to have if you're most interested in running VMS on a VAX! BTW, if you want to expand your disk capacity a BA350 works great on one. Zane

Good luck! I can't even find a PROM command manual for the thing. Come to mention it, DOES anyone have a prom command listing for the vs400/60 and/or the Sparcstation 4/330 (sun4)? Regards, Jeff In <Pine.LNX.4.42.0112212042260.25888-100000(a)george.home.org>rg>, on 12/21/01 at 08:52 PM, Doc <doc(a)mdrconsult.com> said: -- ----------------------------------------------------------- Jeffrey S. Worley Asheville, NC USA 828-6984887 UberTechnoid(a)Home.com -----------------------------------------------------------

On Sat, 22 Dec 2001, Zane H. Healy wrote: Oh, my gods. What a novel concept. And it even works!! Thanks. Doc

----- Original Message ----- From: <UberTechnoid(a)Home.com> To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2001 01:18 PM Subject: Re: More... Re: VS4000 hardware questions Hmmm. I have an m90 which is very similar to an m60. Are you booting to VMS? There is an interactive boot flag to VMS that will result in what you're describing. What does `show boot' say? If there's something like /R:1, that might be what's causing the problem. Try `set boot whatever-but-not-/R:1' and see if that fixes it. If there is nothing set for 'boot', that might be the problem. `show dev' will list the attached devices, `dkaxx' are the names of the SCSI drives, xx is the SCSI id number. `set boot dka400' is what I have, to boot the RZ26 at id 4. Also, there is some kind of default-action prom command that specifies what to do on a reboot. I can't seem to find anything about it ATM, but there is information out there-- keep hunting! On a side note, if you plan to run NetBSD there is a little known misfeature: it will frob something in the flash that the prom doesn't like, and forever after (until someone finds out what it's tweaking and fixes it) it will throw a non-fatal error in (IIRC) SYS, which will (or so I've been told-- I don't run this machine just now) keep it from booting automatically. Starting VMS doesn't seem to fix it, altho there seems to be no other impact. Bob Come vs400/60 at

On Sun, 23 Dec 2001, Robert Schaefer wrote: It looks like you're saying that, having booted NetBSD, I can no longer run the VS4000 headless? Right now, set to serial console, it won't even post until I power up the serial terminal. And on this box, powering down the VT420 is a guaranteed halt. Have I misconfigured something, or am I stuck with this? The 3100 m38 autoboots NetBSD quite happily with no console attached. Since the hardware notes at NetBSD didn't give any warnings, I sort ofexpected the same. Doc

Hello, Just my 2 cents: It's only the 4000/9x that gets so confused by the NetBSD booter that it won't boot unattended anymore. It will throw a "SYS"-error (0200). My 4000/60 is happy with NetBSD, booting all the way to whatever OS i throw at it. Just don't POWER DOWN your terminal while connected. This will be interpreted as a break on the console line, which throws you into the console monitor, just like a HALT. Disconnect your terminal. As a proof, this email is sent to the list via my 4000/60, running NetBSD without a console terminal attached. (Some proof, i know ... 8-) The 4000/vlc works just as well. To get the 4000/60 autobooting you have to have SET BOOT dka0 (or whatever your system disk is) SET HALT 1 SET BFLG 0 Most NetBSD's up to 1.5.2 garble the "HALT" setting on shutdown, so you should check this ("SHOW HALT"). Valid values are: 3: Machine halts on powerup (Manual boot) 2: Automatic reboot 1: Automatic restart 0: same as 2 "Automatic restart" is usually the default, since it tells the VAX to try to quickly recover from e.g. a power failure. Try 0 or 2 as well. If all this does not help, you might have a dead battery. But you should get some error on powerup then. Hope this helps Michael Schneider (ms) On Mon, 2001-12-24 at 20:36, Robert Schaefer wrote: -- Michael Schneider email: ms(a)silke.rt.schwaben.de Germany http://www.vaxcluster.de People disagree with me. I just ignore them. (Linus Torvalds)

For online doc's, take this: http://www.whiteice.com/~williamwebb/intro/DOC-i.html Ok, it's for a 3100/76, but the instructions are fairly accurate and, as far as i can tell, valid for 4000/60 systems. ms On Tue, 2001-12-25 at 00:25, Doc wrote: -- Michael Schneider email: ms(a)vaxcluster.de Germany http://www.vaxcluster.de People disagree with me. I just ignore them. (Linus Torvalds)

----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Schneider" <ms(a)silke.rt.schwaben.de> To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Sent: Monday, December 24, 2001 05:46 PM Subject: Re: More... Re: VS4000 hardware questions I can only verify that it does cause an error on the m90. A relief for those with other models, I guess. It doesn't get too confused, tho-- just enought that it doesn't want to boot alone, not to the point that it *can't* boot. :/ If you really want to keep a terminal attached and still want to be able to power it up and down, the addition of a pulldown(up?) resistor on the rx pin of the VAXstation should allow that. If it was done inside say a serial breakout box, it would be easy to remove as well. I *knew* there were some more settings, but for the life of me I couldn't remember! Bob longer even or or -understood, models test. VMS attempted to *does* knowlegable be is eyes

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On Sat, 22 Dec 2001 UberTechnoid(a)Home.com wrote: For Sun NVRAM info, check out http://www.obsolyte.com/sunFAQ/faq_nvram.html In general, obsolyte has a fair amount of good information about Sun systems. -- Pat

On Fri, 21 Dec 2001 UberTechnoid(a)Home.com wrote: I'd be willing to bet that one of the drives sitting here will boot VMS. At least 2 of them will boot & install VMS on the Alpha. You just have to talk sweet and hold your mouth right. Failing that, I'll go downstairs & rape the AXP 150. It has an RRD4x drive. I can't remember if it's a 40 or 42. Doc

It would boot off any cdrom pretty much. The problem came when I tried to do a restore from the cd's system image. Instant screenfull of greek. The RRD40 was the only drive I could install vms off of. Regards, Jeff In <200112220429.fBM4TRQ01772(a)narnia.int.dittman.net>et>, on 12/21/01 at 10:29 PM, Eric Dittman <dittman(a)dittman.net> said: -- ----------------------------------------------------------- Jeffrey S. Worley Asheville, NC USA 828-6984887 UberTechnoid(a)Home.com -----------------------------------------------------------

This really sounds like the problem I had installing OpenVMS on my VS4000/VLC. I've got a 4x external CD-ROM that I bought new years ago for my PowerBook 520c. Everything loves this CD-ROM (including lots of VMS systems), yet when I tried to install VMS on the VLC using it, I had nothing but troubles. Zane -- | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator | | healyzh(a)aracnet.com (primary) | OpenVMS Enthusiast | | | Classic Computer Collector | +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ | Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | | PDP-10 Emulation and Zane's Computer Museum. | | http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ |

On Sat, 22 Dec 2001, Alexander Schreiber wrote: A friend of mine came up with a good solution to this problem: If no bootable CDROM drive is available, use a second hard drive with enough space to accomodate a block-wise copy of the VMS installation CD (should be no more than 500 MB, but i have not checked lately). Use a Unix system to copy the VMS installation CD to this second HDD, then boot and install from that. -Hans -- finger hans(a)huebner.org for details

Oh yes. I have a Toshiba, a PX-43cs Plextor, a Sony, and a couple of other 512-byte block-selectable drives. None but the RRD-40 will boot (AND INSTALL) VMS on my Vax. I aquired all these drives trying to solve this problem. The RRD was the only solution. Oh, and yes, the drives work. The Toshiba is running on my Sparc, the Plextor on my PC, and the Sony on my Atari ST. Regards, Jeff In <200112221929.fBMJTCQ03417(a)narnia.int.dittman.net>et>, on 12/22/01 at 01:29 PM, Eric Dittman <dittman(a)dittman.net> said: -- ----------------------------------------------------------- Jeffrey S. Worley Asheville, NC USA 828-6984887 UberTechnoid(a)Home.com -----------------------------------------------------------