On Mon, 17 Mar 2003, John Allain wrote: [snippage] ^^^^^^^ I preface my comments with the fact that I have a bunch of Harbor Frieght stuff here, and it's one of the stops on my usually-monthly Trip to the Big City (Reno, NV) for Serious Shopping. But to get heavy things safely into a rack (or racks), the table lifts HF have didn't thrill me because they are already 14" off the floor, and are hard to maneuver up to a rack with Stuff in it... the handtruck-like winch lift from the other company is what I have been looking for, and actually I bought a little cable winch and a handtruck from Harbor, with the idea of making an 'equipment racking lift' that would actually fit up to a standing rack and allow the device to be inserted into it in a controlled manner. The hydraulic table lifts are a bit too clumsy for this, I think. (YMMV) They *are* cheap, though.... Cheers John