22 Jan
2001
22 Jan
'01
8:09 a.m.
I know that this is a shameless plug, but here are a few machines I'm
looking for:
Dynalogic Hyperion
Epson QX-10
Otrona Attache
Acorn A4 (w/ American voltage power supply)
Commodore Hyperion (Good luck, I know!)
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22 Jan
22 Jan
9:17 a.m.
I know that this is a shameless plug, but here are a
few machines
I'm looking for:
Dynalogic Hyperion
Commodore Hyperion (Good luck, I know!)
According to an ex-Commodore engineer I used to correspond
with, they were one and the same thing, as Commodore never did more
than rebadge a few for display at one of the big computer shows in
Germany. He said he was the one who purchased one from the Bytec
distributor in the UK around Christmas 1982 for consideration as
Commodore's first MS-DOS machine. They decided against using it due
to servicing difficulties but since their x86 machine wasn't ready
yet they displayed a few anyway in early '83 (CeBIT in Hanover i
believe).
Jeff
--
Collector of Classic Microcomputers and Video Game Systems:
Home of the TRS-80 Model 2000 FAQ File
http://www.geocities.com/siliconvalley/lakes/6757
10:52 a.m.
>I know that this is a shameless plug, but here are
a few machines
>I'm looking for:
>Dynalogic Hyperion
>Commodore Hyperion (Good luck, I know!)
IIRC Dynalogic Hyperions were built in Ottawa Canada and they also had an
office right here in Montreal...
They were fairly common aound here a few years ago because of this.
I have come close a couple of times of getting free ones.."Oh yeah, you
collect this stuff? I threw out 4 of these about a year ago!"...I have been
told already....I am sure lll get one (or many) some day...
I was offered one not too long ago by someone who taught he had a rare
diamond in his hands he wanted IIRC around $150 - $200.
I passed...my policy/philosophy on collecting 197x-198x early 1990s micros
is:
I rarely pay more then $20 unless its a large amount of stuff and a uncommon
I lot of the stuff I have was given to me. Including some very very nice
stuff...
When its something nice and people dont want money, I give a bottle of wine
(we have plenty inexpensive good ones here in Quebec)
I dont hesitate to pick up stuff I dont really need (DEC, books etc...) to
giveaway or trade on here...
I hunt around a lot for the stuff...
While I still dont have a NEXT box and a Lisa or an Apple III, I do have a
nice collection of clean machines from the computer era I grew up in...and
while I could afford ebay prices and get it all in a few weeks, that would
take the fun out of hunting for them, trading with you guys and meeting
people and talking with people I dont know that call me up/email me out of
nowhere and give me some of this stuff for free....Besides, I am quite cheap
and I can imagine paying ebay prices for this kinda stuff...
Claude
Canuk Computer Collector
http://computer_collector.tripod.com
25 Jan
25 Jan
2:30 p.m.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Claude.W" <claudew(a)videotron.ca>
To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Monday, January 22, 2001 7:52 PM
Subject: Re: Machines I'm looking for...
I passed...my policy/philosophy on collecting
197x-198x
early 1990s micros
is:
I rarely pay more then $20 unless its a large amount of
stuff and a uncommon
I lot of the stuff I have was given to me. Including
some
very very nice
I'm usually limited to the change in my pocket, but did pay
$75 for a complete NEXT cube with both monitors and printers
when it turned up in a scrap yard.
I dont hesitate to pick up stuff I dont really need
(DEC,
books etc...) to
giveaway or trade on here...
I hunt around a lot for the stuff...
While I still dont have a NEXT box and a Lisa or an Apple
III, I do have a
nice collection of clean machines from the computer
era I
grew up in...and
while I could afford ebay prices and get it all in a
few
weeks, that would
take the fun out of hunting for them, trading with you
guys and meeting
people and talking with people I dont know that call
me
up/email me out of
I agree it's not sporting to buy a machine, unfortunately
I'm still looking for a BC18z VAX cable for my VAXstation
and am getting tempted to buy one when from e-bay to
complete a machine.
I've spent more on the shelves to hold the machines than on
the machines themselves
Mike
Another Canadian Collector
9:30 p.m.
I agree it's not sporting to buy a machine,
unfortunately
I'm still looking for a BC18z VAX cable for my VAXstation
and am getting tempted to buy one when from e-bay to
complete a machine.
I've spent more on the shelves to hold the machines than on
the machines themselves
One of the regular sellers on a mac list I used to be on offered up an item
I want, the often mentioned Tokamac accelerator for a IIfx. I'm not sure
how much I might have paid, but the attitude killed any deal right at the
start. The "I know I have the toy you want, now beg and wave money"
attitude.
OTOH I hope I have learned that letting relatively minor amounts of money
get in the way of my fun is NUTS.
The other thing is to not allow yourself to become jaded by getting a few
really good deals. Just because you bought 2 pallets of something once for
$23, doesn't mean thats the new fair price you will always expect to pay.
Retail happens. ;)
26 Jan
26 Jan
4:52 a.m.
Mike Kenzie skrev:
I agree it's not sporting to buy a machine,
unfortunately
I'm still looking for a BC18z VAX cable for my VAXstation
and am getting tempted to buy one when from e-bay to
complete a machine.
I've spent more on the shelves to hold the machines
than on
the machines themselves
Sporting or not, there is no real way for some of us to get at our machines
than to buy them. Obtaining a Sun seems quite impossible, save for buying it
from eBay. There simply seems to be no infrastructure
for disseminating
workstations to the masses around here, unless you happen to work
at Ericsson
or study at a technical faculty. I once bought a DECstation at 500 kr, but
when it broke down, my only alternative was to get one from eBay, but at only
half the price.
This is not only the case with exotic computers, but even rather plain
workstations, unless you happen to have contacts or the right
infrastructure.
--
En ligne avec Thor 2.6.
Keine Grenze verlockt mehr zum Schmuggeln als die Altersgrenze.
--- Robert Musil
6:04 a.m.
On Wed, Mar 04, 2037 at 02:20:23AM +0100, Iggy Drougge (optimus(a)canit.se) wrote:
Sporting or not, there is no real way for some of us to get at our machines
than to buy them. Obtaining a Sun seems quite impossible, save for buying it
from eBay.
For *any* machine, it's either a case of right time right place, or
right price, I think. I've had no trouble obtaining Sun gear, both
sun3 and my current real workstation, an ss10/sx.
-Rich
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------------------------- rich(a)alcor.concordia.ca ----------------------
9:13 a.m.
Rich Lafferty skrev:
On Wed, Mar 04, 2037 at 02:20:23AM +0100, Iggy Drougge
(optimus(a)canit.se)
wrote:
>
> Sporting or not, there is no real way for some of us to get at our machines
> than to buy them. Obtaining a Sun seems quite impossible, save for buying
> it from eBay.
For *any* machine, it's either a case of right time
right place, or
right price, I think. I've had no trouble obtaining Sun gear, both
sun3 and my current real workstation, an ss10/sx.
Naturally. And that's exactly the matter. If you're not at the right place,
eBay may be your only choice.
--
En ligne avec Thor 2.6.
Iggy tipsar: Koppla aldrig en C128-transformator till en A500. ?ven om
kontakterna ser likadana ut, ligger sp?nningarna fel.
27 Jan
27 Jan
2:11 a.m.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Iggy Drougge" <optimus(a)canit.se>
To: "Rich Lafferty" <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Friday, January 26, 2001 6:13 PM
Subject: Re: Machines I'm looking for...
place, or
the right
place,
Rich Lafferty skrev:
>On Wed, Mar 04, 2037 at 02:20:23AM +0100, Iggy Drougge
(optimus(a)canit.se)
>wrote:
>>
>> Sporting or not, there is no real way for some of us to
get at our
machines
>> than to buy them. Obtaining a Sun seems quite
impossible, save for buying
> it from
eBay.
>For *any* machine, it's either a case of right time right >right price, I think. I've had no trouble
obtaining Sun
gear, both
sun3 and my
current real workstation, an ss10/sx.
Naturally. And that's exactly the matter. If you're not at eBay may be your only choice.
Maybe a CARE package can be arranged for collectors in out
of the way places. I have been thinking of putting old
386, 486 and Pentiums in containers for shipping overseas.
These machines are too new to be of interest to us and
they're too old for the general public.
26 Jan
26 Jan
6:44 a.m.
Even when you find what you want, it can be difficult to get the computers
shipped. I have some computers in New Jersey that I want, does anyone happen
to know of a good company that would handle packanging and shipping the
computers to Minneapolis? Is it best to have some freight company
ship them on pallet? I'm concerned about protecting the front panel
switches on a pair of DEC CPU's.
Oh, and Suns are as common as dirt. Sun 3's might be getting harder to find,
as most have been tossed by now. SLC, ELC, IPC, IPX, these types of
Sun workstation should be trivial to find and extremely reasonable to
purchase and to ship. A genuine Sun brand monitor would be a bit difficult
to ship of course.
Though I dont see whats 'wrong' with buying the computers you want. since
when is a hobby required to be without expenses? as long as expenses are
withing whatever dollar amounts you consider reasonable for your miscellaneous
entertainment expenses, then go for it. if you think you'll never get anyone
to buy the junk from you for any amount of money in the future, yet you still
are willing to pay the cash, then go for it. Its still a free country, the
democrats havent figured out how to spend ALL our money yet...
-Lawrence LeMay
lemay(a)cs.umn.edu
Mike Kenzie skrev:
I agree it's not sporting to buy a machine,
unfortunately
I'm still looking for a BC18z VAX cable for my VAXstation
and am getting tempted to buy one when from e-bay to
complete a machine.
I've spent more on the shelves to hold the
machines than on
the machines themselves
Sporting or not, there is no real way for some of us to get at our machines
than to buy them. Obtaining a Sun seems quite impossible, save for buying it
from eBay. There simply seems to be no infrastructure for disseminating
workstations to the masses around here, unless you happen to work at Ericsson
or study at a technical faculty. I once bought a DECstation at 500 kr, but
when it broke down, my only alternative was to get one from eBay, but at only
half the price.
This is not only the case with exotic computers, but even rather plain
workstations, unless you happen to have contacts or the right
infrastructure.
--
En ligne avec Thor 2.6.
Keine Grenze verlockt mehr zum Schmuggeln als die Altersgrenze.
--- Robert Musil
8:44 a.m.
Even when you find what you want, it can be difficult
to get the computers
shipped. I have some computers in New Jersey that I want, does anyone happen
to know of a good company that would handle packanging and shipping the
computers to Minneapolis? Is it best to have some freight company
ship them on pallet? I'm concerned about protecting the front panel
switches on a pair of DEC CPU's.
Though I dont see whats 'wrong' with buying the computers you want. since
The "wrong" is when it makes the hobby less "fun". A fair part of
what
makes it "fun" for me is to bargain hunt, and unrelated to cost is that its
LOTS of fun to open stuff up and see whats inside. Just ordering something
ruins both of those fun parts for me. YMMV
There are two kinds of shipping, one that messes up your stuff, and one
thats real expensive and still may mess up your stuff. Road trip is my
preference.
7:21 a.m.
New subject: Collecting ... (was Re: Machines I'm looking for...)
At 02:44 PM 1/26/2001 -0800, you wrote:
The "wrong" is when it makes the hobby less
"fun". A fair part of what
makes it "fun" for me is to bargain hunt, and unrelated to cost is that its
LOTS of fun to open stuff up and see whats inside. Just ordering something
ruins both of those fun parts for me. YMMV
Its amazing what happens when your web site is mentioned in the local paper
;-) My VAX House pages <http://www.mcmanis.com/chuck/computers/vaxen> were
mentioned in a recent column in the San Jose Mercury News and that
encouraged a number of people to write me an email.
Several expressed that their interest in collecting old computers
(especially mainframes) was motivated by the fact that they could "get them
for free but they cost over a MILLION bucks new!" The idea of owning a
million dollar computer was appealing to them. So now I've got three "why
do people collect" reasons:
1) Because they always wanted one as a 'kid'
2) Because they learned computers/programming on one.
3) Because they like knowing they own a computer that cost more
than their house.
As for computers I'm looking for, it seems I've got a line on a MicroVAX I
so all I need now is a VAX 4000/705A to complete the "top end" and I'll
have the entire Q-bus based VAX line. Donate now and get top billing on the
internationally famous House of VAX ;-)
--Chuck
9:46 a.m.
New subject: Collecting ... (was Re: Machines I'm looking for...)
Its amazing what happens when your web site is
mentioned
in the local paper
For those that are impatient with search engines, here's Chuck:
http://cgi.mercurycenter.com/premium/business/docs/gillmor19.htm
That's not just Any local paper!
John A.
12:05 p.m.
New subject: Collecting ... (was Re: Machines I'm looking for...)
I'll admit the original cost is one of the things that has always tickled
me about my machines. (insert dreams of inventing a time machine...)
It would be fun if there was a resource which showed the original list
price of some of the equipment.
On Fri, 26 Jan 2001, Chuck McManis wrote:
At 02:44 PM 1/26/2001 -0800, you wrote:
Several expressed that their interest in collecting
old computers
(especially mainframes) was motivated by the fact that they could "get them
for free but they cost over a MILLION bucks new!" The idea of owning a
million dollar computer was appealing to them. So now I've got three "why
do people collect" reasons:
3) Because they like knowing they own a computer that cost more
than their house.
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27 Jan
27 Jan
2:15 a.m.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tony Duell" <ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk>
To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Friday, January 26, 2001 6:38 PM
Subject: Re: Machines I'm looking for...
> >Though I dont see whats 'wrong' with
buying the
computers you want. since
>
> The "wrong" is when it makes the hobby less "fun". A
fair
part of what
> makes it "fun" for me is to bargain
hunt, and unrelated
to cost is that its
Seems highly reasonable. Nobody wants to do something for
a hobby that
they don't enjoy...
Finding bargains is, I guess, fun for most of us. We'd all
like to find
<our favourite machines> for relatively little
money.
On the other hand, I see nothing wrong with spending money
on a machine
if you will then enjoy programming/using/repairing it.
I
don't regard
that as not 'sporting'.
It's like the difference between the quaterback of the team
saying he won the superblow because he was on the field and
the owner saying he won the game because he paid the players
to do it.
2:58 a.m.
On Sat, 27 Jan 2001, Mike Kenzie wrote:
From: "Tony Duell"
<ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk>
That's a bad analogy unless the only part of the hobby which is
interesting to you is tracking down bargains. The amount of money that it
cost me to get a machine doesn't affect the amount of enjoyment I get from
using it. I'm sure the superbowl manager doesn't think "we won on paper,
but it doesn't _really_ count because the players didn't play for free".
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http://www.robogeeks.org/
On the other hand, I see nothing wrong with
spending money
on a machine if you will then enjoy programming/using/repairing it.
It's like
the difference between the quaterback of the team
saying he won the superblow because he was on the field and
the owner saying he won the game because he paid the players
to do it. 
9:56 a.m.
On Sat, 27 Jan 2001, Alex Holden wrote:
On Sat, 27 Jan 2001, Mike Kenzie wrote:
That's just a bad analogy, period.
:)
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From: "Tony Duell"
<ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk>
That's a bad analogy unless the only part of the hobby which is
interesting to you is tracking down bargains. The amount of money that it On the other hand, I see nothing wrong with
spending money
on a machine if you will then enjoy programming/using/repairing it.
It's like
the difference between the quaterback of the team
saying he won the superblow because he was on the field and
the owner saying he won the game because he paid the players
to do it.
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5:43 a.m.
But most of those 'reasons for the hobby'
don't depend on getting a
bargain, and thus it's not unsporting/against the aims of the hobby to
pay for a machine.
OK, I know most of us (myself included) can't afford to spend as much
money as we'd like on this hobby, and we'd love it if the machines were
free... However, it wouldn't bother me to spend say \pounds 100.00 on a
machine of particular interest to me, knowing that I would get at least
that much enjoyment/education from programming it, repairing it, learning
about it, etc. And I don't thing that's against the aims of the hobby.
All of my life I've collected one thing or another and come
from a family where most of the males on my
father's side do the
same! The common thread that runs through each collection
that I've
done over the years is that it encompassed things that I personally
found interesting. When it comes to this, I simply won't pick up a
machine just because it happens to be the popular one at the moment.
There are some things in my collection that I picked up just because
I happened to be in the right place when it became available so it
might not have been something I would've picked up otherwise. I'm
also a history buff, so there are also machines that I picked up
strictly because of what I percieved thier historical importance to
be. Oftentimes though something picked up due to historical
perception will also be seen as interesting in various aspects,
whether it be design or whatever.
As for price, it'd be nice to get everything for free, but
lets be realistic. I've gotten my share of stuff for free or next to
it, but I've also spent some decent money or a couple of systems that
I just wouldn't have gotten otherwise. It doesn't detract from them,
though the person who's intent is to turn around and resell them
might see it differently. Supply and demand dictates that these
machines will become harder to find with each passing year and we
should be prepared to deal with the cost associated with that reality.
Jeff
--
Collector of Classic Microcomputers and Video Game Systems:
Home of the TRS-80 Model 2000 FAQ File
http://www.geocities.com/siliconvalley/lakes/6757
28 Jan
28 Jan
10:06 p.m.
On Sat, 27 Jan 2001 19:07:39 +0000 (GMT) Tony Duell
<ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk> wrote:
Perhaps somebody could expain the aims of this hobby
of ours. Is it to :
Obtain as many machines as possible without caring what they are
Not for me!
Obtain as many of particular types of
'interesting' (to you) machines
Up to a point... but I'd rather swap identical duplicates
for something fulfilling the requirements below:
Getting (again) the machine that you 'used as a
kid' and enjoying those
ancinet games again (say)
Getting machines that you dreamed of owning many years ago and could
never aford back then
Getting machines that have particular hardware (or software) features
that you find interesting, whether or not you've ever heard of the
machine before
Preserving a piece of computer history
Programming a machine that is really simple enough to fully understand
Repairing a machine that's built from parts you can get and understand
Learning about the operation of a computer by understanding a processor
at gate level
All of those! I got started by getting machines that have
special features (PERQ portrait screen, Apple /// two-speed
cursor keys, Apricot LCD-in-keyboard thingy). Now I have
reached "critical mass", whereupon old computers arrive at
my house by a kind of gravitational attraction.
--
John Honniball
Email: John.Honniball(a)uwe.ac.uk
University of the West of England
26 Jan
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8:52 p.m.
On Fri, 26 Jan 2001, Lawrence LeMay wrote:
Though I dont see whats 'wrong' with buying
the computers you want. since
I don't either. It is fun when you manage to stumble across some
interesting hardware for much less than it's worth, or on a "you can have
it as long as you get rid of it before next Tuesday" type basis, but it's
not fun spending months utterly failing to find the part/machine that
you're looking for at a reasonable price. Sooner or later you either give
in and pay through the nose for it, or give up altogether.
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