12 Nov
2001
12 Nov
'01
5:25 p.m.
-----------Original Message----------
Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 20:45:49 -0700
From: Ben Franchuk <bfranchuk(a)jetnet.ab.ca>
Subject: Re: Xenix ?
Don Maslin wrote:
Somehow, I am inclined to question if there was a Z-80
version of Xenix
and, if not, then there was none for the Model II.
The only OS that came close to Unix for 8 bit micros was OS/9 for the
6809 and
<snip>
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Don't forget Z80 Cromix...
mike
12 Nov
12 Nov
8:32 p.m.
On Tue, 13 Nov 2001, M H Stein wrote:
-----------Original Message----------
Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 20:45:49 -0700
From: Ben Franchuk <bfranchuk(a)jetnet.ab.ca>
Subject: Re: Xenix ?
Don Maslin wrote:
And ELKS, and MINIX.
Peace... Sridhar
Somehow, I am inclined to question if there was a
Z-80 version of Xenix
and, if not, then there was none for the Model II.
The only OS that came close to Unix for 8 bit micros was OS/9 for the
6809 and
<snip>
----------------------------------------------------------
Don't forget Z80 Cromix... 
13 Nov
13 Nov
2:43 a.m.
One Without Reason wrote:
On Tue, 13 Nov 2001, M H Stein wrote:
While it is true the 8086/8088 is really only a 8 bit cpu,
6502,68xx,8080 and the z80
are the only chips from the 8 bit era that only had real popularity.
None of the
microcomputer manufactures come out with a low cost cpu.
ELKS and MINIX also are not completely open source OS's in that some
features like
self compilation and C Compiler sources are not available. ( OT- Still
looking for
C Compiler I can port for a 12/24 bit micro I am developing other than
small C ver 1).
Unix programs have long since moved from the 64kb code/data segments of
the PDP-11.
(Try and fit your favorite web browser in 8 meg or less)
-----------Original Message----------
Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 20:45:49 -0700
From: Ben Franchuk <bfranchuk(a)jetnet.ab.ca>
Subject: Re: Xenix ?
Don Maslin wrote:
And ELKS, and MINIX. Somehow, I am inclined to question if there was a
Z-80 version of Xenix
and, if not, then there was none for the Model II.
The only OS that came close to Unix for 8 bit micros was OS/9 for the
6809 and
<snip>
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Don't forget Z80 Cromix... Peace... Sridhar
Ben Franchuk.
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11:50 a.m.
Ben Franchuk skrev:
You really have very short lines, Ben.
ELKS and MINIX also are not completely open source
OS's in that some
features like
self compilation and C Compiler sources are not available.
Since when was this a requirement of a UNIX? And why should self-compilation
and C compiler sources be available?
( OT- Still
looking for
C Compiler I can port for a 12/24 bit micro I am developing other than
small C ver 1).
Unix programs have long since moved from the 64kb code/data segments of
the PDP-11.
Try http://pdp10.nocrew.org/.
(Try and fit your favorite web browser in 8 meg or
less)
10.Arkiv:pc> list Program:IBrowse2/IBrowse
Directory "Program:IBrowse2" on Onsdag 14-Nov-01
IBrowse 621360 ---arwed 22-Mar-00 01:54:08
1 file - 1215 blocks used
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- Theo de Raadt
14 Nov
14 Nov
2:37 a.m.
Iggy Drougge wrote:
You really have very short lines, Ben.
Stupid auto formating...
Since when was this a requirement of a UNIX? And why
should self-compilation
and C compiler sources be available?
First I am porting to a new machine. Secondly I am looking for a simple
developent system as it does not make sense to me to have a P-III to
compile a "hello world" program. Right now a Floppy disk is miles into
the future.
Nice PDP-10 link
but it has very little on rolling your own computer.
>(Try and fit your favorite web browser in 8 meg or
less)
Ok , now can you get one that fits in 128Kb dos 3 machine? :)
Ben Franchuk.
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11:47 a.m.
Ben Franchuk skrev:
It seems to work better now.
Iggy Drougge wrote:
You really
have very short lines, Ben.
Stupid auto formating... > Since when was this a requirement of a UNIX? And
why should
> self-compilation and C compiler sources be available?
First I am porting to a new machine. Secondly I am
looking for a simple
developent system as it does not make sense to me to have a P-III to
compile a "hello world" program. Right now a Floppy disk is miles into
the future.
But those are hardly what makes a UNIX a UNIX, is it?
BTW, it seems as though OS-9 is no longer self-hosting, either. I ordered a
demo CD some years ago, but the stupid thing required Windows. Pff.
Nice PDP-10 link but it has very little on rolling your
own computer.
No, it's about porting GCC to the PDP-10, which ISTR is a computer with
similar specs to yours.
> >(Try and fit your favorite web browser in 8
meg or less)
Ok , now can you get one that fits in 128Kb dos 3
machine? :)
What kind of DOS 3?
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2:38 a.m.
ELKS and MINIX also are not completely open source
OS's in that some
features like
self compilation and C Compiler sources are not available.
ELKS was completely open source last time I checked although the license
might not be pure GPL. (GPL isn't the only open source license).
The Minix I have on my 286 michine certainly has a compiler. Since the
same Minix works on an 8086, the compiler is there. The problem is memory
on the 8086 machine isn't quite enough, you need to run the compiler passes
separately.
Eric
13 Nov
13 Nov
1:43 p.m.
On 13-Nov-2001 Ben Franchuk wrote:
(Try and fit your favorite web browser in 8 meg or
less)
F UID PID PPID PRI NI VSZ RSS WCHAN STAT TTY TIME COMMAND
000 500 12560 7112 0 0 4036 2064 do_sig T pts/11 0:00 lynx
OK, so maybe lynx isn't my favorite. But it's the one that crashes the
least often and sucks the least.
OT : When I got my first vt-220 some years back, I got a trip from browsing
the web via lynx with it. There was something silly and subversive using
such an old piece technology (serial terminal) as an interface to
something "leading-edge". I don't doubt many of you could pull up
even bigger contrasts.
-Philip
11:46 a.m.
One Without Reason skrev:
On Tue, 13 Nov 2001, M H Stein wrote:
> Don Maslin wrote:
> > Somehow, I am inclined to question if there
was a Z-80 version of Xenix
> > and, if not, then there was none for the Model II.
>
> The only OS that came close to Unix for 8 bit micros was OS/9 for the
> 6809 and
> Don't forget Z80 Cromix...
And ELKS, and MINIX.
On the Z80 or 6809 (I know some Motorola coders consider the x86 an eight-bit
processor, but... ;-)?
OTOH, there's UZIX as well as Lunix.
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8:42 a.m.
On Tue, 13 Nov 2001, M H Stein wrote:
-----------Original Message----------
Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 20:45:49 -0700
From: Ben Franchuk <bfranchuk(a)jetnet.ab.ca>
Subject: Re: Xenix ?
Don Maslin wrote:
And Minix, but none of them are really Xenix.
- don
Somehow, I am inclined to question if there was a
Z-80 version of Xenix
and, if not, then there was none for the Model II.
The only OS that came close to Unix for 8 bit micros was OS/9 for the
6809 and
<snip>
----------------------------------------------------------
Don't forget Z80 Cromix...
mike
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