28 Apr
2011
28 Apr
'11
8:38 a.m.
At 18:09 -0500 4/27/11, ard wrote:
[1] I am not one of those. I have no qualifications in
electronics or
computing.
I think it would be fair to insert the word "formal".
You mean you don;'t have a bench supply???
Well, I have some orphaned in-line or wall-wart supplies intended for
computers, radios, etc. that I could chop the connectors off of. But
I figured the jump cables could put out more current.
H2 normally comes off at the -ve electorde too...
Yes, and I do know which jump cable is negative. So I guess I
shouldn't claim I was "lucky". But I was pretty prepared to be wrong,
on the whole. Chemistry puzzles me.
It's not uncommon to get Cl2 at the positive
electrode. Another reason to
do it in a well-ventilated area.
True! I forgot about that. The chemistry book we were looking at said
at a more concentrated solution of salt was more likely to produce
Cl2. That was a pretty simple mnemonic for me to remember, so I
didn't use much salt.
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28 Apr
28 Apr
11:32 a.m.
At 18:09 -0500 4/27/11, ard wrote:
What is an 'informal qualification'?
[1] I am not one of those. I have no
qualifications in electronics or
computing.
I think it would be fair to insert the word "formal". You mean you don;'t have a bench supply???
Well, I have some orphaned in-line or wall-wart supplies intended for
computers, radios, etc. that I could chop the connectors off of. But
I figured the jump cables could put out more current. It's not
uncommon to get Cl2 at the positive electrode. Another reason to
do it in a well-ventilated area.
True! I forgot about that. The chemistry book we were looking at said
at a more concentrated solution of salt was more likely to produce
Cl2. That was a pretty simple mnemonic for me to remember, so I
didn't use much salt. 
11:51 a.m.
On 4/28/11 2:32 PM, Tony Duell wrote:
What is an 'informal qualification'?
Simple: A gang of people who know what they're talking about,
asserting that YOU know what you're talking about.
In my not-commonly-shared-but-still-strongly-held opinion, it's the
only qualification that matters.
-Dave
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[1] I am not one of those. I have no qualifications in
electronics or
computing.
I think it would be fair to insert the word "formal".
12:24 p.m.
What is an
'informal qualification'?
Simple: A gang of people who know what they're talking about,
asserting that YOU know what you're talking about.
In my not-commonly-shared-but-still-strongly-held opinion, it's the
only qualification that matters.
I will crtainly agree that it is possible to be self-taught, and that
said 'traching' can go to a very high level. Just becase you haven't got
a bit of paper saying you know <foo> does not beam that you know nothign
about <foo> or, indeed, that yuou know less about <foo> than people with
said bit of paper.
[No, I am not claiming any of that applies to me...]
-tony
12:35 p.m.
On 4/28/11 3:24 PM, Tony Duell wrote:
And just hwo decides that said gang of peopole know what they are talkign
about? I can see an infinite regress about to start :-)
Nah, don't look at it in a suitly way. Our society works VERY VERY
HARD to try to "tune out" intuitive knowledge and replace everything
with so-called "facts" printed on paper. We've worked with people who
have a piece of paper that asserts that they know what they're talking
about, while we know that they really don't, and vice-versa.
We are of the same opinions here.
-Dave
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What is an 'informal qualification'?
Simple: A gang of people who know what they're talking about,
asserting that YOU know what you're talking about. In my
not-commonly-shared-but-still-strongly-held opinion, it's the
only qualification that matters.
I will crtainly agree that it is possible to be self-taught, and that
said 'traching' can go to a very high level. Just becase you haven't got
a bit of paper saying you know<foo> does not beam that you know nothign
about<foo> or, indeed, that yuou know less about<foo> than people with
said bit of paper.
[No, I am not claiming any of that applies to me...]
29 Apr
29 Apr
12:03 p.m.
On 4/28/11 3:24 PM, Tony Duell wrote:
And just who decides that said gang of peopole know what they are talking
about? I can see an infinite regress about to start :-)
Nah, don't look at it in a suitly way. Our society works VERY VERY
I don't think that suits would understand what is meant by 'infinite
regress' :-)
My comment was intended mostly in jest. I may be mostly a hardware
person, but I do find formal logic to be interesting. And that includes
various forms of recursive defintion and whether they actually terminate.
What is an 'informal qualification'?
Simple: A gang of people who know what they're talking about,
asserting that YOU know what you're talking about. HARD to try to "tune out" intuitive
knowledge and replace everything
with so-called "facts" printed on paper. We've worked with people who
Yes, and it sounds like we're both unhappy about that.
have a piece of paper that asserts that they know what
they're talking
about, while we know that they really don't, and vice-versa.
Indeed :-(
In my
not-commonly-shared-but-still-strongly-held opinion, it's the
only qualification that matters.
I will crtainly agree that it is possible to be self-taught, and that
said 'teaching' can go to a very high level. Just becase you haven't got
a bit of paper saying you know<foo> does not mean that you know nothing
about<foo> or, indeed, that yuou know less about<foo> than people with
said bit of paper.
[No, I am not claiming any of that applies to me...]
7:09 p.m.
On 4/29/11 3:03 PM, Tony Duell wrote:
Yes.
Are you saying that you don't consider me to be self-taught?
No, I'm agreeing with your assertion in the paragraph above.
-Dave
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Port Charlotte, FL
HARD to try to
"tune out" intuitive knowledge and replace everything
with so-called "facts" printed on paper. We've worked with people who
Yes, and it sounds like we're both unhappy about that. I will crtainly agree that it is possible to be
self-taught, and that
said 'teaching' can go to a very high level. Just becase you haven't got
a bit of paper saying you know<foo> does not mean that you know nothing
about<foo> or, indeed, that yuou know less about<foo> than people with
said bit of paper.
[No, I am not claiming any of that applies to me...]
We are of the same opinions here. 
28 Apr
28 Apr
12:47 p.m.
On 4/28/2011 3:24 PM, Tony Duell wrote:
I will crtainly agree that it is possible to be
self-taught, and that
said 'traching' can go to a very high level. Just becase you haven't got
a bit of paper saying you know<foo> does not beam that you know nothign
about<foo> or, indeed, that yuou know less about<foo> than people with
said bit of paper.
Tony,
I can usually decode your many misspellings and lysdexic-isms, but what
is "traching" ? Is this supposed to be "teaching?" Or perhaps some
British slang I'm not picking up on?
Every time I think you couldn't possibly exceed the number of
misspellings compared to your last message, you surprise me!
Keith
29 Apr
29 Apr
12:17 p.m.
On 4/28/2011 3:24 PM, Tony Duell wrote:
No, it's 'teaching'. Hit the wrong key ('R' is adjacent to
'E'...)
-tony
I will crtainly agree that it is possible to be
self-taught, and that
said 'traching' can go to a very high level. Just becase you haven't got
a bit of paper saying you know<foo> does not beam that you know nothign
about<foo> or, indeed, that yuou know less about<foo> than people with
said bit of paper.
Tony,
I can usually decode your many misspellings and lysdexic-isms, but what
is "traching" ? Is this supposed to be "teaching?" Or perhaps some
British slang I'm not picking up on? 
2:21 p.m.
On Fri, 29 Apr 2011, Tony Duell wrote:
You might want to try using one finger from each hand at a time instead of
two. :) *gd&r*
g.
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On 4/28/2011 3:24 PM, Tony Duell wrote:
No, it's 'teaching'. Hit the wrong key ('R' is adjacent to
'E'...)
I will crtainly agree that it is possible to be
self-taught, and that
said 'traching' can go to a very high level. Just becase you haven't got
a bit of paper saying you know<foo> does not beam that you know nothign
about<foo> or, indeed, that yuou know less about<foo> than people with
said bit of paper.
Tony,
I can usually decode your many misspellings and lysdexic-isms, but what
is "traching" ? Is this supposed to be "teaching?" Or perhaps some
British slang I'm not picking up on? 
28 Apr
28 Apr
12:44 p.m.
On Thu, 28 Apr 2011, Dave McGuire wrote:
On 4/28/11 2:32 PM, Tony Duell wrote:
What is an 'informal qualification'?
Simple: A gang of people who know what they're talking about, asserting
that YOU know what you're talking about.
In my not-commonly-shared-but-still-strongly-held opinion, it's the only
qualification that matters.
+0x01.
g.
--
Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.
http://www.simpits.org/geneb - The Me-109F/X Project
ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment
A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes.
http://www.scarletdme.org - Get it _today_!
Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical
minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which
holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd
by the clean end.
[1] I am not one of those. I have no qualifications in
electronics or
computing.
I think it would be fair to insert the word "formal". 
2:20 p.m.
New subject: Bench supply (Was: cctalk Digest, Vol 92, Issue 67
At 18:09 -0500 4/27/11, ard wrote:
>[1] I am not one of those. I have no qualifications in electronics or
>computing.
On Thu, 28 Apr 2011, Mark Tapley wrote:
I think it would be fair to insert the word
"formal".
Tony seems like an informal kinda guy!
I can not imagine him wearing a tux.
You mean you
don;'t have a bench supply???
Well, I have some orphaned in-line or wall-wart
supplies intended for
computers, radios, etc. that I could chop the connectors off of. But
I figured the jump cables could put out more current.
29 Apr
29 Apr
1:07 p.m.
New subject: Bench supply (Was: cctalk Digest, Vol 92, Issue 67
At 18:09 -0500 4/27/11, ard wrote:
>[1] I am not one of those. I have no qualifications in electronics or
>computing.
On Thu, 28 Apr 2011, Mark Tapley wrote:
I think it would be fair to insert the word
"formal".
Tony seems like an informal kinda guy! I can not imagine him wearing a tux.
I think I've worn one exactly once in my life (to get my first degree,
univerities expect things like that, and they can refuse to grant the
degree if you don't comply).
You mean
you don;'t have a bench supply???
Well, I have some orphaned in-line or
wall-wart supplies intended for
computers, radios, etc. that I could chop the connectors off of. But
I figured the jump cables could put out more current. a boot for storing the connecting cables, and some
tools. It has a radio
that can be used while working, and bright work lights on one end,
although not as readily aimable as would be nice. Those worklights can
also function, when removed, as an excellent dummy load. Although it
One of my old books of enginering hints and tips suggests making up an
extension lead so one of said 'work lights' can be removed and used
separately..
could easily be modified to run on the hydrogen that
it is capable of
producing, unfortunately, the efficiency is too low for it to produce as
much hydrogen as it would require for sustained operation.
Well, if you can make a system which will burn hydrogen in an engine and
use the resulting mechanical otuput of said engine to run a generator to
electrolyse water to make hyrdrogen and if you end up producing more
hydrogen than you burn, a lot of people will be very interested.
-tony
3:51 p.m.
New subject: Bench supply (Was: cctalk Digest, Vol 92, Issue 67
> A somewhat bulky, heavy, relatively high capacity
12V supply, that has a
> built-in petrol powered charger, and is not only on wheels for moving it,
> it is self-propelled. That makes it readily movable to alternate sites,
> and can even be used for moving the whole thing to a petrol dispensary
> when the fuel supply needs to be replenished. Although the guvmint
> regulates transporting it under its own power, there is little or no
> regulation of what you can do with it while stationary. It has seats, not
> quite like a Cray, that are even enclosed (with windows) for inclement
> weather (some teenagers re-purpose it as a romantic assignation). It has
On Fri, 29 Apr 2011, Tony Duell wrote:
Undortuneatly there is not normally enough space to
provide a workbench
inside.So you can sit down, but there;s nowhere to put the PCB you're
working on.
That is certainly the worst drawback. Most of the other complaints are
minor, such as that the metronome on the front window is uncalibrated and
not easy to get an accurate speed adjustment.
could easily
be modified to run on the hydrogen that it is capable of
producing, unfortunately, the efficiency is too low for it to produce as
much hydrogen as it would require for sustained operation.
Well, if you can make a
system which will burn hydrogen in an engine and
use the resulting mechanical otuput of said engine to run a generator to
electrolyse water to make hyrdrogen and if you end up producing more
hydrogen than you burn, a lot of people will be very interested. 
4:08 p.m.
New subject: Bench supply (Was: cctalk Digest, Vol 92, Issue 67
On 29 Apr 2011 at 15:51, Fred Cisin wrote:
and yet, there are still people buying into devices
such as the one
that s'posedly improves gas mileage by using PART of the power to
create hydrogen gas to be used to supplement the petrol in the
carburetor!
One of my favorite web sites of the absurd:
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Main_Page
There seems to be a fascination with Tesla coils, magnets and "HHO
gas", not to mention overbalanced wheels and other such stuff.
--Chuck
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