30 Mar
2000
30 Mar
'00
3 a.m.
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From: CLASSICCMP(a)trailing-edge.com <CLASSICCMP(a)trailing-edge.com>
To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Date: Friday, March 31, 2000 12:42 PM
Subject: RE: I need some PDP-11 RT11 archiving software
under
>I am spending all my time right now packing and
rackmounting - I have no
>time to write anything. I will have some people come over and feed in the
>paper tape this weekend. While I won't be able to archive most of it, I do
>hope to at least read in most of the source code on paper tape. (I have
over
>310 PDP-1 paper tapes alone).
>
>This program needs to be *very* easy to use and hopefully supports
>X/Y-MODEM. I will set up a terminal program at this end that supports 32
>character file names (windows 98). This program would have to run under
>RT11-V3B, or RT11V4 BL. Hopefully it would send the code down a serial
line
separate serial
port.
Umm, what's wrong with Kermit? The latest Kermit for RT does just fine RT-11 V4, and Kermit is available for just about every
other piece
of hardware ever created. See ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/
PC05 with a PC11 controller.
It would be really nice if this software just
asked the end user to load a
paper tape, then huit return, and it sends the data read out a separate
serial port, then prompts to load the next one.
What sort of paper tape reader are you using? If it's a serial reader,
you can hook it straight up to a PC-clone running MS-DOS and MS-Kermit
(or Linux and C-Kermit) and archive the tapes that way. Both MS-Kermit
and C-Kermit include powerful scripting languages.
Remember, you *don't* have to start from scratch, others of us have
been archiving this sort of stuff for many years.
I appreciate that. Do you have this archived:
PDP-1 source code.
PDP-11 source code - Dos/Batch-11 , RT11. I also have source code to most of
the packages they released.
If you have this stuff then I won't bother archiving all the source code I
have and pass it on. I did get almost all the source from the original
minicomputers dec knocked out.. alot of it was internal.
john
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31 Mar
31 Mar
5:29 a.m.
John B. wrote:
PDP-1 source code.
PDP-11 source code - Dos/Batch-11 , RT11. I also have source code to most of
the packages they released.
If you have this stuff then I won't bother archiving all the source code I
have and pass it on. I did get almost all the source from the original
minicomputers dec knocked out.. alot of it was internal.
Jerome Fine replies:
I just saw all your messages. I wonder why they were delayed for so long.
In any case, I would like to help at least with the RX01/RX02 floppy
diskettes. I have one working RX02 drive and a spare ESDI drive of
600 MBytes that I can use to hold more than 1000 floppy images.
If that would at least help to hold all the 8" floppy data, I could pick
them up ASAP and return them by April 4th, 2000.
I will try and phone you again later today.
Sincerely yours,
Jerome Fine
6:19 a.m.
New subject: Storage Machine 1
I was just looking over a notebook on what appears to be an OS called
Storage Machine 1 by FileTek. I was wondering if anyone knows anything
about this, and what hardware it ran on. Some notes identify the
cartridge tape drive as "TK50" and the system seesm to have had a big optical
disk library device, about 2.3 or 2.6 gigs.
Does this sound familiar to anyone? It came in a pile of material from a
DG Nova system.
5:57 a.m.
>This program needs to be *very* easy to use and
hopefully supports
>X/Y-MODEM. I will set up a terminal program at this end that supports 32
Umm, what's wrong with Kermit? The latest Kermit
for RT does just fine
Funny, I've been using Kermit since 1981 and FTP since 1985 and
I still don't know which egg/chicken came first.
They seem awfully similar from a user's standpoint.
Anybody know If FTP is based on Kermit or Vice-Versa?
John A.
6:27 a.m.
John Allain wrote:
Funny, I've been using Kermit since 1981 and FTP
since 1985 and
I still don't know which egg/chicken came first.
They seem awfully similar from a user's standpoint.
Anybody know If FTP is based on Kermit or Vice-Versa?
Dunno, but I was using FTP in 1975-76. I'd guess that
any behavioral resemblence is more a consequence of the
two both having similar functions, i.e., moving files
around, rather than any sort of common parentage...
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Chris Kennedy
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6:56 a.m.
New subject: Original ARPANET protocols (was: I need some PDP-11 RT11 archiving software)
On Fri, 31 Mar 2000, Chris Kennedy wrote:
Dunno, but I was using FTP in 1975-76. I'd guess that
any behavioral resemblence is more a consequence of the
two both having similar functions, i.e., moving files
around, rather than any sort of common parentage...
If you were using it in 1975-1976, it wasn't FTP as it exists today -
it would be the FTP implemented on top of the "old" ARPANET protocols
(sometimes referred to as "NCP", but I believe more properly referred to
as simply "Host-to-Host Protocol").
But that reminds me of a question I had while I was having lunch today ...
Was there ever an implementation of the old ARPANET protocols on a PDP-11
or VAX Unix? If it ever existed, I'd guess it would have had to have been
on top of Seventh Edition, but I can't recall ever seeing any drivers for
an ACC LH/DH or DEC IMP-11 on any incarnation of that platform. Berkeley
Unix added TCP/IP in 4.1a, but I don't remember if there had been any
ARPANET support (for the old protocol) before that.
--Pat.
7:29 a.m.
New subject: Original ARPANET protocols (was: I need some PDP-11 RT11 archiving software)
Pat Barron wrote:
If you were using it in 1975-1976, it wasn't FTP
as it exists today -
it would be the FTP implemented on top of the "old" ARPANET protocols
(sometimes referred to as "NCP", but I believe more properly referred to
as simply "Host-to-Host Protocol").
That's correct.
But that reminds me of a question I had while I was
having lunch today ...
Was there ever an implementation of the old ARPANET protocols on a PDP-11
or VAX Unix?
Not that I know of. There was an implementation running on a non-Unix
capabilities-list operating system at LLL called, IIRC, RATS/RISOS that
I believe had such an implementation. Everything else I came in contact
with had VDH IMP interfaces.
--
Chris Kennedy
chris(a)mainecoon.com
http://www.mainecoon.com
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9:37 a.m.
Dunno, but I was using FTP in 1975-76. I'd guess
that
any behavioral resemblence is more a consequence of the
two both having similar functions, i.e., moving files
around, rather than any sort of common parentage...
I remember my wife bringing home a little sheet of paper with some stuff to
type in on my Apple II and it downloaded a working version of Kermit from
the university computers. I still don't know how to use Kermit. ;) But I
don't let that get in the way of using it a little.
8:35 p.m.
New subject: CDrom and SunStation 330
I ran accross a reference in the newsgroups that indicates the Toshiba
3701b cdrom drive can be run on a sun box with the change of a single
jumper but what jumper. Also, this drive's id jumpers are labeled
id1,id2,id4 instead of the normal convention. How should I configure id6.
I am trying to boot Solaris 7 for sparc on a sparcstation 330 which does
not have the 'new' command prompt - only the old monitor.
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Who is General Failure and why is he reading my hard disk?
Technoid(a)Cheta.net
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1 Apr
1 Apr
7:09 a.m.
New subject: CDrom and SunStation 330
Technoid(a)cheta.net wrote:
I ran accross a reference in the newsgroups that
indicates the Toshiba
3701b cdrom drive can be run on a sun box with the change of a single
jumper but what jumper.
I've no ideal; all of my "Sun" CDROM drives are Toshiba but other than
a factory test jumper and the ID jumpers there's nothing to suggest that
they have hardware-selected block sizes.
Also, this drive's id jumpers are labeled
id1,id2,id4 instead of the normal convention. How should I configure id6.
Um that *is* the normal convention -- address bitweights. 2 + 4 = 6 :-)
I am trying to boot Solaris 7 for sparc on a
sparcstation 330 which does
not have the 'new' command prompt - only the old monitor.
I doubt it's going to work. 2.7 (aka 5.7 aka Solaris 7) was supposed
to have dropped support for all VME machines save for the 660MP
(which then got ditched by 2.8 [aka 5.8 aka Solairs 8 -- pick your
marketing convention]).
You might try 2.6; certainly 2.5.1 plus a ton of patches should work.
--
Chris Kennedy
chris(a)mainecoon.com
http://www.mainecoon.com
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7:45 a.m.
New subject: CDrom and SunStation 330
One of my previous responses has the URL for the Sun CDROM Faq; this is
answered toward the bottom.
Aaron
On Sat, 1 Apr 2000 Technoid(a)cheta.net wrote:
I ran accross a reference in the newsgroups that
indicates the Toshiba
3701b cdrom drive can be run on a sun box with the change of a single
jumper but what jumper. Also, this drive's id jumpers are labeled
id1,id2,id4 instead of the normal convention. How should I configure id6.
I am trying to boot Solaris 7 for sparc on a sparcstation 330 which does
not have the 'new' command prompt - only the old monitor.
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Jeffrey S. Worley
Technical Services
Bits & Bytes Computer Services Inc.
1979B Hendersonville Road
Asheville, NC 28803
828-684-8953 - voice 0900-1700 five days
828-687-9284 - 24hr fax
Who is General Failure and why is he reading my hard disk?
Technoid(a)Cheta.net
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