17 Feb
2015
17 Feb
'15
8:38 p.m.
so, what is easier to read and write?
IF STRING1 = STRING2
or
if !(strncmp(string1,string2,10) {
I've rewritten cobol into C a few times when I was a big enthusiast of C
and the C code was longer and harder to maintain.
On 2/17/2015 1:29 PM, John Foust wrote:
At 01:02 PM 2/17/2015, Ethan Dicks wrote:
What I read horrified me. How could anything be
that mind-crushingly
verbose?
As compared to purposefully terse C one-liners? :-)
- John
18 Feb
18 Feb
12:27 a.m.
I've rewritten cobol into C a few times when I was
a big enthusiast
of C and the C code was longer and harder to maintain.
That is no surprise to me. If you were to take code written in C and
translate it into COBOL, I'd generally expect the COBOL code to be
longer and harder to maintain, too.
Indeed, I'd expect that for pretty much any pair of languages;
translating code out of the idiom it was written for generally makes it
larger and harder to understand.
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1:55 a.m.
On 02/17/2015 09:27 PM, Mouse wrote:
That is no surprise to me. If you were to take code
written in C and
translate it into COBOL, I'd generally expect the COBOL code to be
longer and harder to maintain, too.
COBOL implements a PICTURE specification, and, with the exception of
PL/I, which copied it, was a stroke of genius. A PICTURE clause
specifies not only the display format, but also the type, scaling and usage.
You may think that the CORRESPONDING modifier is a singularly bad idea,
but it has its uses.
How many languages before COBOL had a regular syntax for defining data
structures?
COBOL is a powerful language with many different statement variations
and, like other languages, is absolute hell in the hands of a neophyte.
--Chuck
2:01 a.m.
On 2/17/2015 11:55 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote:
On 02/17/2015 09:27 PM, Mouse wrote:
I can not think of many languages before COBOL.
That is no surprise to me. If you were to take
code written in C and
translate it into COBOL, I'd generally expect the COBOL code to be
longer and harder to maintain, too.
COBOL implements a PICTURE specification, and, with the exception of
PL/I, which copied it, was a stroke of genius. A PICTURE clause
specifies not only the display format, but also the type, scaling and
usage.
You may think that the CORRESPONDING modifier is a singularly bad idea,
but it has its uses.
How many languages before COBOL had a regular syntax for defining data
structures?
COBOL is a powerful language with many different
statement variations
and, like other languages, is absolute hell in the hands of a neophyte.
I leave HELL for APL.
--Chuck
Ben.
3:47 a.m.
One language that seems to be completely ignored
when discussing languages, especially a
file-handling and reporting language like COBOL,
is dBase and the various other xBase languages
like FoxBase, FoxPro, Clipper etc.
Folks are often surprised that it is in fact still
around, in both 32 and 64 bit Windows versions
including Windows 8...
m
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On 02/17/2015 09:27 PM, Mouse wrote:
That is no surprise to me. If you were to take
code written in C and
translate it into COBOL, I'd generally expect
the COBOL code to be
longer and harder to maintain, too.
COBOL implements a PICTURE specification, and,
with the exception of PL/I, which copied it, was
a stroke of genius. A PICTURE clause specifies
not only the display format, but also the type,
scaling and usage.
You may think that the CORRESPONDING modifier is
a singularly bad idea, but it has its uses.
How many languages before COBOL had a regular
syntax for defining data structures?
COBOL is a powerful language with many different
statement variations and, like other languages,
is absolute hell in the hands of a neophyte.
--Chuck
4:18 p.m.
On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 03:47:42AM -0500, Mike Stein wrote:
dBase and the various other xBase languages like
FoxBase, FoxPro, Clipper
etc.
Folks are often surprised that it is in fact still around, in both 32 and
64 bit Windows versions including Windows 8...
There's also Harbour:
http://Harbour.github.io/
--
Kevin
http://www.RawFedDogs.net
http://www.Lassie.xyz
http://www.WacoAgilityGroup.org
Bruceville, TX
What's the definition of a legacy system? One that works!
Errare humanum est, ignoscere caninum.
5 p.m.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kevin Monceaux" <Kevin at RawFedDogs.net>
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic
Posts" <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2015 4:18 PM
Subject: Re: Rich kids are into COBOL
On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 03:47:42AM -0500, Mike
Stein wrote:
dBase and the various other xBase languages
like FoxBase, FoxPro, Clipper
etc.
Folks are often surprised that it is in fact
still around, in both 32 and
64 bit Windows versions including Windows 8...
There's also Harbour:
http://Harbour.github.io/
--
Kevin
http://www.RawFedDogs.net
http://www.Lassie.xyz
http://www.WacoAgilityGroup.org
Bruceville, TX
What's the definition of a legacy system? One
that works!
Errare humanum est, ignoscere caninum.
7:56 p.m.
Very interesting; hadn't heard of it till now.
Thanks for the heads-up!
m
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To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic
Posts" <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2015 4:18 PM
Subject: Re: Rich kids are into COBOL
On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 03:47:42AM -0500, Mike
Stein wrote:
dBase and the various other xBase languages
like FoxBase, FoxPro, Clipper
etc.
Folks are often surprised that it is in fact
still around, in both 32 and
64 bit Windows versions including Windows 8...
There's also Harbour:
http://Harbour.github.io/
--
Kevin
http://www.RawFedDogs.net
http://www.Lassie.xyz
http://www.WacoAgilityGroup.org
Bruceville, TX
What's the definition of a legacy system? One
that works!
Errare humanum est, ignoscere caninum.
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