3 Nov
2011
3 Nov
'11
6:30 a.m.
Had a IIe, a gs, and several Mac SEs and SE 30s take missing this past
weekend, along with some empty filing cabinets and a pedestal for a TI
DS-10 drive. DS-50 disappeared a while back. Anyone else having a problem?
jbdigriz
3 Nov
3 Nov
6:57 a.m.
Very likely scrap peddlers. We are having big problems with people
stealing lead off roofs, plumbing from empty houses and even metal
fences in the UK. Price of metals is very high so scrap value is also
good.
They probably think they have gold in them that they can profit from.
Little do they realise the boards in SEs and SE/30s don't have any
IIRC ;)
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Mark Benson
http://DECtec.info
7:49 a.m.
On Thu, 3 Nov 2011 13:57:52 +0000
Mark Benson <md.benson at gmail.com> wrote:
Very likely scrap peddlers. We are having big problems
with people
stealing lead off roofs, plumbing from empty houses and even metal
fences in the UK. Price of metals is very high so scrap value is also
good.
Tell me about it. I do some work for a property management co. that's
had appliances, wiring, plumbing, A/C units, condensers, compressors,
etc. disappear from units. Pretty discouraging sometimes.
I like to visit the local scrapyards. Some pretty amazing stuff out
there sometimes. And it makes you ponder weighty subjects like the
future of civilization and junk. Sometimes you get some pretty keen
insights into the way things work, too. But I digress...
They probably think they have gold in them that they
can profit from.
Little do they realise the boards in SEs and SE/30s don't have any
IIRC ;)
They do have copper, though, for sure. Other valuable metals too.
Still only economical to recover safely with some significant
investment. There are more places buying scrap boards now, though.
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8:02 a.m.
On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 2:49 PM, James B. DiGriz <jbdigriz at dragonsweb.org> wrote:
?They do have copper, though, for sure. Other valuable
metals too.
?Still only economical to recover safely with some significant
?investment. There are more places buying scrap boards now, though.
Copper, heavy metals, steels chassis, yes there's plenty to claim, I
was just poking a bit of fun :)
It seems very sad. I keep my most precious vintage machines in the
house with me these days, or in a warm, locked alarmed self storage
unit near where I work. With luck they will be safe in those places.
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Mark Benson
http://DECtec.info
9:37 a.m.
On Thu, 3 Nov 2011 15:02:59 +0000
Mark Benson <md.benson at gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 2:49 PM, James B. DiGriz
<jbdigriz at dragonsweb.org> wrote:
I got that ;-), but it's still a valid consideration.
?They do have copper, though, for sure. Other
valuable metals too.
?Still only economical to recover safely with some significant
?investment. There are more places buying scrap boards now, though.
Copper, heavy metals, steels chassis, yes there's plenty to claim, I
was just poking a bit of fun :)
It seems very sad. I keep my most precious vintage machines in the
house with me these days, or in a warm, locked alarmed self storage
unit near where I work. With luck they will be safe in those places.
Like to run them, not store them. My latest acquisition is a
barely marginally topical Dell Poweredge 4400 from 1999. It will save on
running the heater this winter, though.
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10:36 a.m.
On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 4:37 PM, James B. DiGriz <jbdigriz at dragonsweb.org> wrote:
I got that ;-), but it's still a valid
consideration.
I was lying. I think some 68030 chips had gold-plated caps on them :)
> It seems very sad. I keep my most precious vintage
machines in the
> house with me these days, or in a warm, locked alarmed self storage
> unit near where I work. With luck they will be safe in those places.
Like to run them, not store them
If I had the space and energy bills weren't such a worry I would too :)
My latest acquisition is a barely marginally topical
Dell Poweredge 4400 from 1999. It will save on
running the heater this winter, though.
I have a HP zx6000 Integrity machine for that. OpenVMS at 1000mph...
with extra heating :D The Alpha PWS does a pretty decent job of that
too.
Strangely most of my older stuff doesn't run that warm, but it's
mostly small stuff.
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Mark Benson
http://DECtec.info
11:10 a.m.
New subject: OpenVMS hosts (was Re: Post Jobs speculation or just scrap thieves?)
On Thu, 3 Nov 2011 17:36:15 +0000
Mark Benson <md.benson at gmail.com> wrote:
Nice.
Funny you should mention OpenVMS in this context. I had in mind to run
my simh/Hobbyist instance, pemvax.dragonsweb.org (offline at the
moment), on a vm on the 4400, but I might wait till I get an HP/Compaq
machine for that. It's on an old Tyan Thunderbolt box right now,
but running it on a Dell seems like dropping a small-block 350 into a
Mustang, for some reason. Just not done ;-)
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Like to run them, not store them
If I had the space and energy bills weren't such a worry I would
too :)
My latest acquisition is a barely marginally
topical Dell Poweredge
4400 from 1999. It will save on running the heater this winter,
though.
I have a HP zx6000 Integrity machine for that. OpenVMS at 1000mph...
with extra heating :D The Alpha PWS does a pretty decent job of that
too.
10:15 a.m.
On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 9:57 AM, Mark Benson <md.benson at gmail.com> wrote:
They probably think they have gold in them that they
can profit from.
Little do they realise the boards in SEs and SE/30s don't have any
IIRC ;)
Gold plating is, and was, pretty common to prevent corrosion in connectors,
sockets and pins. However you only need an incredibly thin layer of gold to
be effective. An entire computer system using completely gold plated
connectors probably only contains a few micrograms of gold.
11:30 a.m.
On Thu, 3 Nov 2011 13:42:58 -0400
William Donzelli <wdonzelli at gmail.com> wrote:
Nah, that yellowish luster is only >simulated< gold plating, Will,
like on a CrackerJack prize ;-) While it might fool some
knuckle-dragging scrap thief, it is, of course, utterly worthless,
other than having some mild corrosion inhibiting properties. But you
knew that, right? ;-)
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entire
computer system using completely gold plated
connectors probably only contains a few micrograms of gold.
Wrong. Do some Google research.
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Will 
12:29 p.m.
----- Original Message -----
From: "James B. DiGriz" <jbdigriz at dragonsweb.org>
To: <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 2:30 PM
Subject: Re: Post Jobs speculation or just scrap thieves?
On Thu, 3 Nov 2011 13:42:58 -0400
William Donzelli <wdonzelli at gmail.com> wrote:
Nah, that yellowish luster is only >simulated< gold plating, Will,
like on a CrackerJack prize ;-) While it might fool some
knuckle-dragging scrap thief, it is, of course, utterly worthless,
other than having some mild corrosion inhibiting properties. But you
knew that, right? ;-)
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http://www.scribd.com/doc/28911037/Gold-Content-List-in-CPU-Chips
Some of my favorite chips are getting melted down for gold.
entire
computer system using completely gold plated
connectors probably only contains a few micrograms of gold.
Wrong. Do some Google research.
--
Will
4 Nov
4 Nov
11:29 a.m.
On Thu, 3 Nov 2011 15:29:46 -0400
"TeoZ" <teoz at neo.rr.com> wrote:
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Some of my favorite chips are getting melted down for gold.
Sigh.
That reminds me, however, that I have a couple of PPro 200's (256K)
lying around that I'd be more than happy to swap for a couple of
Pentium II Overdrives. That's about as good a litmus test as I can
think of :-)
Sorry for the irony bomb in the other thread I forked. Looking for real
Vax or Alpha server to run OpenVMS on, if anyone knows of one needing a
home.
jbdigriz
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