14 Feb
2004
14 Feb
'04
9:11 a.m.
In other news I've just managed to delete my entire classiccmp folder from
Outlook, which is nice. All 600-odd messages of stuff.
I installed Office 2003 'cos I'm unofficial IT support for Mrs Witchy's
school, and the edu version allows 3 home installs. Thing is, because the
new Outlook is obviously a complete rewrite of the previous version the
default behaviour of folder selecting has changed, only they don't tell you
that.
In Outlook 2000 when you selected a folder the first message was
automatically selected, so if it was one you weren't interested in you could
just hit delete and it would be gone, or you could up'n'down arrow to select
messages. (Yes, I shift-delete so I don't have to keep emptying 'deleted
items'). You could TAB and CTRL-TAB round the windows perfectly happily and
whichever folder you tabbed or arrowed onto would be displayed.
In Outlook 2003 you can't just TAB round the windows any more. Oh no. You
have to TAB and space-to-select just like a web browser. If you select a
folder then you've *just selected the folder*, so deleting will delete the
folder and it's contents with no warning other than 'are you sure you want
to delete the selected item'.
Bastards.
And before anyone says 'backup' yes I probably should. But since I've had
the same outlook file with pretty much no disasters since 1996 why should I
start now. More to the point, why should the behaviour of Outlook change
with no warning....
And another thing - I have a rule set that all messages from classiccmp go
into said folder, and since the deletion I've recreated the folder amidst
much swearing. A message has just arrived and a box has popped up saying
'can't move to the classiccmp folder' when it quite clearly can 'cos the
fucking folder is there!
Gah!
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14 Feb
14 Feb
9:43 a.m.
New subject: another reason to not like microsloth - caution, may contain rant.
>> All 600-odd messages of stuff.
I could forward you the last 4000 messages or so......
Select All...Forward.....
>>> You have to TAB and space-to-select...
Actually one of the main "features" of Office 2003 is the standardization of
actions that previously varied. While initially annoying, it is actually
much nicer to have the same keep sequence behave the same way in more
application.
>>And before anyone says....
Have to say it...It is because of unexpected occurrences like this.
>>>'can't move to the classiccmp
folder'
Actually THAT folder is no longer there. What you have is a NEW folder that
just happens to have the same NAME. This is quite deliberate so if you
change the name of a folder, the rule continues to work (i.e. messages still
go into that folder).
David.
10 a.m.
New subject: OT: another reason to not like microsloth - caution, may contain rant.
On Sat, 14 Feb 2004, Witchy wrote:
In other news I've just managed to delete my
entire classiccmp folder from
Outlook, which is nice. All 600-odd messages of stuff.
[sad-but-true screed snipped]
After having used BillWare since Win3.x, and having installed and
maintained three small office-type servers, and dozens of
BillWare-infected PCs - I am now in the laborious process of putting some
flavor of *ix on every modern computer I own or have responsibility for.
The only exceptions will those few programs which are Bill-centric *and*
have no *ix analogue, *and* which I cannot do without... luckily this
class of 'badly concieved' software is growing ever more in the minority.
Free BSD - Mandrake - Debian - Fedora - I will have nothing more to do
with anything out of Redmond insofar as is possible, as soon as possible.
It's a Perversion of the Universe that the Richest Geek in America is
*not* Linus Torvalds.... IMnotSHO...
Note that the Laptop from which I type this has not undergone the
DeBillification Process yet - because it is soon to be replaced with more
modern iron, and *that* machine will be cleansed first, then filled with
*ixish Stuff...
And I am sorry for your loss, Witchy - may you soon be free of EgoSoft
and all it's allotropes...
Cheerz
John
10:14 a.m.
Quothe Witchy, from writings of Sat, Feb 14, 2004 at 08:11:12PM -0000:
In other news I've just managed to delete my
entire classiccmp folder from
Outlook, which is nice. All 600-odd messages of stuff.
I installed Office 2003 'cos I'm unofficial IT support for Mrs Witchy's
school, and the edu version allows 3 home installs. Thing is, because the
new Outlook is obviously a complete rewrite of the previous version the
default behaviour of folder selecting has changed, only they don't tell you
that.
In Outlook 2000 when you selected a folder the first message was
Speaking of Micro$oft problems and 2000, anyone have any advice on
cloning all of the OS files on a Windoze 2000 Pro PeeCee? I found one
(very, very, cheap) well over a year ago at a thrift shop, to use for
some audio utilities that I can't use from UNIX or MacOS. The problem
is, I don't have a Windoze 2000 Pro CD, and if the system crashes,
it's bye bye OS. So, I need some sort of system backup. Do I just
need to unhide hidden files, then copy everything to a spare hard
disk, or is the process more involved than that?
I realize that one can't install Windoze-95 from a CD-ROM without some
sort of software key (unless one just gets the number from the
registry of some other computer runing Windoze, then enters that
number, and then windoze will install---that was an easy one to figure
out), so I'm guessing that there may be some hidden tricks that one
needs to be aware of with copying Windoze 2000.
Bastards.
That word, for them, is not very harsh, and still makes them sound too
nice.
Gah!
That should be the official Micro$oft sound. :-)
Does something called Norton Utilities still exist for Microsoft products?
I remember that one could use it to undelete files from PC-DOS systems.
If you haven't already overwritten that file by now, perhaps it's worth
a try.
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http://www.rddavis.org beliefs and to justify much human cruelty.
10:47 a.m.
New subject: OT: another reason to not like microsloth - caution, may contain rant.
> or is the process more involved than that?
That will basically to it, but there are some caveats. Rather than going
into all the details, lets just say it is much easier to use an image backup
program (such as Norton Ghost) which will make a nice CD/DVD/Harddrive image
of you current machine state.
>If you haven't already overwritten that file by
now, perhaps it's worth a
try.
Mail messages are all stored in one PST file (typically), what he did was
delete information from within the file. It was not an operation at the file
system level.
please contact me off list if you have additional questions.
David V. Corbin
Dynamic Concepts Development Corp.
david(a)dynamicconcepts.us
2:21 p.m.
-----Original Message-----
From: cctalk-bounces(a)classiccmp.org
[mailto:cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of David V. Corbin
Sent: 14 February 2004 21:47
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Subject: RE: OT: another reason to not like microsloth -
caution, may contain rant.
Mail messages are all stored in one PST file (typically),
what he did was delete information from within the file. It
was not an operation at the file system level.
Sadly, for my sins I'm an MCSE - sorry, it wasn't by choice - so I know what
I did toasted the folder.
Thanks to the list members who've offered backups of the messages though :D
Cheers
w
4:10 p.m.
New subject: OT: another reason to not like microsloth - caution, may contain rant.
>Sadly, for my sins I'm an MCSE...
Witchy
My comments were direct more towards R.D. Davis's comments on being able to
recover files, than to your original post.
David.
-----Original Message-----
From: cctalk-bounces(a)classiccmp.org
[mailto:cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Witchy
Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2004 8:21 PM
To: 'General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts'
Subject: RE: OT: another reason to not like microsloth - caution,may
contain rant.
-----Original Message-----
From: cctalk-bounces(a)classiccmp.org
[mailto:cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of David V. Corbin
Sent: 14 February 2004 21:47
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Subject: RE: OT: another reason to not like microsloth -
caution, may contain rant.
Mail messages are all stored in one PST file (typically),
what he did was delete information from within the file. It
was not an operation at the file system level.
Sadly, for my sins I'm an MCSE - sorry, it wasn't by choice - so I know what
I did toasted the folder.
Thanks to the list members who've offered backups of the messages though :D
Cheers
w
15 Feb
15 Feb
2:44 a.m.
New subject: OT: another reason to not like microsloth - caution, may contain rant.
On Sun, 15 Feb 2004, Witchy wrote:
> Mail messages are all stored in one PST file
(typically),
That largely depends on the mail system used.
Sadly, for my sins I'm an MCSE -
So am I,
and have been for many years.
--f
3:31 a.m.
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Fred N. van Kempen wrote:
We have to go where the money is. That's why I play with Mac's, Sgi,
Sun and NeXT at home. Keeps me sane.
James
--
http://webpages.charter.net/jrice54/classiccomp2.html
Sadly, for my
sins I'm an MCSE -
So am I, and have been for many years.
--f
6:03 a.m.
New subject: OT: another reason to not like microsloth - caution, may contain rant.
On Sun, 15 Feb 2004, David V. Corbin wrote:
Fred,
the comment in question was specifically related to mS Outlook.....
Thats not a
mail system, that is a client program. And even with
Outlook, there's two completely different ones, Outlook and -Express.
--f
9:31 a.m.
New subject: OT: another reason to not like microsloth - caution, may contain rant.
the comment in
question was specifically related to mS Outlook.....
Thats not a mail system, that
is a client program. And even with
Outlook, there's two completely different ones, Outlook and -Express. 
12:36 a.m.
You want Norton Ghost for this. It allows you to save a bit-for-bit image
of a disk partition, including writing onto removable media such as CDRs.
--Bill
----- Original Message ----- > Speaking of Micro$oft problems and 2000, anyone have any
advice on
cloning all of the OS files on a Windoze 2000 Pro
PeeCee? I found one
(very, very, cheap) well over a year ago at a thrift shop, to use for
some audio utilities that I can't use from UNIX or MacOS. The problem
is, I don't have a Windoze 2000 Pro CD, and if the system crashes,
it's bye bye OS. So, I need some sort of system backup. Do I just
need to unhide hidden files, then copy everything to a spare hard
disk, or is the process more involved than that?
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