the last thing I would want is some average guy with a concealed weapons permit having a gun on board... getting a permit is too easy and without proper training would be more dangerous than safe. 9/11 was a paridigm shift from hijacking being a "take me where I want to go scenario" to guaranteed death. I would believe that any passenger jet that was taken over by any means would not succeed now because of what passengers would do rather than sitting back and waiting. Those days are gone. We all have different levels of tolerance, Some of the stuff is BS with regards to what coould be considered a weapon or even that 80 year old people were searched as possibilities. In my opinion, it is not all BS. What the puiblic hears about is a fraction of what goes on. What we do hear about, we have the giovernment and media all spinning the stuff in different directions. Steve -----Original Message----- From: Ed Kelleher <Pres(a)macro-inc.com> Sent: Aug 7, 2004 11:56 AM To: Steve Thatcher <melamy(a)earthlink.net>et>, "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> Subject: Re: Holy cow... At 08:12 PM 8/6/2004, you wrote: Sorry, it is BS. If we wanted to make things safer, we'd let citizens with concealed weapons permits carry guns on planes. Ed