18 Mar
1998
18 Mar
'98
4:23 a.m.
A good mailing list / BBS / forum / whatever has a benevolent dictator.
A moderator. Someone who rules with a light hand, and who has the time
and good nature to police unruly threads. A simple solution is to reject
the person's message, but this requires human intervention.
It's usually pretty easy to shift these mail lists from automatic
to moderated, but then there's a posting delay as the moderator
approves messages... and I think it's too much to ask for someone
to volunteer 10+ hours a week to trim and approve postings.
I've always thought a much more sensible approach is the private
news server. It allows pruning of unruly threads, either by the
reader (ignoring off-topic subjects) or by a B.D. who trims
away junk messages. It allows auto-archiving. It doesn't clog
mail routes and mail boxes. You can read it with any Usenet news reader,
just point to someone else's server. It would be easy to split
into .hardware, .software, .culture sub-groups.
Wirehead Prime <wirehead(a)retrocomputing.com> wrote:
2. Who's fault is it that you've apparently
never learned to use a
delete key?
Uhm, so why did you decide it was useful to include a quoted
copy of Sam's post? Excess bytes vex me more than swear words, but
almost as much as conspiracy theories.
- John
Jefferson Computer Museum <http://www.threedee.com/jcm>
18 Mar
18 Mar
5:01 a.m.
John Foust wrote:
I've always thought a much more sensible approach
is the private
news server. It allows pruning of unruly threads, either by the
reader (ignoring off-topic subjects) or by a B.D. who trims
away junk messages. It allows auto-archiving. It doesn't clog
mail routes and mail boxes. You can read it with any Usenet news reader,
just point to someone else's server. It would be easy to split
into .hardware, .software, .culture sub-groups.
Good idea in a way but my days back as a SysOp on my own private Fidonet BBS
shows these closed areas/news servers to be VERY boring. The same people
write the same things, and it gets extremely predictable. Although there's an
occasional email scuffle, open areas that are topic specific seem to work the
best. (Just my
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5:55 a.m.
I've deleted many EXCELLENT ideas that John presented. Not because I
disagree with them but because I think they stand on their own merit
without me ratifying them by quoting them.
As for below, I quoted Sam's entire post because the last time I had to
deal with him I found that he would twist what he had originally said and
what I had said and that people picking up my post but not his assumed
that I was the aggressor. Posting unnecessary bytes is the only way to
insure that everyone can see what's really happening ...not filtered
through someone else's bitterness and foul language.
As for conspiracy theories, if Sam's intentions are pure why does he feel
the need to preface his announcements of a new discussion group with
comments trashing this one?
Why not just go off, start a new discussion group and let the cards fall
where they may? Because, then, he risks the embarassment that could
result if nobody goes to his new group. The only way to insure against
that is to do whatever he can to cause the demise of this group. He said
himself that he felt it would be best to let this group die. If you have
a family member (imperfect analogy but we'll go with it) who is in a bed,
perhaps dying, being kept alive by life support...it's one thing to say,
"We should pull the plug, let him or her go and go on with our lives."
but quite another to say that while poking the poor wretch with a pointy
stick or putting a pillow over their face.
There's absolutely nothing wrong with him starting a new group. In fact,
I encourage him to do so. But to trash this one and insist upon it's
destruction is wrong. Especially when he stands to benefit by being in
control of the whole enchilada when the dust settles.
If he starts a new group and it's run so much better that it becomes more
popular and nobody comes here anymore then so be it. But to sit there
and say that this group should die because he, personally, doesn't like
some of the people here and to make statements insulting anyone who
doesn't agree with his point of view is just mean. There's no reason for
it and I think it reveals his TRUE motivations.
Anthony Clifton - Wirehead
Wirehead Prime <wirehead(a)retrocomputing.com>
wrote:
2. Who's fault is it that you've
apparently never learned to use a
delete key?
Uhm, so why did you decide it was useful to include a quoted
copy of Sam's post? Excess bytes vex me more than swear words, but
almost as much as conspiracy theories.
- John
Jefferson Computer Museum <http://www.threedee.com/jcm>
5:25 a.m.
On Wed, 18 Mar 1998, Wirehead Prime wrote:
As for below, I quoted Sam's entire post because
the last time I had to
deal with him I found that he would twist what he had originally said and
...uh huh...
what I had said and that people picking up my post but
not his assumed
that I was the aggressor. Posting unnecessary bytes is the only way to
insure that everyone can see what's really happening ...not filtered
through someone else's bitterness and foul language.
The message was ALREADY POST PUBLICLY FOR ALL TO SEE you fucking genius!
If he starts a new group and it's run so much
better that it becomes more
popular and nobody comes here anymore then so be it. But to sit there
and say that this group should die because he, personally, doesn't like
some of the people here and to make statements insulting anyone who
doesn't agree with his point of view is just mean. There's no reason for
it and I think it reveals his TRUE motivations.
Then do something about it and keep your hormonally imbalanced emotional
outbursts to private e-mail.
P.S. From the ClassicCmp FAQ:
2.8 Can I type obscenities about Microsoft in ALL CAPS!?!
(Or, in general, be unreasonable with reagard to advocacy posts?)
Check your anti-MS baggage at the door, please. For that matter, drop
any posts that serve only to perpetuate the holy wars.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
This is not your crusade, Anthony.
Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com
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7:27 a.m.
New subject: Sam's Outburst was Re: Irreverence to irrelevance
At 08:25 AM 3/18/98 -0800, you wrote:
Since you posted the topic publicly, it should be answered publicly.
Especially since it concerns to operation and possibly existance of this
mailing list.
On Wed, 18 Mar 1998, Wirehead Prime wrote:
Hmmm, more of that "common courtesy and respect" that you said we should
all have?
As for below, I quoted Sam's entire post
because the last time I had to
deal with him I found that he would twist what he had originally said and
...uh huh...
what I had said and that people picking up my
post but not his assumed
that I was the aggressor. Posting unnecessary bytes is the only way to
insure that everyone can see what's really happening ...not filtered
through someone else's bitterness and foul language.
The message was ALREADY POST PUBLICLY FOR ALL TO SEE you fucking genius! If he starts a new group and it's run so much
better that it becomes more
popular and nobody comes here anymore then so be it. But to sit there
and say that this group should die because he, personally, doesn't like
some of the people here and to make statements insulting anyone who
doesn't agree with his point of view is just mean. There's no reason for
it and I think it reveals his TRUE motivations.
Then do something about it and keep your hormonally imbalanced emotional
outbursts to private e-mail.
P.S. From the ClassicCmp FAQ:
2.8 Can I type obscenities about Microsoft in ALL CAPS!?!
(Or, in general, be unreasonable with reagard to advocacy posts?)
Check your anti-MS baggage at the door, please. For that matter, drop
any posts that serve only to perpetuate the holy wars.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
This is not your crusade, Anthony.
You're the only one that seems to be on a crusade! A crusade to
destroy this mailing list! If you're so unhappy with it and the people on
it, why don't you unsubscribe and go start your own?
Joe
8:20 a.m.
New subject: Sam's Outburst was Re: Irreverence to irrelevance
On Wed, 18 Mar 1998, Joe wrote:
<a bunch of crap>
Joe, you are seriously off topic. For your edification, here's a section
from the FAQ to hopefully guide you in the right
direction:
1.1 What is ClassicCmp?
It's a mailing list for the discussion of classic computers. Topics center
on collection, restoration, and operation. It is also an appropriate place
for stories and reminiscences of classic computers. Lofty discussions
dealing with the philosophical and/or metaphysical aspects of computers are
often better handled in private e-mail.
Please stick to the topic at hand and send any gripes you may have to
private e-mail. You're making a mess of this place.
Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com
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8:25 a.m.
New subject: Sam's Outburst was Re: Irreverence to irrelevance
Sam Ismail wrote:
On Wed, 18 Mar 1998, Joe wrote:
<a bunch of crap>
Joe, you are seriously off topic. For your edification, here's a section
from the FAQ to hopefully guide you in the right direction:
1.1 What is ClassicCmp?
It's a mailing list for the discussion of classic computers. Topics center
on collection, restoration, and operation. It is also an appropriate place
for stories and reminiscences of classic computers. Lofty discussions
dealing with the philosophical and/or metaphysical aspects of computers are
often better handled in private e-mail.
Please stick to the topic at hand and send any gripes you may have to
private e-mail. You're making a mess of this place.
Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com
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Sorry SAM!!!!
At this point, it's YOU that is out of line.
Now if you will just DROP it, things will come to a halt.
Chuck
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11:29 a.m.
New subject: Sam's Outburst was Re: Irreverence to irrelevance
Sam,
Perhaps you have forgotten that YOU started this entire thread!
Joe
At 11:20 AM 3/18/98 -0800, you wrote:
On Wed, 18 Mar 1998, Joe wrote:
<a bunch of crap>
Joe, you are seriously off topic. For your edification, here's a section
from the FAQ to hopefully guide you in the right direction:
1.1 What is ClassicCmp?
It's a mailing list for the discussion of classic computers. Topics center
on collection, restoration, and operation. It is also an appropriate place
for stories and reminiscences of classic computers. Lofty discussions
dealing with the philosophical and/or metaphysical aspects of computers are
often better handled in private e-mail.
Please stick to the topic at hand and send any gripes you may have to
private e-mail. You're making a mess of this place.
Sam Alternate e-mail:
dastar(a)siconic.com
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7:44 a.m.
Thank you, Sam, for again proving your true intentions toward the group
and demonstrating exactly what I've been saying about you. You know,
it's kind of fortunate. I don't really have to fight you at all...given
enough rope, you seem incapable of not making a noose out of it and
putting it around your own neck.
I appreciate the assistance you give me in showing that you have nothing
but malice toward the list and those in it. If you want to go start your
own group, go ahead. I don't think you'll be greatly missed.
Anthony Clifton - Wirehead
On Wed, 18 Mar 1998, Sam Ismail wrote:
On Wed, 18 Mar 1998, Wirehead Prime wrote:
As for below, I quoted Sam's entire post
because the last time I had to
deal with him I found that he would twist what he had originally said and
...uh huh...
what I had said and that people picking up my
post but not his assumed
that I was the aggressor. Posting unnecessary bytes is the only way to
insure that everyone can see what's really happening ...not filtered
through someone else's bitterness and foul language.
The message was ALREADY POST PUBLICLY FOR ALL TO SEE you fucking genius!
If he starts a new group and it's run so much
better that it becomes more
popular and nobody comes here anymore then so be it. But to sit there
and say that this group should die because he, personally, doesn't like
some of the people here and to make statements insulting anyone who
doesn't agree with his point of view is just mean. There's no reason for
it and I think it reveals his TRUE motivations.
Then do something about it and keep your hormonally imbalanced emotional
outbursts to private e-mail.
P.S. From the ClassicCmp FAQ:
2.8 Can I type obscenities about Microsoft in ALL CAPS!?!
(Or, in general, be unreasonable with reagard to advocacy posts?)
Check your anti-MS baggage at the door, please. For that matter, drop
any posts that serve only to perpetuate the holy wars.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
This is not your crusade, Anthony.
Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com
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