At 04:16 PM 5/21/98 PDT, you wrote: I quote from "The Mac Bathroom Reader" by Owen W. Linzmayer (a non-technical history of the Mac): "In return, Apple was allowed two afternoon visits to the PARC labs. When Jobs first visited with Atkinson in November 1979, he saw with his own eyes what all the fuss was about. He was so excited that he returned in December..." Actually, Jobs would have known all about it earlier if he had paid any attention to Jef Raskin, who had been trying to get him to visit PARC much sooner. I dunno about Win98 vs. the Mac; I haven't seen either Win98 or MacOS 8, but yes, the way I see it, Apple stole from Xerox, Microsoft stole from Apple, Apple sued lots of people and won, Xerox Sued Apple and lost, etc. --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/