18 Feb
1998
18 Feb
'98
10:09 p.m.
From: "Jeff Kaneko" <Jeff.Kaneko(a)ifrsys.com>
Subject: RE: IEEE-488 and Commodore (was: GP-IB)
Pardon me if I ask a stupid question, but If they were
going to
implement a high-speed serial bus for the C64/VIC/1541's, why would
they use a device that was primarily designed for PARALLEL
operation?
For one thing Commodore OWNED MOS Technologies (one of Tramiels more
shrewder decisions after getting burned in the pocket calculator wars by
their then calculator chip supplier, Texas Instruments). So all of MOSs
chips were dirt cheap to Commodore. The 6520/6522 played multiple roles
in the PET/VIC/64 handling the keyboard, parallel port, etc. also the
PET's parallel user port was very popular among the experimenters and
having it on the VIC and 64 added to it's appeal (besides being cheap
and in COLOR with SOUND!)
It seems that a 6850/6851 ACIA would have been much
more appropriate,
and would have not been such a software mess.
If that were the case it would be as easy to interface as an ATARI...
yuk. I am glad, with those two CIAs you can hook just about anything to
the computer (easily given the parallel port). If it didn't it may have
fared worse than thier competition.
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From: Sam Ismail <dastar(a)wco.com>
Subject: RE: IEEE-488 and Commodore (was: GP-IB)
If computer holy war zealots knew the story behind this
Commodore debacle
back in the 80's when the flames were at their highest temperatures, the
anti-C64 contingent would have had a field day.
They did, ever hear the term "the lumbering hippo", that was a nickname
many gave the 1541 disk drive...
Oh well, you gotta love it.
PS. So the Commodore did suck after all ;)
You forget that the VIC and 64 had an advantage over the competition,
performance for a very low price. (albiet slower than necessary). Also
the 64 had other merits such as its graphics ability and incredible
sound... Every one rips the Commodores, but you have to remwmber who
was posting profits and who was going bankrupt in the 80s... the
nineties are a different matter I'm afraid.. :(
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From: Cord Coslor <archive(a)navix.net>
Subject: Weekend finds! (CPU's, Printers, Disk Drives, Software, etc.!!)
*Commodore 128D computer. Mint condition CPU. No
monitor, disk drives,
cables, etc. What does it take... also what type of keyboard does it
use?
Disk drive is built-in, uses either a composite or split-composite
(Svideo) for the 40 column mode and a TTL RGBI for the 80 column mode.
Can run in three modes, Commodore 64 Emulation (99.94% bug free...),
expanded '128' mode some 64 likeness but offers better BASIC and speed
as well as access to 80 column output, and last but not least, CP/M mode
runs latter CP/M versions and the built-in drive can read a variety of
forigen CP/M format disks...
The keyboard is a non-ascii encoded keyboard that is used on the
Commodore 128. The D version is the same but in a separate unit and a
coiled cable.
*Imagewriter // printer for Apple
Very fast, even
for today, can do multi-part and does COLOR! Good
utility printer, downside is that it uses a serial (RS-422) interface.
Still supported on Macs.
*Commodore MPS 802
Decent text output (8-pin) but
only 'one-character programmable
graphics'. (there were programs that would do hi-res dumps by
constantly redefining that character and reprinting it on the same line
till it was complete, a hi-res page would take HOURS!!!)
*Vic 1525 Graphic Printer
(note, 1525 uses THIN
paper not 9 1/2" form feed, a misunderstanding in
the design specs, they thought 8 1/2" wide WITH the carrier.)
yawn... either for printing speed or 7-pin graphics printing matrix - or
both... The 7-pin 1525 printhead design set back the printer industry
for a couple years with cheap parallel versions like the Shiekosha and
Gorilla Banana.
*KoalaPad. I think for the Commodore computer. Does
anyone have some
more info on this? Maybe some software?
Should work on the Commodore VIC-20/64/128
and Atari Computers. My
favorite Koalapad program is Dancing Bear for the VIC-20 (64 version
sucks) It's claim to fame though is Koala Paint which defined the
multi-color graphics file format standard for the 64.
*Commodore Model 1200 Model #1670
Very nice 1200
baud direct connect modem can be used on the VIC, 64,
128, and Plus/4 (though on the +4 you have to flip one switch or cut a
trace depending on the modem version) Uses Hayes type modem commands.
*MasterType cart for the C-64
I bought that
recently, a pretty cool typing aid!
*Below the Root (???) game copy on disk for the
Commodore 64.
IMHO one of THE BEST 64 games made, a graphics adventure with a solid
story that is non-violent, a wonderful game for the kids!!!! Based on
the Below the Root book triligy by Zylpha Keatly Snyder.
*Aztec game original box, manual, and game disk for the
Apple/Commodore.
Another quality Graphics Adventure, keep it for your library.
Follow in
the footsteps of the missing Professor Forrester looking for Aztec
treasures.
*Choplifter by Broderbund orginal game disk for the
Apple (?)
A computer-to-videogame classic on it's original platform.
* Vic-20 cartridges: Pin Ball, Omega Race, Jupiter
Lander, Gorf, Radar
Rat Race, Raid on Fort Knox, Avenger, Poker, Cosmic Cruncher, and Mole
Attack In 8 cartridge storace holder.
There are some great ones: Omega Race (THE BEST translation I've seen is
the VIC-20 one), Radar Rat Race (like arcade Rally-X, the 64 version is
just a lame port of this fine VIC version), Cosmic Cruncher (what can I
say it's a Pac-Man variant with the Commodore logo as the main
character! COOL!), Mole Attack (a fun one for the 'little kids' bonk
the moles on the head, uses keyboard) The rest are pretty good too...
Was it all worth my $150. :-)
VERY MUCH SO, take
the stuff you don't want to VCF 2.0 and you will make
your money back I'm sure... (even at reasonable prices)
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From: "kroma" <kroma(a)worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: C64 Modem issue
I have a C-64c and a Commodore brand 1200 modem. Since
I still haven't had
a chance to resolve the problem with my 1541 disk drive, I'd like to
explore using the modem a bit. Can it be done in BASIC? Meaning, can I
issue certain BASIC commands to init the modem and dial out? It's been a
while since I've messed with any Commie machine, and when I did, I couldn't
afford the "luxury" of a 1200 baud modem. This may be something simple, and
I'd appreciate any help, even a pointer to info on the internet.
The Modem 1200 uses a standard Hayes command set fortunately.
10 open 2,2,3,chr$(8)+chr$(0)
20 get a$:ifa$="" goto40
30 print#2,a$;
40 get#2,a$:print a$;:goto 20
I THINK that will give you enough to use the modem at 1200baud-8/n/1...
There was a program in an issue of BBS magazine that also supported
X-Modem downloading (in BASIC!), I'll try to find it.
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Subject: Re: GP-IB (was Re: Atari 8-bit Find)
At 12:09 AM 2/18/98 -0500, you wrote:
At 08:52 PM 2/17/98 -0600, you wrote:
And for only a few hundred bucks you can buy a NEW IEEE-488 interface
card for your IBM or compatible PC... It is used ALOT in
scientific/electronic measuring devices, as well as plotters (HP mostly,
no wonder...)
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18 Feb
10:18 p.m.
New subject: Commodore Ramblings (correction)
*Vic 1525 Graphic Printer
** (note, 1525 uses THIN paper not 9 1/2" form feed, a misunderstanding
in
** the design specs, they thought 8 1/2" wide WITH the carrier.)
Strike that comment, the 7 1/2" print width was the VIC 1515. It was
corrected with the 1525...
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11:47 p.m.
On Wed, 18 Feb 1998, Larry Anderson & Diane Hare wrote:
Well, I always knew the 1541 drive sucked egregiously, speed wise. I
mean, it was as bad as a cassette player...what was the point? Until fast
loaders came along. They made the 1541 as fast as any Apple drive with a
fast DOS. Then it was passable.
But what was very cool about the 1541, I later learned, was that it had
its own processor, and that you could upload a program into two drives,
hook them to each other and have them copy disks automatically...very
cool. Then when my friend gave me the program that played Daisy on the
1541 (by this time I had my own C64) I was dazzled. I wrote a similar
program for the Apple Disk ][ but the farts and grunts it made were hardly
comparable to the violin-like sqeaks that emanated from the 1541. Very
cool.
After I got over the computer-cock-war syndrome I did come to realize what
a cool machine the C64 was. I actually started to program on it and
started experimenting with the sound. It could make the wildest sounds.
I wanted to port the Apple ROM Monitor to the C64 so that I'd have a
decent Monitor with which to assemble machine code, but alas my C64 died
on the carpet in front of my TV (thus beginning the C64 curse I've fallen
victim to), I guess from static electricity. They just didn't make C64's
to last I'm afraid. Thus my C64 programming soire was cut short.
If computer
holy war zealots knew the story behind this Commodore debacle
back in the 80's when the flames were at their highest temperatures, the
anti-C64 contingent would have had a field day.
They did, ever hear the term "the lumbering hippo", that was a nickname
many gave the 1541 disk drive... Oh well, you
gotta love it.
PS. So the Commodore did suck after all ;)
You forget that the VIC and 64 had an advantage over the competition,
performance for a very low price. (albiet slower than necessary). Also
the 64 had other merits such as its graphics ability and incredible
sound... Every one rips the Commodores, but you have to remwmber who
was posting profits and who was going bankrupt in the 80s... the
nineties are a different matter I'm afraid.. :( (note, 1525 uses THIN paper not 9 1/2" form feed,
a misunderstanding in
the design specs, they thought 8 1/2" wide WITH the carrier.)
Ok, now that is just plain lame. Who the hell designs a printer and
forgets about the tractor feed bands?
;-P
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7:11 p.m.
But what was very cool about the 1541, I later
learned, was that it had
its own processor, and that you could upload a program into two drives,
hook them to each other and have them copy disks automatically...very
cool. Then when my friend gave me the program that played Daisy on the
1541 (by this time I had my own C64) I was dazzled. I wrote a similar
program for the Apple Disk ][ but the farts and grunts it made were hardly
comparable to the violin-like sqeaks that emanated from the 1541. Very
cool.
That did? Cool! But my friend who had C64 wrote a special program
so you could pass coded messages on disks back and forth between 2
guys. The gist is: when needs to look up the message, the program
first asks for password also instructs the drive ready to barf bad
data onto disk like as tripwire, if 3 incorrect tries on password.
POOF followed by rapid clunking of head ereasing the disk, it happens
so fast that it's too late to kill power to the diskdrive. :)
After I got over the computer-cock-war syndrome I did
come to realize what
a cool machine the C64 was. I actually started to program on it and
started experimenting with the sound. It could make the wildest sounds.
I wanted to port the Apple ROM Monitor to the C64 so that I'd have a
decent Monitor with which to assemble machine code, but alas my C64 died
on the carpet in front of my TV (thus beginning the C64 curse I've fallen
victim to), I guess from static electricity. They just didn't make C64's
to last I'm afraid. Thus my C64 programming soire was cut short.
This is why what make between this C64 and real machines apart by
relability and protection due to buffer chips, C64 didn't! That
speaks true by my last late spring experience, blew the I/O chip by
static on a P5 board, it's fixed now, ok now. 2 pentium
machines after getting new mobo so I do not have to deal with
crashing 486dx2 66. Short afterwards fixed the blown board Ouch!
repair tips:
But you can get that dead C64 repaired by replacing that CIA chips
and 8 pieces of 64k x 1 chips and heatsink all chips well. (just in
case).
Snip!
Jason D.
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Pero, Jason D.
19 Feb
19 Feb
12:07 a.m.
Well, I always knew the 1541 drive sucked egregiously,
speed wise. I
mean, it was as bad as a cassette player...what was the point? Until fast
Not even close. Trust me, I got my Vic 20 in 1981, and used it with a
cassette recorder until 1986. It took almost 5 minutes to load a 8k
program using the cassette! I'd have killed for a 1541 back then. I knew
people with the C64 and 1541, and boy was I envious at how fast they could
load stuff, and how much RAM they had to play with.
(note, 1525
uses THIN paper not 9 1/2" form feed, a misunderstanding in
the design specs, they thought 8 1/2" wide WITH the carrier.)
Ok, now that is just plain lame. Who the hell designs a printer and
forgets about the tractor feed bands? 
2:23 a.m.
;-) Clearing the snow from my glasses, I saw Zane H. Healy typed:
Sam Ismail sayeth this:
>Well, I always knew the 1541 drive sucked egregiously, speed wise. I
>mean, it was as bad as a cassette player...what was the point? Until fast
Not even close. Trust me, I got my Vic 20 in 1981, and
used it with a
cassette recorder until 1986. It took almost 5 minutes to load a 8k
program using the cassette! I'd have killed for a 1541 back then. I knew
people with the C64 and 1541, and boy was I envious at how fast they could
load stuff, and how much RAM they had to play with.
Uh, Zane?
Methinks Sam is comparing the 1541 to non-Commie tape based machines. A
buddy of mine had a full-bore C64 system - CPU, 2 drives, printer, games.
(Played a lot of Zork on that box! ;-) Meanwhile, I had my Tandy CoCo2 with
a $2.00 GE Computer Data portable cassette deck, and we had a race, Commie
disk vs. CoCo Tape. Same program size (just a buncha Basic DATA statements)
and the Commie won by a nose -- 3 or 4% faster than tape.
[[ of course, the CoCos had the ability to be overclocked with a POKE, so I
sped 'er up to a whopping 1.78MHz and issued the pokes to allow the
cassette port to work at that speed, and thoroughly trounced the C64 -- my
buddy never heard the end of it! ;-) ]]
Ever see the 'Plotter' they had? The paper was
a roll like is used in cash
registers, and it had 4 miniature ball point pens. Now that was a lame
printer.
Why is that lame? I have my Atari 1020 printer (dang-near same as the RS
CGP-115) which works very well, and believe it or not, the pens & carriage
are the same used in the printer attachment for the RS Pocket Computer 2 --
now that was kewl! That machine helped get me thru college. Rather
innovative to be able to cram a 4 color plotter into your pocket (granted,
a big pocket...)
Keep computing,
Roger "Merch" Merchberger
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7:54 a.m.
At 10:07 PM 2/18/98 -0800, you wrote:
Ever see the 'Plotter' they had? The paper was a roll like is used in cash
registers, and it had 4 miniature ball point pens. Now that was a lame
printer.
Is that the same plotter that Radio Shack sold? I think it was a
CGP-115? I added NiCad batterie sto one and interfaced it to my HP-41
using the HP-IL, pretty neat. I think I still have one around here somewhere.
Joe
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Hi Tony:
Being a Model Railroad nut, in addition to messing with computers. And
since the model railroad hobby quite often gets int 'gearing' problems,
take a look here. No guaranty http://www.nwsl.com/
Chuck
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19:48:23 1998
From: "cad at " at gamewood.net (Charles A. Davis)
Date: Sun Feb 27 18:32:07 2005
Subject: Commodore Ramblings
References: <m0y5d2C-000IyAC@p850ug1>
Message-ID: <199802200154.UAA01137(a)fox.gamewood.net>
Tony Duell wrote:
At 10:07 PM 2/18/98 -0800, you wrote:
The Commodore one was the 1520 AFIAK (I have the service manual
upstairs...), but the same mechanism (with different electronics) went
into the CGP115 from Tandy, the Oric printer, and probably a few others.
There was a narrower (2", maybe a little more) that went onto the Sharp
PC1500 calculator.
There's a design fault IMHO. The plastic pinion on the stepper motor
spindle is force-fitted, and it cracks and slips. _All_ the plotters I
have like this have suffered from this on at least one axis. Alas the
parts list for the mechanism doesn't list the pinion separately, only
with the motor. And I've not (yet) found a supplier of replacements.
Sometimes enlarging the central hole so that it's a sliding fit on the
spindle with the crack closed and using iso-cyano acrylic
hydro-copolymerising adhesive to fix it will work.
Ever see the 'Plotter' they had? The paper was a roll like is used in cash
registers, and it had 4 miniature ball point pens. Now that was a lame
printer.
Is that the same plotter that Radio Shack sold? I think it was a
CGP-115? I added NiCad batterie sto one and interfaced it to my HP-41
using the HP-IL, pretty neat. I think I still have one around here somewhere.
Joe
-tony
10:40 p.m.
At 08:57 PM 2/19/98 +0000, you wrote:
>
> At 10:07 PM 2/18/98 -0800, you wrote:
>
> >
> >Ever see the 'Plotter' they had? The paper was a roll like is used in
cash
> >registers, and it had 4 miniature ball point
pens. Now that was a lame
> >printer.
>
> Is that the same plotter that Radio Shack sold? I think it was a
> CGP-115? I added NiCad batterie sto one and interfaced it to my HP-41
> using the HP-IL, pretty neat. I think I still have one around here
somewhere.
The Commodore one was the 1520 AFIAK (I have the service manual
upstairs...), but the same mechanism (with different electronics) went
into the CGP115 from Tandy, the Oric printer, and probably a few others.
There was a narrower (2", maybe a little more) that went onto the Sharp
PC1500 calculator.
There's a design fault IMHO. The plastic pinion on the stepper motor
spindle is force-fitted, and it cracks and slips. _All_ the plotters I
have like this have suffered from this on at least one axis. Alas the
parts list for the mechanism doesn't list the pinion separately, only
with the motor. And I've not (yet) found a supplier of replacements.
Sometimes enlarging the central hole so that it's a sliding fit on the
spindle with the crack closed and using iso-cyano acrylic
hydro-copolymerising adhesive to fix it will work.
I had the same problem with one of mine. I took it to a Radio Shack
service center and tried to order one. They said they wouldn't sell me the
part unless their technicians checked the printer first. I asked if there
was a charge for that and they got cagey. I kept asking until they finally
admitted that there was a "minor" charge. I kept asking them exactly how
much their "minor charge" was and they finally admitted that there was a 1
hour minimum and their hourly rate was $54 per hour! Needless to say I
didn't buy the part. Several months later I meet a guy that owned a Radio
shack store and I was complaining to him about it. He told me to bring the
printer to his store. I did and he looked at it (at no charge) and ordered
the part for me at no charge. I think he said they only cost 39 cents. I
was happy with the service from the individually owned store but needless
to say I NEVER bought another thing from Radio Shack.
Joe
10:59 p.m.
New subject: Tandy Misgivings
;-) Clearing the snow from my glasses, I saw Joe typed:
[snip]
He told me to bring the
printer to his store. I did and he looked at it (at no charge) and ordered
the part for me at no charge. I think he said they only cost 39 cents. I
was happy with the service from the individually owned store but needless
to say I NEVER bought another thing from Radio Shack.
Would you happen to have the part number handy? With this information,
others might be able to order the part for their plotters, like my Atari 1020.
Thanks,
Roger "Merch" Merchberger
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11:19 p.m.
New subject: Tandy Misgivings
At 10:59 PM 2/19/98, you wrote:
Actually I got 3 or 4 gears and I still have the extras in the bag (with
PN?) somewhere. I'll try to find it. I haven't touched it in ten years
though.
Joe
>Thanks,
>Roger "Merch" Merchberger
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>Owner, MerchWare | nuclear warhead disarmament should
>zmerch(a)northernway.net | *not* be your first career choice.
;-) Clearing the snow from my glasses, I saw Joe
typed:
[snip]
1020.
He told me to bring the
printer to his store. I did and he looked at it (at no charge) and ordered
the part for me at no charge. I think he said they only cost 39 cents. I
was happy with the service from the individually owned store but needless
to say I NEVER bought another thing from Radio Shack.
Would you happen to have the part number handy? With this information,
others might be able to order the part for their plotters, like my Atari
20 Feb
20 Feb
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21 Feb
21 Feb
12:02 p.m.
New subject: Tandy CGP-115 was Re: Commodore Ramblings
FYI I've been looking for extra gears and their part number. I haven't
found them yet but I did find the the printer, power supply, cables and
extra pens that I bought.
The extra pens came from Electronics Goldmine or Goldmine Electronics,
I don't remember which and I can't find their catalog at the moment.
Anyway, the part number for them is G 7886.
I'll keep looking for the other info.
Joe
At 06:40 PM 2/20/98 +0000, you wrote:
I had the
same problem with one of mine. I took it to a Radio Shack
service center and tried to order one. They said they wouldn't sell me the
part unless their technicians checked the printer first. I asked if there
This is going to be a YMMV story, but at one time I had almost
exclsuively Tandy (Radio Shack) computers (Model 1 + EI + 1 drive, CoCo
2, Model 3, and I even had a CoCo3 shipped to me from the States) simply
because of the ease of getting parts and manuals for them.
AFAIK the service manual for any Tandy computer or peripheral was
available to anybody who would buy it. I certainly never had problems
ordering them either from the UK National Parts Centre (going through the
local Tandy store) or from National Parts in the States.
Ditto spare parts. I would just walk into the local Tandy store with the
manual, point to the part in the list, they'd note down the part number
and description and it would arrive in either a week (if it was in stock
in the UK) or a lot longer (:-() if it had to be ordered from the States.
Maybe I went to particularly helpful stores, but I never had to 'have it
checked' by a Tandy technician.
Getting back to the subject, I never ordered the CGP115 manual, alas. The
Commodore 1520 manual contains the mechanism exploded views (and a
schematic and not much else...) with part numbers, but as I said, the
gear in question wasn't listed as a separate part.
And since the CGP115 is now over 14 years old (I got mine when I was in
the equivalent of high school...), I doubt very much if Tandy still keep
parts for them.
Joe
-tony
19 Feb
19 Feb
4:30 p.m.
Ever see the 'Plotter' they had? The paper was a roll like is used in cash
registers, and it had 4 miniature ball point pens. Now that was a lame
printer.
7:16 p.m.
I have one still: it's the 1520 color plotter. It uses pen movement for the X
axis and paper movement for the Y axis to achieve a .2 mm resolution. Not bad.
Now if I could only find some pens...
Dan
Jeff Kaneko wrote:
Yeah, I had one of those. I thought it was pretty neat. Lousy for
program listings, but for little graphics things, it was actually
pretty cool.
jeff
Ever see the 'Plotter' they had? The paper was a roll like is used in cash
registers, and it had 4 miniature ball point pens. Now that was a lame
printer.
8:12 p.m.
I have one still: it's the 1520 color plotter. It
uses pen movement for the X
axis and paper movement for the Y axis to achieve a .2 mm resolution. Not
bad.
Now if I could only find some pens...
I've heard you can get them from Radio Shack, apparently the Radio Shack
plotter mentioned earlier in this thread uses the same pens.
Zane
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10:21 p.m.
At 07:16 PM 2/19/98 -0600, you wrote:
I have one still: it's the 1520 color plotter. It
uses pen movement for
the X
axis and paper movement for the Y axis to achieve a .2
mm resolution. Not
bad.
Now if I could only find some pens...
Goldmine Electronics was selling them surplus a few months ago. I
bought a bunch of them for my two printers.
Joe
9:36 p.m.
Do they have a web site? The only thing I could find is
http://www.asiansources.com/goldmin.co and it doesn't exist on the server.
Cheers,
Dan
Joe wrote:
At 07:16 PM 2/19/98 -0600, you wrote:
I have one still: it's the 1520 color plotter.
It uses pen movement for
the X
axis and paper movement for the Y axis to achieve
a .2 mm resolution. Not
bad.
Now if I could only find some pens...
Goldmine Electronics was selling them surplus a few months ago. I
bought a bunch of them for my two printers.
Joe
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