22 Nov
2013
22 Nov
'13
12:14 a.m.
Hi all --
I have a bit of spare time again over the next couple of weeks and I
would like to spend at least a little bit of that spare time getting
Maze War running on my Imlac emulator; this entails first getting the
Maze War "server" code running on a simulated PDP-10. (After this I
hopefully just need to get the Imlac emulator talking to the PDP-10
emulator over a simulated serial port...)
The Maze War server runs under ITS and I cannot for the life of me find
a copy of an ITS distribution; the KLH-10 page (and all the others I've
found) link to ftp://ftp.its.os.org/its/klh10/pi-its-a11110.tar which is
dead, and I don't see it archived elsewhere.
What's the done thing these days for getting ITS up and running?
Thanks as always,
Josh
22 Nov
22 Nov
1:29 a.m.
Josh Dersch wrote:
What's the done thing these days for getting ITS
up and running?
Probably the most complete collection of information on PDP-10 emulation:
http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/pdp10emu.html
These guys run ITS, including web servers:
http://up.update.uu.se/
http://sv.svensson.org/
3:31 a.m.
Josh Dersch <derschjo at gmail.com> writes:
the KLH-10 page (and all the others I've found)
link to
ftp://ftp.its.os.org/its/klh10/pi-its-a11110.tar which is dead, and I
don't see it archived elsewhere.
I had that file sitting around from when I'd played with ITS some ten
years ago, so I've uploaded it to archive.org:
https://archive.org/details/KLH10-PI-ITS
The instructions I actually wound up using to build an ITS system were
these ones, though:
http://www.cosmic.com/u/mirian/its/itsbuild.html
--
Adam Sampson <ats at offog.org> <http://offog.org/>
10:40 a.m.
On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 12:14:12AM -0800, Josh Dersch wrote:
What's the done thing these days for getting ITS up
and running?
I'm sure you can find a canned ready-to-go disk image somewhere ...
but the stuff I cobbled together back when I was getting ITS running
on a real KS10 + RM80 (~20 years ago) is here:
http://www.dbit.com/pub/pdp10/its/
There's enough there to make a bootable disk and then use that to slurp
in the rest of the OS from tape (i.e. .TAP files -- and there's a utility
to make the tapes / .TAP files from a bunch of loose files).
John Wilson
D Bit
1:10 p.m.
At ftp://ftp.ultimate.com/pdp10/its-install
is a shar file (Talk about history) which contains
an expect (tcl) script that I wrote to install ITS
from tape images under SIMH.
Phil
12:46 p.m.
From: Josh Dersch
Sent: Friday, November 22, 2013 12:14 AM
I have a bit of spare time again over the next couple
of weeks and I
would like to spend at least a little bit of that spare time getting
Maze War running on my Imlac emulator; this entails first getting the
Maze War "server" code running on a simulated PDP-10. (After this I
hopefully just need to get the Imlac emulator talking to the PDP-10
emulator over a simulated serial port...)
Oooh. Sounds like fun. Did Imlacs get connected to KS-10 ITS systems?
I thought they only talked to KA-10s, but that's more a matter of when
I became familiar with Imlacs (in the EMACS manual for TWENEX). The
cutover from KA to KS was c. 1982.
The Maze War server runs under ITS and I cannot for
the life of me
find a copy of an ITS distribution; the KLH-10 page (and all the
others I've found) link to
ftp://ftp.its.os.org/its/klh10/pi-its-a11110.tar which is dead, and I
don't see it archived elsewhere.
What's the done thing these days for getting ITS
up and running?
I built an ITS under SimH several years ago, using documentation from
Mirian Crzig Lennox, Alan Bawden, John Wilson, and Bj?rn Victor.
Bj?rn's is the site I would recommend most: http://victor.se/bjorn/its/
Documentation was drying up rapidly when I was doing this. The ITS-Hackers
mailing list is moribund, and lots of things were being removed to avoid
embarrassing old hackers from the AI Lab.
I'll have a look around, but I think I trusted the Web too much at the
time and didn't save local copies of the sites in question.
Rich
Rich Alderson
Vintage Computing Sr. Systems Engineer
Living Computer Museum
2245 1st Avenue S
Seattle, WA 98134
mailto:RichA at LivingComputerMuseum.org
http://www.LivingComputerMuseum.org/
4:26 p.m.
On 11/22/2013 12:46 PM, Rich Alderson wrote:
Cool, thanks for the tips (and many thanks to everyone else who chimed
in as well). I'll play around with it this weekend and see where I can
get. I also need to ramp up on actually *using* ITS, but that seems to
be covered pretty well by Bjorn's site.
- Josh
From: Josh Dersch
Sent: Friday, November 22, 2013 12:14 AM
I'm assuming KA-10, the source code I have (kindly provided by KLH
himself) is dated 1974-1975. I suppose I could just ask him :).
I have a bit of spare time again over the next
couple of weeks and I
would like to spend at least a little bit of that spare time getting
Maze War running on my Imlac emulator; this entails first getting the
Maze War "server" code running on a simulated PDP-10. (After this I
hopefully just need to get the Imlac emulator talking to the PDP-10
emulator over a simulated serial port...)
Oooh. Sounds like fun. Did Imlacs get
connected to KS-10 ITS systems?
I thought they only talked to KA-10s, but that's more a matter of when
I became familiar with Imlacs (in the EMACS manual for TWENEX). The
cutover from KA to KS was c. 1982. The Maze War server runs under ITS and I cannot
for the life of me
find a copy of an ITS distribution; the KLH-10 page (and all the
others I've found) link to
ftp://ftp.its.os.org/its/klh10/pi-its-a11110.tar which is dead, and I
don't see it archived elsewhere.
What's the done thing these days for getting ITS up and running?
I built an
ITS under SimH several years ago, using documentation from
Mirian Crzig Lennox, Alan Bawden, John Wilson, and Bj?rn Victor.
Bj?rn's is the site I would recommend most: http://victor.se/bjorn/its/
Documentation was drying up rapidly when I was doing this. The ITS-Hackers
mailing list is moribund, and lots of things were being removed to avoid
embarrassing old hackers from the AI Lab.
I'll have a look around, but I think I trusted the Web too much at the
time and didn't save local copies of the sites in question.
Rich
Rich Alderson
Vintage Computing Sr. Systems Engineer
Living Computer Museum
2245 1st Avenue S
Seattle, WA 98134
mailto:RichA at LivingComputerMuseum.org
http://www.LivingComputerMuseum.org/
23 Nov
23 Nov
8:58 a.m.
On 11/22/13 3:46 PM, Rich Alderson wrote:
From: Josh Dersch
Sent: Friday, November 22, 2013 12:14 AM
> I have a bit of spare time again over the next couple of weeks and I
> would like to spend at least a little bit of that spare time getting
> Maze War running on my Imlac emulator; this entails first getting the
> Maze War "server" code running on a simulated PDP-10. (After this I
> hopefully just need to get the Imlac emulator talking to the PDP-10
> emulator over a simulated serial port...)
I'd be interested in hearing
(directly) if you get am Imlac emulator
working. I've a long standing desire to run SUDS and I think it (or a
version of it) supports that terminal... At least at one point I thought
that was true.
-brad
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