On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, Sellam Ismail wrote: The FBI, NSA, CIA, and Bureau of Public Roads (CIA front) all bought copies of XenoCopy. And there were a LOT of copies purchased by "John Smith" type names at various other addresses in Langley, Virginia. But the NSA and FBI seemed to be content to only pay for one copy each -- NO respect for copyright law. When data conversion is outlawed, only outlaws will convert data. Although I am very slow in filling what few orders there are now, it IS still available, sorta. -- Fred Cisin cisin(a)xenosoft.com XenoSoft http://www.xenosoft.com PO Box 1236 (510) 558-9366 Berkeley, CA 94701-1236

On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, Ross Archer wrote: Oh yes, it is to be believed. These sorts of raids and confiscations were routine during the 80s and early 90s. Ever heard of "Operation Sundevil"? That was the last major nationwide "hacker"ocrackdown" in the 90s. I read "Hacker Crackdown" years ago and can't remember if it describes those particular raids. Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org

On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, Sean 'Captain Napalm' Conner wrote: I think this is also written about in _Hacker Crackdown_. Well, not so quietly. Erik Bloodaxe had to spend quite a bit of money on lawyers to get the case dropped. He fought it all the way. It was only reluctantly that it was dropped. It's all chronicled in the pages of 2600 magazine from issues of the same era (around 1990). It's amazing what abuses get overlooked in this country every day. Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org

At 07:08 PM 4/4/01 -0700, you wrote: </SNIP> It is true. a gal I know who used to live in Florida was busted for putting nude pictures of herself up on the internet, seems that a local law enforcement officer took it upon himself to subscribe to her site under an assumed name and download the "offensive" pictures of her. when they raided her house, they took her computers, calculators, digital camera, her kids computers, electronic toys, etc..... what a wonderful world we live in :(

I'd like to see them take my gear. It would hurt like hell, but I'd get a gas from seeing an FBI long van - loaded, pulling a loaded 16 foot U-Haul trailer out of here with axels groaning, digging grooves in the lawn from the sheer weight. Finally, to see em' work for a living! Some of you have massive collections of rack mount gear - or worse. That would be an interesting moving job. Raid and move. Not chat up a few friends, buy beer, on alternate weekends causually taking things apart and moving them..... The agency might have to make multiple trips in your cases. <Grin> One day when I was fourteen I came home from school to find the padlock cut on the main hatch of our home (we lived on a Gulfstar 44' sailboat for three years), and some paperwork. The warrant was for all gear I had. I was never contacted and everything was returned freight a few weeks later. They got: An Atari 1200xl MPP1000E modem - Neat. These were 300baud modems that could be software adjusted on the fly in increments of 1 baud. Helpful to communicate with other modems (standards and manufacturing were loose) and also allowed you to bump the baud to infinity if you wanted to. Practically, 450 was the max reliable baudrate for local calls. Atari 1050 disk drive with US Doubler Indus GT disk drive Atari 1010 tape drive (cassette) Brother EP22 thermal typewriter/serial printer All media; disks, tapes, handwritten notes, documentation, cables, power supplies, magazines, hardcopy... you name the media, they took it. That was my system in 1983 --- You've come a long way baby. I never did get the docs or mags back. Almost all the other media was returned with the hardware. Missing a few disks, but I had all the ones I thought were incriminating. They were unformatted disks. I wrote a program in ML that wrote/read from them. I kept the Basic program and the ML routines in my head and entered them manually when I wanted access. The data was RLE encripted without passwords etc. They kept my books and a few disks. I think they did this to educate themselves. When I was 17, I was got again. This time they got me good. Charges of interstate wire fraud among others. My way out was do what I had been doing for two more days. This time with an fbi tech weenie looking over my shoulder and asking questions. They did charge me, but held those charges from prosecution for a given period of time. If I'd gotten a ticket for a suspended license they would re-activate them. That time has long passed thank goodness. Your's truely, Jeff -- ----------------------------------------------------------- Jeffrey S. Worley President Complete Computer Services, Inc. 30 Greenwood Rd. Asheville, NC 28803 828-277-5959 Visit our website at HTTP://www.Real-Techs.com THETechnoid(a)home.com -----------------------------------------------------------

In my less ethical and more introspective moments I'd always wondered how I could make a disk good and unreadable by anyone but myself. I played around with unusual angular velocities and sub-normal GCR checksums on the 64 and came up with a double key: both on the drive and the system. A device like Teledisk, even if it could read GCR, probably wouldn't work for duplicating such formats. The problem is that using something like angular velcotiy would be keyed to a particular drive's characteristics and that would be the first thing they'd confiscate. -- ----------------------------- personal page: http://www.armory.com/~spectre/ -- Cameron Kaiser, Point Loma Nazarene University * ckaiser(a)stockholm.ptloma.edu -- Emulate your heroes, but not if they're dead. ------------------------------

Roger, I got ahold of **seven** HP 64000s a couple of years ago but I found that they were useless (no pods, etc) and I couldn't even give them away so I stripped them for parts and tossed the rest(1). However I keep finding bits and pieces for them including accessories, manuals and software. Therefore I've been keeping an open box around that I throw the stuff in and when it fills up I pack it up and ship it to Frank McConnell since he's the only one around that seems to be interested in the stuff. I picked up a 64110 or 64110 last year and it's around here somewhere waiting for me to do something with it. I think it has a 68000 pod attached to it. Also I found a guy nearby that has a pile of docs and software for the 64xx0s. He doesn't want to get rid of it but if you're looking for something specific I can try to look it up or copy the appropriate info. (1) Of course the week after I tossed the 64000s. I found that the CRTs were the same as the one that I needed to fix my HP 9835 with! :-( Joe At 04:10 PM 4/5/01 -0400, Roger wrote: appreciated.