Heh, PDP-11's are *light*... the last computer I had shipped to me, which was only the CPU, disk controller, and hard drive, along with a terminal, a graphics interface box, 2 terminal controllers and a rack of manuals weighed in at 5700 pounds... The trick with shipping big stuff is to get it from big companies, and then instead of choosing the shipper yourself, you ask them who they use most, and have them coordinate it in-house... It's truly disgusting how much of a break the big shippers get versus a single-time shipment from somewhere... As an example, the 5700lbs of stuff cost me $801.80 to ship, whereas my Burroughs B80, which they said weighs 800lbs (yeah right!), they rated it as if it weighed 1000lbs, and for that single machine it cost $817.07 or so... The rate on the 5700lbs was like 31 bucks a mile and the other one was 81 a mile, but since the 5700lbs was shipped by a major user of the carrier, I got like a $1500 "Incentive" i.e. discount... Talk about highway robbery! Will J ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com