12 Feb
2014
12 Feb
'14
5:14 a.m.
Hi, guys.? I have some very old programs that require Win 95 to run, and I've been
trying to use Virtual Box to do that.? I installed Virtual Box on my new Windows 8.1
computer, but when I tried to install Win 95 it refused to recognize my perfectly good Win
95 installation disk (with a valid licensing code) as a real O.S..? Then it turned out
that the new computer has a hardware problem, and I've lost access to it for at least
a week while it's in the shop being repaired (no, the hardware problem was not at
fault; the Win 8.1 computer was just having trouble charging, but it was fully charged
when I was trying to install Win 95).
So now I'm back to my old Windows 7 laptop.? I downloaded the latest version of
Virtual Box, which says it's for both 32-bit and 64-bit versions of Windows, but when
I tried to install itWindows said it wasn't a valid 32-bit program.? Does anyone know
which version I need?? And does anyone know how to make it recognize my old Win 95
installation disk as a valid OS?
Thanks for recommending this program; I found out about it here.? And thanks in advance
for your help with this problem.
Margret
13 Feb
13 Feb
7:46 a.m.
On 12 February 2014 10:14, Margret Rosenberg
<margret.rosenberg at yahoo.com> wrote:
Hi, guys. I have some very old programs that require
Win 95 to run, and I've been trying to use Virtual Box to do that. I installed
Virtual Box on my new Windows 8.1 computer, but when I tried to install Win 95 it refused
to recognize my perfectly good Win 95 installation disk (with a valid licensing code) as a
real O.S..
Note that Win95 predates the era of bootable CDs on PCs. The CD is not
bootable. It's just a disk of files. You'll need a bootable floppy
disk image to start the VM from.
So now I'm back to my old Windows 7 laptop. I
downloaded the latest version of Virtual Box, which says it's for both 32-bit and
64-bit versions of Windows, but when I tried to install itWindows said it wasn't a
valid 32-bit program. Does anyone know which version I need?
AFAICS there is a single binary for both versions of Windows. Might
you have had a bad download? It's pretty big.
And does anyone know how to make it recognize my old
Win 95 installation disk as a valid OS?
Boot from a floppy image.
http://www.bootdisk.com/ is a good source if you don't have any (but
has some intrusive advertising, sadly).
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9:07 a.m.
On 13 February 2014 13:46, Liam Proven <lproven at gmail.com> wrote:
On 12 February 2014 10:14, Margret Rosenberg
<margret.rosenberg at yahoo.com> wrote:
Indeed. And if the Windows CD contains a boot floppy image (as many
do), you can point most VM's directly to that image and they will boot
Hi, guys. I have some very old programs that
require Win 95 to run, and I've been trying to use Virtual Box to do that. I
installed Virtual Box on my new Windows 8.1 computer, but when I tried to install Win 95
it refused to recognize my perfectly good Win 95 installation disk (with a valid licensing
code) as a real O.S..
Note that Win95 predates the era of bootable CDs on PCs. The CD is not
bootable. It's just a disk of files. You'll need a bootable floppy
disk image to start the VM from. from it.
1:32 p.m.
On 13 February 2014 14:07, Joost van de Griek <gyorpb at gmail.com> wrote:
Indeed. And if the Windows CD contains a boot floppy
image (as many
do), you can point most VM's directly to that image and they will boot
from it.
That I must admit I did not know, but it figures, since Win9x has an
option to format a bootable diskette... so there being a ready-rolled
image in there somewhere would make sense.
I am not sure I am ever going to get to /use/ this knowledge, but
thanks for teaching me something interesting! :?)
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2:15 p.m.
On Feb 13, 2014, at 1:32 PM, Liam Proven <lproven at gmail.com> wrote:
On 13 February 2014 14:07, Joost van de Griek
<gyorpb at gmail.com> wrote:
I think what Joost was talking about was the usual method of making a
bootable CD on PCs, which involves embedding a bootable floppy image
in the first part of the CD (the "El Torito" spec). That wasn't quite
standard when Win95 was released (I think it existed, but no one was
really using it yet), but it was somewhat common in 1998.
In theory, El Torito allows for more methods than just embedding a
boot floppy image, but I can't recall having ever seen anything else
done (I haven't looked very closely in a long time, though).
As far as I know, the Win9x "make a boot floppy" is essentially just
a "format /s".
- Dave
Indeed. And if the Windows CD contains a boot
floppy image (as many
do), you can point most VM's directly to that image and they will boot
from it.
That I must admit I did not know, but it figures, since Win9x has an
option to format a bootable diskette... so there being a ready-rolled
image in there somewhere would make sense.
I am not sure I am ever going to get to /use/ this knowledge, but
thanks for teaching me something interesting! :?)
14 Feb
14 Feb
4:53 p.m.
On 13 February 2014 19:15, David Riley <fraveydank at gmail.com> wrote:
As far as I know, the Win9x "make a boot
floppy" is essentially just
a "format /s".
No, it isn't.
A Win9x boot floppy contains a menu-driven CONFIG.SYS and AUTOEXEC.BAT
files, allowing loading with CD drivers, creates a RAM disk and
unpacks a CAB file full of useful commands for emergency system
recovery to that RAM disk and more.
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5:18 p.m.
On Feb 14, 2014, at 4:53 PM, Liam Proven <lproven at gmail.com> wrote:
On 13 February 2014 19:15, David Riley <fraveydank
at gmail.com> wrote:
Odd. I can't remember ever having seen that. Perhaps we're talking
about different things? I meant what you get when you tell Windows
to initialize a floppy and make it bootable. I have no idea how to
make what you're talking about, though it sounds quite useful.
That's neither here nor there, though; I'm about as fond of this
discussion on this list as a lot of others seem to be (there are so
many fora for discussing Windows, vintage or otherwise, that it
seems redundant to have a long, involved discussion of it here).
- Dave
As far as I know, the Win9x "make a boot
floppy" is essentially just
a "format /s".
No, it isn't.
A Win9x boot floppy contains a menu-driven CONFIG.SYS and AUTOEXEC.BAT
files, allowing loading with CD drivers, creates a RAM disk and
unpacks a CAB file full of useful commands for emergency system
recovery to that RAM disk and more.
7:06 p.m.
On 14 February 2014 22:18, David Riley <fraveydank at gmail.com> wrote:
Odd. I can't remember ever having seen that.
Perhaps we're talking
about different things? I meant what you get when you tell Windows
to initialize a floppy and make it bootable. I have no idea how to
make what you're talking about, though it sounds quite useful.
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/296532
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16 Feb
16 Feb
1:44 p.m.
On 02/14/2014 07:06 PM, Liam Proven wrote:
On 14 February 2014 22:18, David Riley <fraveydank
at gmail.com> wrote:
I won't be able to check until tomorrow, but i may have an image
home of a Win98 & Win95 start disk. And some other custom ones as well...
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Odd. I can't remember ever having seen that.
Perhaps we're talking
about different things? I meant what you get when you tell Windows
to initialize a floppy and make it bootable. I have no idea how to
make what you're talking about, though it sounds quite useful.
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/296532
7:56 p.m.
On 16 February 2014 18:44, Dave Woyciesjes <woyciesjes at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
I won't be able to check until tomorrow, but i
may have an image home of
a Win98 & Win95 start disk. And some other custom ones as well...
Like I said:
http://www.bootdisk.com/
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13 Feb
13 Feb
5:41 p.m.
I dunno--I like Virtual Box, particularly on Linux. Heck, I've even set
up Win CE to run on one. It worked just fine.
--Chuck
14 Feb
14 Feb
11:53 a.m.
msdn?
On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 9:36 PM, Chuck Guzis <cclist at sydex.com> wrote:
On 02/13/2014 06:38 PM, Adrian Stoness wrote:
wrong i have a oem copy of windows 95 that boots
of cd
So do I--and so do many of those who were members of MSDN at the time.
What's your point? I was talking about running Win CE on VBox.
--Chuck
12:45 p.m.
On 02/14/2014 08:53 AM, Adrian Stoness wrote:
msdn?
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/default.aspx
--Chuck
11:11 a.m.
On 2/13/14 8:38 PM, Adrian Stoness wrote:
wrong i have a oem copy of windows 95 that boots of cd
...and I have a 29-disk set of Windows 98 install floppies somewhere.
:)
I don't know whether I ever saw a retail W95 CD that was bootable. I
do believe Adrian's correct, that some later OEM versions would boot
from CD.
It's also worth remembering that a lot of PC BIOSs in that time frame
did not support booting from CD.
I also remember that the NT 3.51 and 4 install CDs at the time had a
tool for making a set of install boot floppies. I don't *think* that
Windows 95 did - I remember doing a lot of hoop-jumping to make a
working install floppy.
Ah, yeah, something like this:
http://novaonline.nvcc.edu/eli/ist216mb/summer/installing_windows_95.htm
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