23 Feb
2008
23 Feb
'08
1 p.m.
I remember the discussion about bringing classic computers across the
border from Canada to the USA, but, has anyone got any experiences going
the other way? Any issues since many of these systems are USA country of
origin? Especially with big iron, where you'd have a trailer or big truck...
Devon
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Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 08:06:08 -0700
From: Richard <legalize at xmission.com>
Subject: Fwd: [alt.sys.pdp11] Ebay: pdp 11/34 + lots of stuff
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Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 07:38:28 +0100 (CET)
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From: Jeff Davis <jdaviscl2 at soupwizard.com>
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Subject: Ebay: pdp 11/34 + lots of stuff
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Just fyi, it's not my auction, but there's a pdp-11/34 in two racks, a tape
drive and large hard drives on ebay. Two days left, I figure somebody with
a big truck wants to save it.
I normally wouldn't post about an ebay auction, but this one doesn't
mention pdp-11 in the auction title and seems to have been overlooked.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=120223434668
jdavis
23 Feb
23 Feb
1:11 p.m.
I've done this quite often.
the best way is to have it shipped to a US depot (drop point) and pick it up then drive it
over yourself.
the other way is quite a bit of hassle sometimes, unless you have a good broker.
maybe someone has better experience with that part than me, but I always drop ship, and
pick it up US side.
Canada customs is a pain in the you know what. :)
Dan.
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Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 13:00:22 -0500
To: cctalk at classiccmp.org
From: devonstopps at gmail.com
Subject: Border US to CA (Was:Ebay: pdp 11/34 + lots of stuff)
I remember the discussion about bringing classic computers across the
border from Canada to the USA, but, has anyone got any experiences going
the other way? Any issues since many of these systems are USA country of
origin? Especially with big iron, where you'd have a trailer or big truck...
Devon
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Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 08:06:08 -0700
From: Richard
Subject: Fwd: [alt.sys.pdp11] Ebay: pdp 11/34 + lots of stuff
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Subject: Ebay: pdp 11/34 + lots of stuff
Id:
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Just fyi, it's not my auction, but there's a pdp-11/34 in two racks, a tape
drive and large hard drives on ebay. Two days left, I figure somebody with
a big truck wants to save it.
I normally wouldn't post about an ebay auction, but this one doesn't
mention pdp-11 in the auction title and seems to have been overlooked.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=120223434668
jdavis
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5:31 p.m.
You have to go to a broker and get bonded. It's a big hassle. I
brought some DG equipment across about 2 years ago. You also have to
cross at the truck bridges.
Rob
On Feb 23, 2008, at 1:00 PM, Devon Stopps wrote:
I remember the discussion about bringing classic
computers across
the border from Canada to the USA, but, has anyone got any
experiences going the other way? Any issues since many of these
systems are USA country of origin? Especially with big iron, where
you'd have a trailer or big truck...
Devon
7:16 p.m.
On Saturday 23 February 2008 17:31, Robert Borsuk wrote:
You have to go to a broker and get bonded. It's a
big hassle. I
brought some DG equipment across about 2 years ago. You also have to
cross at the truck bridges.
I'd suggest that you talk to Dan Cohoe.
He's made several trips bringing things both ways across the border, and
said that he usually gets through without any questions. Generally,
once the customs agents see how old the things are, they realize how
worthless they are now. ;)
I guess it'd probably be different if you were driving a semi, though.
Pat
On Feb 23, 2008, at 1:00 PM, Devon Stopps wrote:
> I remember the discussion about bringing classic computers across
> the border from Canada to the USA, but, has anyone got any
> experiences going the other way? Any issues since many of these
> systems are USA country of origin? Especially with big iron, where
> you'd have a trailer or big truck...
>
> Devon
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7:32 p.m.
I was using my landrover and a trailer. I live about 20 minutes from
Canada so we cross the border more then most people in the states
(casinos are on the opposite side). Hauling large equipment is taken
pretty seriously by the customs / border guys. At one point coming
back they escorted my family and I out of the vehicle right at the
customs both (this was when I was hauling the DG equipment back).
They brought us inside while they took the rover and equipment over to
do an inspection on it.
You can do it, I just don't know how much it's worth the trouble. I
don't think I would do it again unless the equipment was pretty rare
or pretty expensive.
Rob
On Feb 23, 2008, at 7:16 PM, Patrick Finnegan wrote:
On Saturday 23 February 2008 17:31, Robert Borsuk
wrote:
You have to go to a broker and get bonded.
It's a big hassle. I
brought some DG equipment across about 2 years ago. You also have to
cross at the truck bridges.
I'd suggest that you talk to Dan Cohoe.
He's made several trips bringing things both ways across the border,
and
said that he usually gets through without any questions. Generally,
once the customs agents see how old the things are, they realize how
worthless they are now. ;)
I guess it'd probably be different if you were driving a semi, though.
Pat 
24 Feb
24 Feb
7:52 a.m.
Devon Stopps wrote:
I remember the discussion about bringing classic
computers across the
border from Canada to the USA, but, has anyone got any experiences
going the other way? Any issues since many of these systems are USA
country of origin? Especially with big iron, where you'd have a
trailer or big truck...
Jerome Fine replies:
The only time I remember going from USA to Canada was with
a BA123 and about 5 VT100 terminals. This was about 10 years
ago and everything was caked with dirt. I had a bill of sale
for $10 - which in this case had been the absolute truth since
the company needed a record of sale showing that the hardware
had been sold.
All the hardware was in the back seat and the trunk of a full
size car.
Since all the hardware at that point was already about 15 years
old, Canada Customs (at Detroit / Windsor) just allowed it
trough with no duty. They seemed more concerned about getting
their hands dirty than anything else.
By the way, I can't remember the Canada to USA deal. What
are the criteria? I might want to bring some stuff to a
meeting in Ohio this summer - probably 3 or 4 BA23 boxes
with working systems. The stuff would be about 20 years
old at this point. I am in Toronto and no one seems to
want to pick the stuff up - and a BA23 is too heavy to
ship.
Sincerely yours,
Jerome Fine
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On Sun, Feb 24, 2008 at 07:52:30AM -0500, Jerome H. Fine wrote:
By the way, I can't remember the Canada to USA
deal. What
are the criteria? I might want to bring some stuff to a
meeting in Ohio this summer - probably 3 or 4 BA23 boxes
with working systems. The stuff would be about 20 years
old at this point. I am in Toronto and no one seems to
want to pick the stuff up - and a BA23 is too heavy to
ship.
I brought back a PDP-8 from Canada a few years back with no
hassle. Fortunately, it had "Manyard, Massachusetts" in
a prominent location on the face. We crossed in upstate
New York, if it matters (not Detroit or Niagra). It was
also only one box; probably not enough to get them to raise
an eyebrow.
In the end, it's U.S. equipment coming back to the U.S.,
so there should be no duty, old or not. Documentation,
of course, is the key, should there be a question about
the gear.
Sorry I won't be in Ohio when you are coming through.
If you'll be down 12 months from now, that's a different
story.
-ethan
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25 Feb
25 Feb
10:17 a.m.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Devon Stopps" <devonstopps at gmail.com>
To: <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 12:00 PM
Subject: Border US to CA (Was:Ebay: pdp 11/34 + lots of stuff)
I remember the discussion about bringing classic
computers across the
border from Canada to the USA, but, has anyone got any experiences going
the other way? Any issues since many of these systems are USA country of
origin? Especially with big iron, where you'd have a trailer or big
truck...
US and Mexican equipment fits under NAFTA and is duty free. You will pay
provincial and federal tax on the value of the equipment, so get a written
bill of sale (or a clear statement that you obtained the equipment for
free). If the goods are obtained for a non-commercial purpose, and you are
in the US over 48 hours, you qualify for tax-free allotments that grow as
you're gone for longer periods. You can check out the website for Canada
Customs and Revenue Agency for the fine print.
Jim
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