4 Sep
2003
4 Sep
'03
7:02 a.m.
I agree that the list runs fairly well without a
"list nazi" stomping
around policing everyone's posts. I'm on several Mac lists on LEM. I
posted a question on a list and was slapped down by the list police. It
concerned a Daystar Genesis with a G4 upgrade card running OS-X. It
seems that it wasn't welcome on the Powermac list becase Apple didn't
make it. It wasn't welcome on OldMacMP list because it wasn't running
it's original MP processor card and it wasn't welcome on the G-List
becasue it wasn't a factory G-4. The only place it was considered on
topic was on the Unsupported-X list.
The LEM lists, while can be helpful, are VERY VERY bad examples of a
"nice" list. They are however great examples of how to run a list who's
goal is to piss off every subscriber inside of 6 months.
The nazis they have as list nannies are unreal, and the list mom may be
the worst of the bunch. I think even Sellam would find their level of
topic policing to be too much ;-)
-chris
<http://www.mythtech.net>
4 Sep
4 Sep
8:29 a.m.
On Thu, 4 Sep 2003, chris wrote:
The nazis they have as list nannies are unreal, and
the list mom may be
the worst of the bunch. I think even Sellam would find their level of
topic policing to be too much ;-)
Somewhat. I e-mailed the list "mom" to ask if it would be OK to post a
message about the Vintage Computer Marketplace and never got a response
after a few days, so I went ahead anyway. One person flamed me and said
the message would be removed from the archive, one person politely scolded
me, and another person sent me a note saying it sounded interesting and
that they would be checking it out.
It wasn't unexpected, but whatever.
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8:53 a.m.
New subject: ADMIN Re: YADA10YR
The reason Sellam never got a response to his query was because I still have
not caught up on all my emails from being out a few days (funeral). I am
slowly catching up on them as I get "spare time", they are all saved in queue
and I'll get to them when I can. Ya know I'm also trying to build a new
classiccmp server (well, the drive in a temp machine)... geeze.
My feeling about Sellam posting some items from the VCM list is that it is ok,
unless a bunch of people complain. Most times I just go with what the obvious
majority wants.
With regards to the YADA10YR... I didn't know it was a discussion. The policy
is "not manufactured for 10 years". However, I reserve the right to bend that
occasionally when moderating posts, depending on the circumstances. It's
handled on a case by case basis. I have no problems with someone asking about
BIOS access on an old PC. Especially if it hits the 10 year no longer
manufactured rule. Yes, "coolness factor" counts. But I will nix threads about
general windows issues. This rule is not meant to restrict posting, it's meant
to keep things on-topic. And yes, it is subjective, and I will use good common
sense when pulling that rule off the shelf. If you don't think I'm capable of
making that call... get some bandwidth, go install mailman..... If that makes
me a list-nazi so be it.
Jay West
----- Original Message -----
From: Vintage Computer Festival
To: Classic Computer
Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 3:12 PM
Subject: Re: YADA10YR (Yet Another Discussion About the 10 Year Rule)
On Thu, 4 Sep 2003, chris wrote:
The nazis they have as list nannies are unreal, and
the list mom may be
the worst of the bunch. I think even Sellam would find their level of
topic policing to be too much ;-)
Somewhat. I e-mailed the list "mom" to ask if it would be OK to post a
message about the Vintage Computer Marketplace and never got a response
after a few days, so I went ahead anyway. One person flamed me and said
the message would be removed from the archive, one person politely scolded
me, and another person sent me a note saying it sounded interesting and
that they would be checking it out.
It wasn't unexpected, but whatever.
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Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer
Festival
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9:07 a.m.
New subject: YADA10YR
Jay, I'm sure no one thinks you are a "list nazi". You have filled your
role as list owner and moderator with common sense, tolerance and good
humor. As far as I'm concerned, it's your list, you make the rules. As
you said, if someone doesn't like, they can go start another list. I'm
just happy to be here.
James
Jay West wrote:
With regards to the YADA10YR... I didn't know it
was a discussion. The policy
is "not manufactured for 10 years". However, I reserve the right to bend that
occasionally when moderating posts, depending on the circumstances. It's
handled on a case by case basis. I have no problems with someone asking about
BIOS access on an old PC. Especially if it hits the 10 year no longer
manufactured rule. Yes, "coolness factor" counts. But I will nix threads about
general windows issues. This rule is not meant to restrict posting, it's meant
to keep things on-topic. And yes, it is subjective, and I will use good common
sense when pulling that rule off the shelf. If you don't think I'm capable of
making that call... get some bandwidth, go install mailman..... If that makes
me a list-nazi so be it.
9:20 a.m.
New subject: YADA10YR
Actually, I do believe Sellam was talking about sending a message to
the list mom for LowEndMac, not you Jay.
James Rice wrote:
Jay, I'm sure no one thinks you are a "list nazi". You have filled your
role as list owner and moderator with common sense, tolerance and good
humor. As far as I'm concerned, it's your list, you make the rules. As
you said, if someone doesn't like, they can go start another list. I'm
just happy to be here.
James
Jay West wrote:
>With regards to the YADA10YR... I didn't know it was a discussion. The policy
>is "not manufactured for 10 years". ..... If that makes
>me a list-nazi so be it.
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9:49 a.m.
New subject: ADMIN Re: YADA10YR
On Thu, 4 Sep 2003, Jay West wrote:
The reason Sellam never got a response to his query
was because I still have
not caught up on all my emails from being out a few days (funeral). I am
IIRC, he was grousing about the moderation and management of ANOTHER list.
I have yet to hear any valid complaints about what you do.
Your common sense approach has worked well for us.
--
Grumpy Ol' Fred cisin(a)xenosoft.com
10:18 a.m.
New subject: ADMIN Re: YADA10YR
Fred wrote...
IIRC, he was grousing about the moderation and
management of ANOTHER list.
Well... offlist... Sellam HAD sent me an email a week or two ago, asking
about posting a list of items for sale on the VCM forum, at least a few
times, till things get started. Since his post started with mention of that,
I ASSumed he was referring to that. If he had done the same thing on a
different list, and was referring to that incident, then it was an honest
(but understandable) mistake on my part. Honestly, if I was really dead set
against his posting the VCM list a few times to the classiccmp list, I would
have replied to it immediately. I wasn't terribly opposed to it, wanted a
bit of time to think about it, and then of course it fell to the bottom of
my task list. Surely collectively all the brainpower here can come up with a
way to keep all our jobs from interferring with our hobbies :)
I was watching YADA10YR turn into a long debate, and I just wanted to
attempt to nip it in the bud, as it looked like something that could go on
for a good while. All hail the "signal to noise ratio" :)
Jay West
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