I have a bunch of HP machines, which are still in heavy use (although upgraded to Celerons with the PowerLeap iP3/T thingys). Vectra VL6/S8's and VLi8s. I'm very fond of them - solidly built, well engineered, quite reliable, etc. The VL5/S4-5 and VL6/S6-7, etc are also OK (very similar, same build quality), but I prefer the /S8's as they have the 100MHz memory bus. Noel