23 Feb
2007
23 Feb
'07
10:47 a.m.
Hextar wrote:
Indeed...and I was criticized for posting a OT
thread on this list before and here comes a OT
thread that is openly discussed...what gives??? Why was
I flamed while this guy is not? I just don't get it...:(
If you post a thread that is immediately perceived
by everybody as another chapter of Mac.vs PC
flame-bait, and you get flamed, are you surprised?
I'm not innocent myself, but most who post flame-bait
have enough experience to know that they're posting
flame-bait.
Speaking as "this guy", I feel that data preservation
(cross-platform) for long periods of time is an interest
shared by many/most on this list, as is storage
(especially storage media and hardware) longevity.
I mean, keeping 40-year-old or older peripherals
up and going is a fine goal. But when it's done to
move the data to more modern media, especially
when it's of interest to classiccmp members, that's
even better.
In fact I strongly believe that storage and
peripherals are far more interesting than CPU's.
I am strongly influenced by the fact that my day
job is working with a $10billion peripheral.
There are a few co-believers with me but
we're not all that vocal or large in numbers.
It is true that most of the industry papers are
very little concerned with history back more than
5 years, and I found it useful to read what
others on this list wrote on the subject.
Tim.
23 Feb
23 Feb
11:02 a.m.
On 2/23/07, Tim Shoppa <tshoppa at wmata.com> wrote:
Hextar wrote:
Ok, ok sorry...I've learned several things from this:
1) Long time users can get away with some OT threads while newcomers like me
cannot
2) This thread is about the preservation of data for long periods of time
which can if you think about it be related to the preservation of vintage
data thus making this thread on topic
3) When many members on this list find a OT thread to contain useful and not
widely available information it is accepted even though it's OT
correct?
As for long time preservation, I too am interested in that as I have a
pretty big size collection of vintage software and just valuable software in
general that I'm constantly looking for long backup solutions for which
currently consist of backing up on one-two HD's depending on the size of the
file(s) and cd-r's which seems to me like the best current solution since
HD's don't last that long unfortunately...but even cd-rs don't last
forever...is there currently or will there ever be a good long time
permanent solution for good promising backups? Is my current backup solution
good or is there more I should be doing to ensure the longativity of my
software archive?
Indeed...and I was criticized for posting a OT
thread on this list before and here comes a OT
thread that is openly discussed...what gives??? Why was
I flamed while this guy is not? I just don't get it...:(
If you post a thread that is immediately perceived
by everybody as another chapter of Mac.vs PC
flame-bait, and you get flamed, are you surprised?
I'm not innocent myself, but most who post flame-bait
have enough experience to know that they're posting
flame-bait.
Speaking as "this guy", I feel that data preservation
(cross-platform) for long periods of time is an interest
shared by many/most on this list, as is storage
(especially storage media and hardware) longevity.
I mean, keeping 40-year-old or older peripherals
up and going is a fine goal. But when it's done to
move the data to more modern media, especially
when it's of interest to classiccmp members, that's
even better.
In fact I strongly believe that storage and
peripherals are far more interesting than CPU's.
I am strongly influenced by the fact that my day
job is working with a $10billion peripheral.
There are a few co-believers with me but
we're not all that vocal or large in numbers.
It is true that most of the industry papers are
very little concerned with history back more than
5 years, and I found it useful to read what
others on this list wrote on the subject.
Tim.
11:39 a.m.
Hexxie wrote....
1) Long time users can get away with some OT threads
while newcomers like
me
cannot
This is generally not true, a few long time users who have been chastised by
me would beg to disagree with you ;)
2) This thread is about the preservation of data for
long periods of time
which can if you think about it be related to the preservation of vintage
data thus making this thread on topic
Not sure I understand what you're saying.
Long story short, there are some
professional and some hobbyist media preservationists here. The reliability
of storage media is quite important to them (and to those of us that hope
those bits of data are around 20 years from now). The whole topic was
brought up with regards to how to keep critical vintage system data (like
boot disks, etc.) around.
3) When many members on this list find a OT thread to
contain useful and
not
widely available information it is accepted even though it's OT
That depends on
how far off-topic it is. I have the rather dubious task of
making that distinction.
I'm constantly looking for long backup solutions
for which
currently consist of backing up on one-two HD's depending on the size of
the
file(s) and cd-r's which seems to me like the best current solution since
HD's don't last that long unfortunately...but even cd-rs don't last
forever..
I believe the generally accepted shelf-life of CDR media is somewhere
around
5-7 years, depending on how well handled/stored. CDR's thus fail to be
worthy of consideration when talking about media preservation. I believe I
am correct that generally accepted practice for preservation is having a
policy in place to rotate media every X years, where X is substantially less
than the projected media life.
Jay
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