14 Oct
2015
14 Oct
'15
1:56 p.m.
On a sudden impulse, I put in a bid for an HP1663A logic analyzer for
$30 and won for $29. Just got the thing--it's essentially in like-new
condition--not even a scratch, no CRT burn and comes with the original
set of pods and grabbers. Not so much as a fingerprint anywhere--even
the line cord is clean. Must have come from a rental place.
I've got the user and programming manuals, but that keyboard jack in the
back has me befuddled. It's an RJ45 modular jack with the middle 4
positions populated. The manual only refers to it as a "standard"
keyboard and mouse connector. What does that mean, exactly? What kind
of signals does this "standard" keyboard use?
Thanks,
Chuck
14 Oct
14 Oct
1:57 p.m.
HP-HIL.
On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 1:56 PM, Chuck Guzis <cclist at sydex.com> wrote:
On a sudden impulse, I put in a bid for an HP1663A
logic analyzer for $30
and won for $29. Just got the thing--it's essentially in like-new
condition--not even a scratch, no CRT burn and comes with the original set
of pods and grabbers. Not so much as a fingerprint anywhere--even the line
cord is clean. Must have come from a rental place.
I've got the user and programming manuals, but that keyboard jack in the
back has me befuddled. It's an RJ45 modular jack with the middle 4
positions populated. The manual only refers to it as a "standard" keyboard
and mouse connector. What does that mean, exactly? What kind of signals
does this "standard" keyboard use?
Thanks,
Chuck
--
Ian Finder
(206) 395-MIPS
ian.finder at gmail.com
2:08 p.m.
Nice score on the HP 1663A.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/321884393529?orig_cvip=true
You would probably end up paying more for an HP-HIL keyboard such as
an 46021A than you did for the 1663A.
On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 1:57 PM, Ian Finder <ian.finder at gmail.com> wrote:
HP-HIL.
On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 1:56 PM, Chuck Guzis <cclist at sydex.com> wrote:
On a sudden impulse, I put in a bid for an
HP1663A logic analyzer for $30
and won for $29. Just got the thing--it's essentially in like-new
condition--not even a scratch, no CRT burn and comes with the original set
of pods and grabbers. Not so much as a fingerprint anywhere--even the line
cord is clean. Must have come from a rental place.
I've got the user and programming manuals, but that keyboard jack in the
back has me befuddled. It's an RJ45 modular jack with the middle 4
positions populated. The manual only refers to it as a "standard" keyboard
and mouse connector. What does that mean, exactly? What kind of signals
does this "standard" keyboard use?
Thanks,
Chuck
--
Ian Finder
(206) 395-MIPS
ian.finder at gmail.com
2:25 p.m.
On 10/14/2015 02:08 PM, Glen Slick wrote:
Nice score on the HP 1663A.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/321884393529?orig_cvip=true
You would probably end up paying more for an HP-HIL keyboard such as
an 46021A than you did for the 1663A.
A quick check on prices for a HP A4220-62001, adapter seems to show that
they aren't terribly expensive.
--Chuck
3:51 p.m.
If that's the one I'm thinking of, it's not an active adapter- it was more
akin to a breakout- and went to (and *only* to) the HP 715.
There's no way to cheat that I know of, you need to find an actual HIL
keyboard.
On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 2:25 PM, Chuck Guzis <cclist at sydex.com> wrote:
On 10/14/2015 02:08 PM, Glen Slick wrote:
--
Ian Finder
(206) 395-MIPS
ian.finder at gmail.com
Nice score on the HP 1663A.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/321884393529?orig_cvip=true
You would probably end up paying more for an HP-HIL keyboard such as
an 46021A than you did for the 1663A.
A quick check on prices for a HP A4220-62001, adapter seems to show that
they aren't terribly expensive.
--Chuck
3:54 p.m.
On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 2:25 PM, Chuck Guzis <cclist at sydex.com> wrote:
A quick check on prices for a HP A4220-62001, adapter seems to show that
they aren't terribly expensive.
It has never been clear to me whether those adapter boxes actually do
what you would want to do here, i.e. allow you to plug a PS/2 keyboard
and/or mouse into an HP-HIL host port and allow the PS/2 devices to
function as native HP-HIL devices.
Some references on the net indicate that at least some of those
adapter boxes were really just passive breakout boxes where the host
natively supported both HP-HIL and PS/2 protocols but just had a
proprietary connector that needed to be broken out into HP-HIL and
PS/2 connectors.
3:55 p.m.
On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 3:54 PM, Glen Slick <glen.slick at gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 2:25 PM, Chuck Guzis
<cclist at sydex.com> wrote:
I have one sitting in a drawer at home, I can crack it open tonight if
anyone's curious what's inside ;).
- Josh
A quick check on prices for a HP A4220-62001, adapter seems to show that
they aren't terribly expensive.
It has never been clear to me whether those adapter boxes actually do
what you would want to do here, i.e. allow you to plug a PS/2 keyboard
and/or mouse into an HP-HIL host port and allow the PS/2 devices to
function as native HP-HIL devices.
Some references on the net indicate that at least some of those
adapter boxes were really just passive breakout boxes where the host
natively supported both HP-HIL and PS/2 protocols but just had a
proprietary connector that needed to be broken out into HP-HIL and
PS/2 connectors.
3:58 p.m.
On 10/14/15 3:55 PM, Josh Dersch wrote:
I have one sitting in a drawer at home, I can crack it
open tonight if
anyone's curious what's inside ;).
Did that a while ago, and they are passive. They are designed to work with
a PA-RISC workstation that can deal with either kind of keyboard on the same
connector
3:58 p.m.
I'm curious to see for sure. In fact I may need one for my HP 715. But I'm
also 99.9% sure it is not useful for what Chuck has in mind.
On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 3:55 PM, Josh Dersch <derschjo at gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 3:54 PM, Glen Slick
<glen.slick at gmail.com> wrote:
I have one sitting in a drawer at home, I can crack it open tonight if
anyone's curious what's inside ;).
- Josh
--
Ian Finder
(206) 395-MIPS
ian.finder at gmail.com
On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 2:25 PM, Chuck Guzis
<cclist at sydex.com> wrote:
>
> A quick check on prices for a HP A4220-62001, adapter seems to show
that
they
aren't terribly expensive.
It has never been clear to me whether those adapter boxes actually do
what you would want to do here, i.e. allow you to plug a PS/2 keyboard
and/or mouse into an HP-HIL host port and allow the PS/2 devices to
function as native HP-HIL devices.
Some references on the net indicate that at least some of those
adapter boxes were really just passive breakout boxes where the host
natively supported both HP-HIL and PS/2 protocols but just had a
proprietary connector that needed to be broken out into HP-HIL and
PS/2 connectors.
4:50 p.m.
On 10/14/2015 03:58 PM, Ian Finder wrote:
I'm curious to see for sure. In fact I may need
one for my HP 715.
But I'm also 99.9% sure it is not useful for what Chuck has in mind.
I think you're right. Check out the conversation here:
http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.hardware.rescue/19389
Note the post by Brian Wheeler giving the pinout. Clearly, in this
case, the 715 supports both and it's just a matter of passive connections.
That's not the case for the 1663 logic analyzer. Ah, well.
--Chuck
22 Oct
22 Oct
11:28 a.m.
Am 15.10.15 um 00:58 schrieb Ian Finder:
In fact I may need one for my HP 715.
There are
two variants of HP9000/715: The older versions like the 715/33
have HIL only. The newer like the 714/64 have HIL and PS/2. You _need_
that breakout box for the later to connect any keyboard or mouse. It is
just a passive box with some cables and sockets. In that newer version
of the machine the case opening for the HIL connector was used for the
10 pin connector to the breakout box.
--
tsch??,
Jochen
5:23 p.m.
ons 2015-10-14 klockan 13:57 -0700 skrev Ian Finder:
HP-HIL.
On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 1:56 PM, Chuck Guzis <cclist at sydex.com>
wrote:
The HP HCL speaks about a HIL-only host (SPU) to PS/2-keyboard adapter
from mic.com
The 9000/715 (and 725/100) computers had a special HIL-port (SMD-10)
which required an break-out box.
It seems to exist a PS/2 (system)-to-HIL (keyboard/mouse) for those who
likes their old HIL keyboards.
OR have sw which requires the identity HIL dongle.
15 Oct
15 Oct
7:17 p.m.
On 10/14/2015 05:23 PM, Stefan Skoglund (lokal anv?ndare) wrote:
ons 2015-10-14 klockan 13:57 -0700 skrev Ian Finder:
It seems to exist a PS/2 (system)-to-HIL
(keyboard/mouse) for those who
likes their old HIL keyboards.
OR have sw which requires the identity HIL dongle.
Absent everything else, reading through the HP HIL technical document,
it seems as if interfacing to other devices using a not-very-powerful
MCU wouldn't be beyond the range of practicality. 15-bit async serial
words, 5 volt logic--all seems to be pretty straightforward.
Is the reason that no one appears to be doing this because HP-HIL
devices (and hosts) are relatively uncommon?
--Chuck
14 Oct
14 Oct
2:19 p.m.
On 10/14/2015 3:56 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote:
On a sudden impulse, I put in a bid for an HP1663A
logic analyzer for
$30 and won for $29. Just got the thing--it's essentially in like-new
condition--not even a scratch, no CRT burn and comes with the original
set of pods and grabbers. Not so much as a fingerprint anywhere--even
the line cord is clean. Must have come from a rental place.
I've got the user and programming manuals, but that keyboard jack in the
back has me befuddled. It's an RJ45 modular jack with the middle 4
positions populated. The manual only refers to it as a "standard"
keyboard and mouse connector. What does that mean, exactly? What kind
of signals does this "standard" keyboard use?
Thanks,
Chuck
HP HIL.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HIL_bus
That is why I held out for my 1672 - it has PS/2 keyboard and mouse, and
Ethernet.
JRJ
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