In the old days it was bargain and dumpster dive day. TCF was a lot like what the VCF sounds like. (Except with a mix of some of the classic stuff with some of the newer computers.) PDP 8's, and PDP11's as well as S100 stuff was common. Now there's some Sun, Vax, HP Unix stuff, some older S100, H89, H8. Some CP/M (rare) some Macintosh and Apple II/III... But it's becoming more and more a Windows and PC kind of show. I don't know what it'll be like this year with Ken Gordon running the show on contract (but I fear the worst). Bill --- bpechter@shell.monmouth.com|pechter@pechter.dyndns.org Three things never anger: First, the one who runs your DEC, The one who does Field Service and the one who signs your check.