IMHO you should be ok with the VMS 5.2 grey wall on 5.6. It won't tell you about some of the cool new stuff but unless you're in the system tuning book you should be ok. As far as Eve, to learn it, type edit/tpu filename then press pf0 and type help. (I think. been a while). -- Jim Strickland jim(a)calico.litterbox.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Vote Meadocrat! Bill and Opus in 2000 - Who ELSE is there? -----------------------------------------------------------------------