19 May
1999
19 May
'99
2:18 a.m.
> The way to build a wall is to stack them not all
the same way round. The
most
> stable method is probably LRRLLRRLL..., but LRLRLR
would probably work (L and
R
meaning Macs
facing Left and Right respectively)
LLRR wouldn't work. You'd have an unstable zigzag. LRLR is far more
optimal. 
19 May
19 May
7:27 a.m.
On Wed, 19 May 1999 Philip.Belben(a)pgen.com wrote:
LLRR definitely wouldn't work. But LRLR will
still tend to stray from
the vertical because the sloping tops all slope the same way. That is
why I suggested LRRL. This zigzag reverses the sideways displacement
that occurs in each pair of layers, thus rising vertically and being
therefore more stable than LRLR.
To flog a dead camel, and carry forward a pointless thread, I still don't
see how LRRL is any superior to LRLR. LRRL would be noticeably crooked,
and might not even stand.
Sellam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com
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7:43 a.m.
New subject: museums of misinformation
While taking a minute to follow a thread of links on the WWW I hit
the ALayers site at SFU...
PET PEAVE TIME:: the asstounding lack of infomation or worse yet outright
errors. In the case that triggered this an ICS suitcase computer is said
to use a NEC 8255 cpu! that's a parallel port chip and the CPU is 8080,
further the board is the NEC TK80A design repackaged.
I see this sort of error, cru mmy pictures (lowres, dark or not
informational)all too often. If one is going to go to the effort of
documenting a system or whatever accuracy is a good thing. That means
all too often not getting it from an other inaccurate site! Why do
archeologits revisit sites? So they can assure that their studies are not
loaded with anothers errors or assumptions.
So I ranted,
Allison
8:23 a.m.
New subject: OT: Web Inaccuracy Re: museums of misinformation
At 12:43 PM 5/19/99 -0400, Allison ranted:
I see this sort of error, cru mmy pictures (lowres,
dark or not
informational)all too often.
There is probably a Phd thesis in this statement. In fact much of the data
on the web supplied by 3rd parties is either misleading, inaccurate, or
simply wrong. Its rampant in the 3D graphics sites because students of 3D
graphics evolve:
1) I'm clueless so I read stuff and search the web.
2) I write up a web site which documents my journey
and is full of my own misunderstandings.
3) I learn the truth but I'm so busy I don't have time
to go back and update the web pages.
The result, a lot of stuff sits around that is wrong.
Then this is counterbalanced by another phenomena which has been
documented[1] but isn't understood. Ask a large enough crowd of people
_any_ question and collect all the answers from all of them and the mean
will be very close to the correct answer _even if no one in the crowd has
any relevant experience_! So the web also has this going for it.
--Chuck
[1] - This was reported widely in the press about 12 years ago but given
the fogginess of age the specific citation fails to surface. I believe the
paper was titled, "The amazing accuracy of crowds" or thereabouts.
8:06 a.m.
Sellam Ismail wrote:
I wonder if there's a word that describes the noise camels (live ones) make?
There probably is a word in Arabic.
I get the impression that you two are using the same terms for different
things. Are you both thinking of a single column of Macs, one Mac wide and
any number tall? Or is someone perhaps thinking of a double-wide column?
Maybe it's time for ASCII art. I'm not volunteering.
-- Derek
On Wed, 19 May 1999 Philip.Belben(a)pgen.com wrote:
LLRR
definitely wouldn't work. But LRLR will still tend to stray from
the vertical because the sloping tops all slope the same way. That is
why I suggested LRRL. This zigzag reverses the sideways displacement
that occurs in each pair of layers, thus rising vertically and being
therefore more stable than LRLR.
To flog a dead camel, and carry forward a pointless thread, I still don't
see how LRRL is any superior to LRLR. LRRL would be noticeably crooked,
and might not even stand. 
9:54 a.m.
> LLRR definitely wouldn't work. But LRLR will
still tend to stray from
> the vertical because the sloping tops all slope the same way. That is
> why I suggested LRRL. This zigzag reverses the sideways displacement
> that occurs in each pair of layers, thus rising vertically and being
> therefore more stable than LRLR.
To flog a dead camel, and carry forward a pointless
thread, I still don't
see how LRRL is any superior to LRLR. LRRL would be noticeably crooked,
and might not even stand.
Try to thing 3D not 2D - it is not only the level, but also the position.
Giveme your faxnumber.
Gruss
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Ich denke, also bin ich, also gut
HRK
10:41 a.m.
All this mental activity shouldn't go to waste. Why not pick up a few dozen
of those old no good compact macs and have a stacking contest at VCF?
3:26 p.m.
On Wed, 19 May 1999, Fred Cisin (XenoSoft) wrote:
I'd get around the liability issue by making the point be to kill an
audience member. Anyone attending the event would sign a waiver, and the
added suspense of knowing that one person in the crowd will die would
cause a media sensation! I'll be rich!
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All this
mental activity shouldn't go to waste. Why not pick up a few dozen
of those old no good compact macs and have a stacking contest at VCF?
Due to liability issues, you'd have to remove the CRTs, and maybe put down
some gym mats.
12:54 p.m.
All this mental activity shouldn't go to waste.
Why not pick up a few dozen
of those old no good compact macs and have a stacking contest at VCF?
Great idea - 3m are to be toped. Sam, your Job.
Anyway, I guess an Appletalk installation
will cost more than these Macs used :)
Gruss
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Ich denke, also bin ich, also gut
HRK
5:12 p.m.
Wouldn't it be better if we used XTs for the walls and Macs for the merlons? The
XTs would give a much thicker wall, flatter surface with which to build on and,
depending on whether we remove the drives or not, more hidey holes for snacks and
things. Of course there would be no Windows, since they are XTs but almost
certainly there would be Gates.
Just a thought, folks. Don't want to throw you off.
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10:33 a.m.
On Wed, 19 May 1999 Philip.Belben(a)pgen.com wrote:
This is really a moot point as the mac plus won't support that much on top
of it, without even considering the cooling issues. Just build some darn
shelves.
LLRR definitely wouldn't work. But LRLR will
still tend to stray from
the vertical because the sloping tops all slope the same way. That is
why I suggested LRRL. This zigzag reverses the sideways displacement
that occurs in each pair of layers, thus rising vertically and being
therefore more stable than LRLR.
To flog a dead camel, and carry forward a pointless thread, I still don't
see how LRRL is any superior to LRLR. LRRL would be noticeably crooked,
and might not even stand. 
20 May
20 May
1:45 p.m.
No, no, you're going about the whole thing wrong. Place them all facing
fordward with shims and duct tape holding them in the right position!
Kevin
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On Wed, 19 May 1999 Philip.Belben(a)pgen.com wrote:
LLRR definitely wouldn't work. But LRLR will still tend to stray from the
vertical because the sloping tops all slope the same way. That is why I
suggested LRRL. This zigzag reverses the sideways displacement that occurs in
each pair of layers, thus rising vertically and being therefore more stable than
LRLR.
Philip.
> The way to build a wall is to stack them not
all the same way round. The
most
> stable method is probably LRRLLRRLL..., but
LRLRLR would probably work (L and
R
meaning
Macs facing Left and Right respectively)
LLRR wouldn't work. You'd have an unstable zigzag. LRLR is far more
optimal.
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