7 Jul
2005
7 Jul
'05
5:55 p.m.
The /45 lives, got a console up with the console emulator today. I never did
get a blinking lights program to show up right, but I'm too embarassed to
admit what likely caused that. But I got a lot of other few instruction
programs to work correctly so I moved on to the DL11 and 9312 setup and got
it all working. Only have 8K of core, but hey, it's a start. Once I get it
to boot from a peripheral I'll take out the loaned cpu set and move mine
back in and see where it chokes.
So now I have a few peripheral questions. I was going to put in an RL02
drive, but I've been advised against putting one in the same cabinet as the
cpu cab is top cooling intake :\ Now I'm moving on instead to hooking up and
testing a LincTape II and a DSD440 drive. I found the docs for the DSD440
drive on bitsavers; my drive is missing the controller to drive cable. From
those docs it appears to be a straight through 2x13 pin berg connector at
each end. Can anyone confirm this? Also, If the DSD440 drive is set for
RX01, will it work with the standard dec boot rom (DX) on the 9312?
Likewise, if it's set for RX02 emulation will it work with the DY boot room
on the 9312? Or does the DSD440 need a unique bootrom?
I also have the LincTape II & controller (&cable), model CO-3000D. However,
I don't see any docs for it on bitsavers and my googling gives tons of stuff
on the Linc, not the LincTape II. Does anyone have docs for the LincTape II
in electronic format? Or better yet... a boot rom for it :>
I have spare boot roms (DP, RP02/03 and DM, RK06/07) that I doubt I'll ever
use and would be available for trade.
Thanks!
Jay West
7 Jul
7 Jul
5:59 p.m.
>>>> "Jay" == Jay West <jwest
at classiccmp.org> writes:
Jay> The /45 lives, got a console up with the console emulator
Jay> today. I never did get a blinking lights program to show up
Jay> right, but I'm too embarassed to admit what likely caused
Jay> that. But I got a lot of other few instruction programs to work
Jay> correctly so I moved on to the DL11 and 9312 setup and got it
Jay> all working. Only have 8K of core, but hey, it's a start.
Congratulations.
8kW is enough for RT, at least for the older SJ versions. That's all
I had on our physics department 11/20 in college...
paul
11:09 p.m.
On 7/7/05, Paul Koning <pkoning at equallogic.com> wrote:
8kW is enough for RT, at least for the older SJ
versions. That's all
I had on our physics department 11/20 in college...
It'll boot, but wow... that'd be tight. I'm used to RT-11 v2.x and
4.x w/32Kw. Plenty of room to knock around.
-ethan
8:28 p.m.
On Thu, 7 Jul 2005, Jay West wrote:
testing a LincTape II and a DSD440 drive. I found the
docs for the DSD440
drive on bitsavers; my drive is missing the controller to drive cable. From
those docs it appears to be a straight through 2x13 pin berg connector at
each end. Can anyone confirm this?
Yes, it is.
Also, If the DSD440 drive is set for
RX01, will it work with the standard dec boot rom (DX) on the 9312?
Likewise, if it's set for RX02 emulation will it work with the DY boot room
on the 9312? Or does the DSD440 need a unique bootrom?
As far as I know, it emulates DX or DY.
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9:04 p.m.
At 04:55 PM 7/7/05 -0500, you wrote:
The /45 lives, got a console up with the console
emulator today. I never did
get a blinking lights program to show up right, but I'm too embarassed to
admit what likely caused that. But I got a lot of other few instruction
programs to work correctly so I moved on to the DL11 and 9312 setup and got
it all working. Only have 8K of core, but hey, it's a start. Once I get it
to boot from a peripheral I'll take out the loaned cpu set and move mine
back in and see where it chokes.
So now I have a few peripheral questions. I was going to put in an RL02
drive, but I've been advised against putting one in the same cabinet as the
cpu cab is top cooling intake :\ Now I'm moving on instead to hooking up and
testing a LincTape II and a DSD440 drive. I found the docs for the DSD440
drive on bitsavers; my drive is missing the controller to drive cable. From
those docs it appears to be a straight through 2x13 pin berg connector at
each end. Can anyone confirm this?
Yeap. it's a straight through 26 pin ribbon cable. That's what the manual
says and I have an original cable and I've checked it. One hole is plugged
on each connector so that they can't be installed backwards. I don't
remember which one it is but you should be able to tell by looking at the
mating connectors. If you're not sure I'll go look. FWIW I've been working
on my DSD drives. One is acting very weird but I got one working perfectly.
I have one more that's missing a drive and it occasionally gives CRC errors
but I have more drives that may work.
Also, If the DSD440 drive is set for
RX01, will it work with the standard dec boot rom (DX)
on the 9312?
Likewise, if it's set for RX02 emulation will it work with the DY boot room
on the 9312? Or does the DSD440 need a unique bootrom?
According to the manual it should act exactly like a RX01 or RX02
depending on the jumper setting. I think I remember the manual saying that
the standard boot ROMs would work with it but I'm not certain. BTW I have
an extra DSD manual if you need one.
Joe
I also have the LincTape II & controller (&cable), model CO-3000D. However,
I don't see any docs for it on bitsavers and my googling gives tons of stuff
on the Linc, not the LincTape II. Does anyone have docs for the LincTape II
in electronic format? Or better yet... a boot rom for it :>
I have spare boot roms (DP, RP02/03 and DM, RK06/07) that I doubt I'll ever
use and would be available for trade.
Thanks!
Jay West
10:32 p.m.
My recollections and recommendations...
The boot rom for the DSD drive is already on the 9312 from the 11/34
system. It is a standard DEC rom, I think RX02.
Also, use the MOS memory from the 11/34 to boot. I'd recommend you
boot from the DSD drives, or one of the RL01's. You have several
bootable RL01 packs, but there are still two or three left here.
One of the packs that's still here is the one that has the driver source
for the LincTape drive.
I never had a boot rom for the Linc, and its not really a practical boot
device for RT-11.
No cable for the DSD setup eh? Hmmm, must still be in the garage....
It is a normal ribbon cable just as you suspect.
As best I recall, the LincTape II supports both DecTape and LincTape
formats (they are not the same). Way back in the Eli Heffron days
I used to get requests to transfer data from Linc or DecTape and
copy it onto RX02's, but this became painful and we stopped doing
this 'service'. The drives you have (LincTape II and DSD) are the
very drives I used for this.
I have a bunch of media for the LincTape II drive. Al K. 'borrowed'
several tapes that had something of interest when he picked up the
MIT CADR as well. But there are still many tapes here you need to
get.
As for mounting the RL01, there is still an H-960 sitting here!
I think I also have a box of floppy disks for the DSD setup.
You did get the OMSI Pascal packs, right?
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Subject: 11/45 is alive (I'm singing "who's johnny")
The /45 lives, got a console up with the console
emulator today. I never
did get a blinking lights program to show up right, but I'm too embarassed
to admit what likely caused that. But I got a lot of other few instruction
programs to work correctly so I moved on to the DL11 and 9312 setup and
got it all working. Only have 8K of core, but hey, it's a start. Once I
get it to boot from a peripheral I'll take out the loaned cpu set and move
mine back in and see where it chokes.
So now I have a few peripheral questions. I was going to put in an RL02
drive, but I've been advised against putting one in the same cabinet as
the cpu cab is top cooling intake :\ Now I'm moving on instead to hooking
up and testing a LincTape II and a DSD440 drive. I found the docs for the
DSD440 drive on bitsavers; my drive is missing the controller to drive
cable. From those docs it appears to be a straight through 2x13 pin berg
connector at each end. Can anyone confirm this? Also, If the DSD440 drive
is set for RX01, will it work with the standard dec boot rom (DX) on the
9312? Likewise, if it's set for RX02 emulation will it work with the DY
boot room on the 9312? Or does the DSD440 need a unique bootrom?
I also have the LincTape II & controller (&cable), model CO-3000D.
However, I don't see any docs for it on bitsavers and my googling gives
tons of stuff on the Linc, not the LincTape II. Does anyone have docs for
the LincTape II in electronic format? Or better yet... a boot rom for it
:>
I have spare boot roms (DP, RP02/03 and DM, RK06/07) that I doubt I'll
ever use and would be available for trade.
Thanks!
Jay West
8 Jul
8 Jul
10:56 a.m.
Bob wrote...
The boot rom for the DSD drive is already on the 9312
from the 11/34
system. It is a standard DEC rom, I think RX02.
I found a DX & DY boot rom on
that 9312, which I assumed was the right one
but I didn't know if the DSD required a non-standard (ie. non-DEC) boot rom.
It appears that it uses a standard boot rom, so I'm all set there. I really
wish the DSD440 I got from you had the rails, but I'm going to dig around
here and see if I have some rails that will fit it.
Also, use the MOS memory from the 11/34 to boot.
Yes, but.... if I pull the memory from the /34 I won't have any memory for
the /34 which I DO plan to restore in the near future. Plus, there's been
some discussion about that memory needing a MUD slot. I'll sort it out
before too long.
One of the packs that's still here is the one that
has the driver source
for the LincTape drive.
Ug... I definitely would like to get that!
No cable for the DSD setup eh? Hmmm, must still be in
the garage....
It is a normal ribbon cable just as you suspect.
I bought a 26 conductor 10 foot
rainbow ribbon cable yesterday, along with a
few 2x13 IDC connectors. So, I'll just make my own connector. As I recall,
rainbow ribbon cables normally use brown for pin 1. I also bit the bullet
and bought an IDC crimp tool, I've used a bench vise in the past and it just
doesn't work well - too many broken connectors ;)
I have a bunch of media for the LincTape II drive. Al
K. 'borrowed'
several tapes that had something of interest when he picked up the
MIT CADR as well. But there are still many tapes here you need to
get.
I'd love to get those tapes Bob! But as a side note... dare I ask... is
new
media for linctape II available anywhere? The stuff is old enough I'm
concerned about tape decay...
As for mounting the RL01, there is still an H-960
sitting here!
I think I also have a box of floppy disks for the DSD setup.
I have an H-960 spare.
I was REALLY hoping to make the 11/45 a single bay
setup, but it doesn't seem that is really possible. I'll have to hunt up a
"tie together" kit to bolt my two racks together if I wind up going the dual
bay route :|
You did get the OMSI Pascal packs, right?
I am
99% sure that one or more of the packs I got from you was labled OMSI
Pascal. I think I already have a 3rd party pascal compiler on RX02 media,
not positive about that. I do know I have the Saturn Word Processing system
distribution on RX02 if anyone needs that.
Jay West
6:58 p.m.
No cable for
the DSD setup eh? Hmmm, must still be in the garage....
It is a normal ribbon cable just as you suspect.
I bought a 26 conductor 10 foot
rainbow ribbon cable yesterday, along with a
few 2x13 IDC connectors. So, I'll just make my own connector. As I recall,
rainbow ribbon cables normally use brown for pin 1. I also bit the bullet and bought an IDC crimp tool, I've used a bench
vise in the past and it just
doesn't work well - too many broken connectors ;)
Odd... I've crimped dozens of connectors in the vice and had no problems.
If it's a connector with exposed pins, like those DIL transition headers,
I put the pins into a pluigblock type of 'breadboard' first. It's about
all seid breadboards are useful for...
As for
mounting the RL01, there is still an H-960 sitting here!
I think I also have a box of floppy disks for the DSD setup.
I have an H-960
spare. I was REALLY hoping to make the 11/45 a single bay
setup, but it doesn't seem that is really possible. I'll have to hunt up a
from what I've found. Then an RK05, but you could
put an RL there. On top
is the RK11-C controller at the front and its H720 PSU at
the back.
-tony
9 Jul
9 Jul
5:50 a.m.
New subject: 11/45 is alive
On Fri, 8 Jul 2005, Tony Duell wrote:
I have a single rack 11/45 system with one RK05 on top, then a RL02, a
RK02 and then the CPU. All controller cards are in the CPU box itself, the
RK11-D has its own backplane and fits into the CPU box, and there's an
additional 4-slot DD11. In total, I have the CPU boards including FPP, two
DL11-W cards (one for the console, one for auxiliary stuff), a 128kW MOS
memory board, the RL11 controller (hex board), the RX211 controller (quad
board) and the RX11-D controller at the end (with terminator card on the
Unibus out slot). There's still space for another 4-slot backplane in the
box. And all the stuff runs happily together and consumes only about 1300
watts (it's standard to have 230V outlets with 16A fusing here, a washing
machines takes 2000W and the condensing dryer over 3000W).
BTW I run RT11 or 2.9BSD on a RK05 disk. Yes, I have a small single RK05
disk 2.9BSD system (including a 256kB swap space!) with stuff like kermit
etc. which I mainly use for playing around or data transfers. I think
there's even the compiler on the disk.
Christian
I have an
H-960 spare. I was REALLY hoping to make the 11/45 a single bay
setup, but it doesn't seem that is really possible. I'll have to hunt up a
Why not? In one of my H960s, I have the 11/45 CPU with it's PSUs (bottom
3 bays). Then an RX02 -- that doesn't obstruct the cooling to the CPU
from what I've found. Then an RK05, but you could put an RL there. On top
is the RK11-C controller at the front and its H720 PSU at the back. 
5:33 p.m.
Tony Duell wrote:
Yes. Just follow the normal colour code. You know :
0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9
Better Buy Resistor Or Your Grid Bias May Go West
L R E R E R L A R H
A O D A L E U G E I
C W N L E E E Y T
K N G O N N E
E W T
A
Magenta? Shouldn't that be violet.
Bad Beer Rots Our Young Guts, But Vodka Goes Well
Black Boys Rape Our Young Girls, But Violet Goes Willingly
<and many other, more obscene, varients>
Why not? In one of my H960s, I have the 11/45 CPU with it's PSUs (bottom
3 bays). Then an RX02 -- that doesn't obstruct the cooling to the CPU
from what I've found. Then an RK05, but you could put an RL there. On top
is the RK11-C controller at the front and its H720 PSU at the back.
-tony
No cable for the DSD setup eh? Hmmm, must still be in
the garage....
It is a normal ribbon cable just as you suspect.
I bought a 26 conductor 10 foot rainbow ribbon cable yesterday, along with a
few 2x13 IDC connectors. So, I'll just make my own connector. As I recall,
rainbow ribbon cables normally use brown for pin 1. I also bit the bullet
and bought an
IDC crimp tool, I've used a bench vise in the past and it just
doesn't work well - too many broken connectors ;)
Odd... I've crimped dozens of connectors in the vice and had no problems.
If it's a connector with exposed pins, like those DIL transition headers,
I put the pins into a pluigblock type of 'breadboard' first. It's about
all seid breadboards are useful for...
As for
mounting the RL01, there is still an H-960 sitting here!
I think I also have a box of floppy disks for the DSD setup.
I have an H-960 spare. I was REALLY hoping to make the 11/45 a single bay
setup, but it doesn't seem that is really possible. I'll have to hunt up a
8:23 p.m.
On 7/9/05, Kevin Handy <kth at srv.net> wrote:
Magenta? Shouldn't that be violet.
It's always been violet wherever I've seen/been taught it.
Bad Beer Rots Our Young Guts, But Vodka Goes Well
Black Boys Rape Our Young Girls, But Violet Goes Willingly
" " " But Virgins Go Without
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