21 Sep
2000
21 Sep
'00
6:24 a.m.
--- Dave McGuire <mcguire(a)neurotica.com> wrote:
On September 20, Tim Harrison wrote:
If you did, it would _crawl_. The CPU in the Palm is an enhanced 68000
processor running at a fairly low speed (16Mhz? 20Mhz?). I think it would
be cool, too, but intolerably slow.
Have you fired up any flavors of PDP UNIX on it?
-ethan
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Someone has GOT to make a PalmOS version of this! I refuse to use CE
devices, but this would RULE on PalmOS. :)
Damn...if someone DOES port that to PalmOS, I'll go out and BUY one
of those infernal doesn't-recognize-simple-roman-handwriting-like-my-
righteous-but-discontinued-newton-does-so-well Palm boxes. 
21 Sep
21 Sep
7:13 a.m.
On Thu, 21 Sep 2000 08:24:43 -0700 (PDT) Ethan Dicks
<ethan_dicks(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
If you did, it would _crawl_. The CPU in the Palm is
an enhanced 68000
processor running at a fairly low speed (16Mhz? 20Mhz?). I think it would
be cool, too, but intolerably slow.
Slow? I've programmed an Atari ST with a 68000 at 8MHz,
and it only had 512kbytes of memory! According to the
O'Reilly book, on the Palm Pilot "Memory is Extremely
Limited". Well, mine's got 2Mbytes, which isn't limited at
all compared to the Atari...
Now, I wonder how well my old 6502 simulator will run on
the Palm? It was coded in 68000 assembler on an old DTACK
Grounded board in about 1986.
--
John Honniball
Email: John.Honniball(a)uwe.ac.uk
University of the West of England
2:38 p.m.
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Honniball" <John.Honniball(a)uwe.ac.uk>
To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2000 12:13 PM
Subject: Re: PocketPDP
According to the
O'Reilly book, on the Palm Pilot "Memory is Extremely
Limited". Well, mine's got 2Mbytes, which isn't limited at
all compared to the Atari...
My friend's mother has a Palm IIIf?? It's a III something, can't remember
the letter after it. It has 8 megs of RAM. Not at all limited :)
John Honniball
Email: John.Honniball(a)uwe.ac.uk
University of the West of England
Kevin
8:04 a.m.
If you did, it would _crawl_. The CPU in the Palm is
an enhanced 68000
processor running at a fairly low speed (16Mhz? 20Mhz?). I think it would
be cool, too, but intolerably slow.
Yeah, I agree. It's somewhat slow on CE devices which have faster
processors. But this is partly due to the overhead of the way I hacked
the IO.
Another issue is the memory size. Most Palms have like
4meg??? I would expect not much room left over for a disk image. Most of the
images I use are RL02 which are 10megs.
Still a port would be easy. Anyone want to buy me a copy of Codewarrior? :-)
Have you fired up any flavors of PDP UNIX on it?
No, just RT-11 and RSTS. I'm working on a Windows version (hopefully with
multiple terminals in different windows). It's mostly the same code and I've
been able to boot Unix 6th edition with it no problem.
Kirk
9:06 a.m.
No, just RT-11 and RSTS. I'm working on a Windows
version (hopefully with
multiple terminals in different windows). It's mostly the same code and I've
been able to boot Unix 6th edition with it no problem.
Kirk
Slick...
What the Windows version needs is a front panel with
blinkenlights and switches like the Doug Jones PDP8 emulator (which has
been ported to X11 and Mac...).
Which Windows versions will you support?
Imagine an 11/45 running emulated V6 Unix or V7 with a couple of
simulated TTY's. Perhaps even a sound card with 110 baud sounding
kachunks.
Or an RT11 with VT11/VR17 with the VT running Teco and Spacewars and the
lightpen emulated with the mouse.
The possibilities are endless.
Bill
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9:51 a.m.
No, just RT-11 and RSTS. I'm working on a
Windows version (hopefully with
multiple terminals in different windows). It's mostly the same code and I've
been able to boot Unix 6th edition with it no problem.
Kirk
Slick...
What the Windows version needs is a front panel with
blinkenlights and switches like the Doug Jones PDP8 emulator (which has
been ported to X11 and Mac...).
Which Windows versions will you support?
Imagine an 11/45 running emulated V6 Unix or V7 with a couple of
simulated TTY's. Perhaps even a sound card with 110 baud sounding
kachunks.
10:20 a.m.
What the
Windows version needs is a front panel with
blinkenlights and switches like the Doug Jones PDP8 emulator (which has
been ported to X11 and Mac...).
Which Windows versions will you support?
Imagine an 11/45 running emulated V6 Unix or V7 with a couple of
simulated TTY's. Perhaps even a sound card with 110 baud sounding
kachunks.
LOL! This is great. I'm going to do it! Now all I need is teletype samples :-)
I'd thought of doing the 11/45 panel. I know that some of the OS's allow
you to compile in options to use the lights and make them look cool while
running (RSTS for one). I've never seen 11/45 panel running though.
The version I'm working on will run on Win98/ME/NT/2000, etc.
Kirk
Great. Got all my disk images ready.
Perhaps the front panel stuff would port back to the Unix version for
Xwindows...
Bill
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12:20 p.m.
The Doug Jones emulator is a trip. I single stepped
the 8 and did
front panel toggle in pgms using the switches. Felt just like a real
8E.
The Mac -8/e emulator does this also, and it's great! I actually used the
Mac emulator to help me get my -8/m up and running as I had no clue as to
what the tests should look like on a functional machine.
Zane
11:37 a.m.
I compiled this simulator a couple of years
ago for 32-bit Windows. If anyone wants a
copy, let me know and I will email it to you.
It has just a plain-vanilla console.
Dave
"Kirk B. Davis" wrote:
LOL! This is great. I'm going to do it! Now all I need is teletype samples :-)
I'd thought of doing the 11/45 panel. I know that some of the OS's allow
you to compile in options to use the lights and make them look cool while
running (RSTS for one). I've never seen 11/45 panel running though.
The version I'm working on will run on Win98/ME/NT/2000, etc.
Kirk
No, just RT-11 and RSTS. I'm working on a
Windows version (hopefully with
multiple terminals in different windows). It's mostly the same code and I've
been able to boot Unix 6th edition with it no problem.
Kirk
Slick...
What the Windows version needs is a front panel with
blinkenlights and switches like the Doug Jones PDP8 emulator (which has
been ported to X11 and Mac...).
Which Windows versions will you support?
Imagine an 11/45 running emulated V6 Unix or V7 with a couple of
simulated TTY's. Perhaps even a sound card with 110 baud sounding
kachunks.
12:14 p.m.
No, just RT-11 and RSTS. I'm working on a Windows
version (hopefully with
multiple terminals in different windows). It's mostly the same code and I've
been able to boot Unix 6th edition with it no problem.
Kirk
Hey, if you're going to add that to a Windows version you'd better add
ethernet support!
Zane
1:06 p.m.
You know what would be really cool.... Is a simulated network.
Have the simulator bring up multiple PDPs under different windows
(all in one app), then have them talk to each other via device
connected to a common simulated network :-)
Kirk
No, just RT-11 and RSTS. I'm working on a
Windows version (hopefully with
multiple terminals in different windows). It's mostly the same code and I've
been able to boot Unix 6th edition with it no problem.
Kirk
Hey, if you're going to add that to a Windows version you'd better add
ethernet support!
Zane
1:31 p.m.
You know what would be really cool.... Is a simulated
network.
Have the simulator bring up multiple PDPs under different windows
(all in one app), then have them talk to each other via device
connected to a common simulated network :-)
Kirk
Actually I was thinking of it talking to the real network. That way if I
was running say RSX-11M with DECnet under the emulator I could connect to it
from a VMS box. Or if running RT-11 with TCP/IP I
could then connect to the
Sunsite archive (whatever they're calling it this
week) via FTP.
Zane
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