23 Jul
2009
23 Jul
'09
5:41 a.m.
2009/7/23 Mark Tapley <mtapley at swri.edu>:
A friend of mine worked for Connectix, and I contacted
him about this. His
response was:
At 0:53 -0700 7/21/09, John Chang wrote:
I'm afraid that's almost completely incorrect. It's true up to the
late 1990s some time, but the result is an entirely misleading and
inaccurate answer.
The Mac VirtualPC product (released around 1997 or so) was ported to
Windows and released in about 2001. It went through a couple of
versions and was very well-received, partly as it was significantly
cheaper than VMware Workstation and partly because it was simpler to
set-up and use.
Here's a review of it I wrote back in 2002:
http://www.pcpro.co.uk/reviews/33972/connectix-virtual-pc-for-windows-5.html
Because I was possibly the only journalist to ask Connectix about
things like running Ring 0 code inside an emulator, which their press
people were totally unequipped to answer, they flew Connectix founder
and chief scientist Jon Garber over to London to talk with me and
explain exactly how the product worked.
VirtualPC was followed by VirtualServer, a server virtualisation
product based on the same code, but with added support for features
like direct control of a host SCSI adaptor by the OS in a VM. This
aroused the interest of Microsoft, which was jealous of VMware's
success, and Microsoft bought Connectix in about 2003. It discarded
all the products except VirtualPC, which was maintained and sold for
the Mac, VirtualPC for Windows, which is given away for free, and
VirtualServer, which became the basis for the HyperV hypervisor in
Windows Server 2008. However, HyperV requires Intel or AMD
virtualisation instructions and no longer uses Connectix' software
virtualisation.
In 2002 or so Innotek GmbH ported VirtualPC 5 from Windows to OS/2:
http://www.bityard.com/science-technology/Innotek/Connectix-Virtual-PC
This is what the OP is looking for.
There seems to be an eval version here:
http://www.os2site.com/sw/apps/virtual/index.html
Whether it's possible to use that & keep it running, I don't know.
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Sorry, Mark. ?I do not know where to get a copy. ?Connectix Virtual PC ran
on
the Mac only, and it emulated MS DOS and Windows. ?I do not think that
Insignia
Solutions SoftPC and SoftWindows ran on OS/2. ?OS/2 like Windows NT is
supposed
to run its own emulation mode for DOS and legacy Windows applications. ?I
suspect that the poster really wants to run OS/2 on Virtual PC, SoftPC, or
SoftWindows. ?I do not think that any of the emulators will do that.
He wanted me to add the caveat that he is not 100% sure of his answer.
I hope this is helpful! 
23 Jul
23 Jul
5:54 a.m.
VirtualPC was followed by VirtualServer, a server
virtualisation
product based on the same code, but with added support for features
like direct control of a host SCSI adaptor by the OS in a VM.
Neat. Did this ever see the light of day?
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6 a.m.
2009/7/23 Cameron Kaiser <spectre at floodgap.com>:
Well, it was never released as a Connectix product - but Microsoft did
indeed release it, as a freebie even.
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserversystem/virtualserver/default.aspx
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VirtualPC was
followed by VirtualServer, a server virtualisation
product based on the same code, but with added support for features
like direct control of a host SCSI adaptor by the OS in a VM.
Neat. Did this ever see the light of day?
6:03 a.m.
VirtualPC was followed by VirtualServer, a server
virtualisation
product based on the same code, but with added support for features
like direct control of a host SCSI adaptor by the OS in a VM.
Neat. Did this ever see the light of day?
6:11 a.m.
2009/7/23 Cameron Kaiser <spectre at floodgap.com>:
Well, it was never released as a Connectix product - but Microsoft did
indeed release it, as a freebie even.
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserversystem/virtualserver/default.aspx
Oh, bleh. I was hoping there was a Mac version :)
VirtualPC was
followed by VirtualServer, a server virtualisation
product based on the same code, but with added support for features
like direct control of a host SCSI adaptor by the OS in a VM.
Neat. Did this ever see the light of day? From MS?! Not a chance!
I believe it's not only possible to get Mac OS X running under a
hypervisor, but even that it's easier than doing so on "bare metal".
I've not tried myself, though. But either the PC OS of your choice in
a VM under OS X Server, or OS X Server in a VM under the PC OS of your
choice, is as close as you'll get.
Innotek's VirtualBox seems to be the free hypervisor of choice these
days, but the small-f free options, TTBOMK, summarise as:
- VirtualBox from Sun ("full" freeware edition or limited FOSS
edition) under Linux, Windows or Mac OS X
- QEMU (FOSS) with KQEMU module on x86 under Windows, Linux or Mac OS X
- KVM (FOSS) on Linux on an x86 with hardware virtualisation
- VirtualPC on Windows/x86, or VirtualServer on Windows Server/x86, from MS
- VMware Player (can't create or edit VMs) or VMware Server (on
Windows or Linux) from VMware
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6:37 a.m.
On Thursday 23 July 2009, Liam Proven wrote:
2009/7/23 Cameron Kaiser <spectre at
floodgap.com>:
Oh, bleh. I was hoping there was a Mac version :)
From MS?! Not a chance!
I believe it's not only possible to get Mac OS X running under a
hypervisor, but even that it's easier than doing so on "bare metal".
I've not tried myself, though. But either the PC OS of your choice in
a VM under OS X Server, or OS X Server in a VM under the PC OS of
your choice, is as close as you'll get.
Innotek's VirtualBox seems to be the free hypervisor of choice these
days, but the small-f free options, TTBOMK, summarise as:
- VirtualBox from Sun ("full" freeware edition or limited FOSS
edition) under Linux, Windows or Mac OS X
- QEMU (FOSS) with KQEMU module on x86 under Windows, Linux or Mac
OS X - KVM (FOSS) on Linux on an x86 with hardware virtualisation -
VirtualPC on Windows/x86, or VirtualServer on Windows Server/x86,
from MS - VMware Player (can't create or edit VMs) or VMware Server
(on Windows or Linux) from VMware
Citrix (previously Xensource) Xen/XenServer (and VMware ESX) use a real
hypervisor. The ones you listed don't. Just because they provide
a "virtual machine" doesn't mean that they use a hypervisor to do it.
Pat
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> VirtualPC was followed by VirtualServer, a
server
> virtualisation product based on the same code, but with added
> support for features like direct control of a host SCSI
> adaptor by the OS in a VM.
Neat. Did this ever see the light of day?
Well, it was never released as a Connectix product - but Microsoft
did indeed release it, as a freebie even.
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserversystem/virtualserver/default
.aspx
6:53 a.m.
2009/7/23 Patrick Finnegan <pat at computer-refuge.org>:
On Thursday 23 July 2009, Liam Proven wrote:
The term has been redefined these days. Whereas that was originally an
accurate comment, now, anything that provides VMs in which unmodified
bare-metal OSs can run is called a hypervisor. There's a distinction
between "bare metal" hyervisors and ones that run as an application
under another OS, but it's largely an artificial one: even so-called
"bare metal" HVs actually run under a host OS, such as Linux in the
case of VMware ESX & ESXi - although the company vigorously contests
this - and also Xen or KVM.
Alas, the "pure hypervisor" which does nothing else is now largely a
footnote of history. TTBOMK there is no such thing for the x86. There
may be for some of the RISC architectures, which include proper
support for virtualisation, which is a half-hearted bolted-on extra to
the modern x86-64 chips. AMD's is a bit less of a me-too effort than
Intel's, but I believe that neither is as complete as the
implementations in POWER or SPARC, let alone IBM big iron.
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2009/7/23 Cameron Kaiser <spectre at
floodgap.com>:
I believe it's not only possible to get Mac OS X running under a
hypervisor, but even that it's easier than doing so on "bare metal".
I've not tried myself, though. But either the PC OS of your choice in
a VM under OS X Server, or OS X Server in a VM under the PC OS of
your choice, is as close as you'll get.
Innotek's VirtualBox seems to be the free hypervisor of choice these
days, but the small-f free options, TTBOMK, summarise as:
?- VirtualBox from Sun ("full" freeware edition or limited FOSS
edition) under Linux, Windows or Mac OS X
?- QEMU (FOSS) with KQEMU module on x86 under Windows, Linux or Mac
OS X - KVM (FOSS) on Linux on an x86 with hardware virtualisation -
VirtualPC on Windows/x86, or VirtualServer on Windows Server/x86,
from MS - VMware Player (can't create or edit VMs) or VMware Server
(on Windows or Linux) from VMware
Citrix (previously Xensource) Xen/XenServer (and VMware ESX) use a real
hypervisor. ?The ones you listed don't. ?Just because they provide
a "virtual machine" doesn't mean that they use a hypervisor to do it.
> >
VirtualPC was followed by VirtualServer, a server
> > virtualisation product based on the same code, but with added
> > support for features like direct control of a host SCSI
> > adaptor by the OS in a VM.
>
> Neat. Did this ever see the light of day?
Well, it was never released as a Connectix product - but Microsoft
did indeed release it, as a freebie even.
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserversystem/virtualserver/default
.aspx
Oh, bleh. I was hoping there was a Mac version :)
From MS?! Not a chance!
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