3 Apr
2002
3 Apr
'02
1:37 p.m.
On Wed, 3 Apr 2002, Douglas H. Quebbeman wrote:
You just have to stand your ground, and say "no thank you".
;)
Now John's doing fine, tho work comes to him
slowly,
Only because most people run the other way upon meeting him ;) and poor Adam
Osborne is slowly dying in a village in
India, from Parkinson's Disease. BTW, I'm told that one
of Adam's expressed wishes is that he be left to go in
peace... Let's all thank him for his efforts and achievements,
and wish him a Happy Journey into the hereafter.
Wow, that sucks. I hadn't heard this. Any references? Why
a village in India? 
3 Apr
3 Apr
7:41 p.m.
On Wed, 3 Apr
2002, Douglas H. Quebbeman wrote:
You just have to stand your ground, and say "no thank you".
;)
Now John's doing fine, tho work comes to him
slowly,
Only because most people run the other way upon meeting him ;) and poor
Adam Osborne is slowly dying in a village in
India, from Parkinson's Disease. BTW, I'm told that one
of Adam's expressed wishes is that he be left to go in
peace... Let's all thank him for his efforts and achievements,
and wish him a Happy Journey into the hereafter.
Wow, that sucks. I hadn't heard this. Any references? Why
a village in India? 
8:48 p.m.
On Wed, 3 Apr 2002, William R. Buckley wrote:
I once met John Draper at a Hackers Conference. He
did not seem
that bad a person to know. What is it about him that others on
this list find undesireable?
Perhaps it's his penchant for asking young hacker boys to come home with
him and "share massages" so that he would feel comfortable discussing his
past with them.
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4 Apr
4 Apr
5 a.m.
At 07:48 AM 4/4/2002 +0000, Sellam Ismail wrote:
Perhaps it's his penchant for asking young hacker
boys to come home with
him and "share massages" so that he would feel comfortable discussing his
past with them.
For me as young cute hacker magazine writer, it was the
invitation / demand that a good time to do the interview
would be while "working out" with him in the hotel gym.
No other time would work. I declined...
- John
6:09 a.m.
John Foust wrote:
At 07:48 AM 4/4/2002 +0000, Sellam Ismail wrote:
When I was much younger, there was a certain notorious local theater
director who had a penchant for grabbing your ass when you weren't
looking, and asking you to come over to his place to "read Shakespeare".
How he managed not to get a busted nose I'm not quite sure, but I
managed to dodge his attentions, without losing any interest in
literature, either.
What I said in my other message still goes, in any case.
jbdigriz
Perhaps it's his penchant for asking young
hacker boys to come home with
him and "share massages" so that he would feel comfortable discussing his
past with them.
For me as young cute hacker magazine writer, it was the
invitation / demand that a good time to do the interview
would be while "working out" with him in the hotel gym.
No other time would work. I declined...
- John
9:06 p.m.
>Perhaps it's his penchant for asking young
hacker boys to come home with
>him and "share massages" so that he would feel comfortable discussing his
>past with them.
For me as young cute hacker magazine writer, it was
the
invitation / demand that a good time to do the interview
would be while "working out" with him in the hotel gym.
No other time would work. I declined...
Well, either I was just not cute enough to get, or not
fluent enough in English to understand such an offer
when he stayed with us.
<G>
Now, thinking again, maybe one of my friends was cuter
and stole him from me ... theese Bastards !
</G>
SCNR - I'd considere him just average weired, and I know
a lot more people where I would deny that I know em. His
personal pleasures are his business, and I still can say
no. Well, blame it on my low moral values, I'm European.
TBOTA - He did some stuff wich is OT to this list because
of the historic relevance.
Gruss
H.
P.S.:After all, I like back rubs too ... my only fault is
that I'd rather let some 20 year old girls do the job...
--
VCF Europa 3.0 am 27./28. April 2002 in Muenchen
http://www.vcfe.org/
5:02 a.m.
William R. Buckley wrote:
I once met John Draper at a Hackers Conference. He did not seem
that bad a person to know. What is it about him that others on
this list find undesireable?
William R. Buckley
Why do people not like, say, Jim Goad, when they revere a lovable old
"misanthrope" like H.L. Mencken or Mr. Clemens?
I don't know John, but I think Doug covered this one pretty well
already. He's an ex-con. In our culture, even just being accused of a
crime is a big sign plastered to your back, saying, justly or not, "I am
a loser." If you maintain your innocence, or unrepentence, or even just
your worth as a human being, you can also very easily wave that sign in
people's faces, if you aren't very careful. Not saying that it isn't
worthwhile. Just that there's a stigma there, one which most people fear
is contagious, and may well be in some cases. Which is not an accident,
nor benign, but we are off-topic enough here, so I won't go into that.
As an aside, I would recommend people add "Papillon" to their reading
lists along with "1984", "Fahrenheit 451", and the tech manuals.
Especially pay attention to the part about the leper colony.
jbdigriz
3 Apr
3 Apr
11:22 p.m.
On Thu, 4 Apr 2002, James B. DiGriz wrote:
I don't know John, but I think Doug covered this
one pretty well
already. He's an ex-con. In our culture, even just being accused of a
crime is a big sign plastered to your back, saying, justly or not, "I am
a loser." If you maintain your innocence, or unrepentence, or even just
your worth as a human being, you can also very easily wave that sign in
people's faces, if you aren't very careful. Not saying that it isn't
worthwhile. Just that there's a stigma there, one which most people fear
is contagious, and may well be in some cases. Which is not an accident,
nor benign, but we are off-topic enough here, so I won't go into that.
One's impression of John Draper has nothing at all to do with this. It's
more of his creepy propensity to hit on anything with two legs (generally)
within eyesight.
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4 Apr
4 Apr
8 a.m.
Sellam Ismail wrote:
On Thu, 4 Apr 2002, James B. DiGriz wrote:
Didn't know, Sellam. I have followed the "Cap'n Crunch" legend over the
years, but nothing I'd read indicated anything like that. If it's going
to be a topic of discussion, accurate information is better than what
could be confused with malicious gossip or worse, so I thank you for
providing the facts, and I think we are all quite adequately informed at
this point.
jbdigriz
I don't know John, but I think Doug covered
this one pretty well
already. He's an ex-con. In our culture, even just being accused of a
crime is a big sign plastered to your back, saying, justly or not, "I am
a loser." If you maintain your innocence, or unrepentence, or even just
your worth as a human being, you can also very easily wave that sign in
people's faces, if you aren't very careful. Not saying that it isn't
worthwhile. Just that there's a stigma there, one which most people fear
is contagious, and may well be in some cases. Which is not an accident,
nor benign, but we are off-topic enough here, so I won't go into that.
One's impression of John Draper has nothing at all to do with this. It's
more of his creepy propensity to hit on anything with two legs (generally)
within eyesight.
Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival
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8:23 a.m.
One's impression of John Draper has nothing at all
to do with this. It's
more of his creepy propensity to hit on anything with two legs (generally)
within eyesight.
Sellam Ismail
Interestingly enough, I saw none of this behavior at the Hackers Conference.
Still, I have heard rumors of John's associations with WOZ, that WOZ used to
ride Johns back (like a child riding horsey). Ah well, genius often is
accompanied by some kind of bizarre behaviour. Mine is collecting old
mainframes.
William R. Buckley, Director Emeritus
International Core Wars Society
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dquebbeman＠acm.org -
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Hans.Franke＠mch20.sbs.de -
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jfoust＠threedee.com