9 Feb
2016
9 Feb
'16
1:23 a.m.
I'm looking for an IBM 3290 to complement my z800 mainframe and third party
3174-22L establishment controller. I can't imagine these were particularly
rare, but am sure many of them have been destroyed in the waning years
since it takes special equipment/know how/desire to even use. Any leads on
on for a reasonable price?
Regards,
Kevin
9 Feb
9 Feb
2:13 a.m.
The 3290 plasma panel? It's not for sale but I do have one - and more
importantly the critical DSL diskette the 3174 needs in order for it
to work. It's the only one I've ever seen' good luck; you'll need it!
If you do get one and need the DSL code let me know and we'll work
something out.
Funny you should mention that; I just tried to fire it up for the
first time in... at least 5 years I think - just last week. SMPSU
issues; the PSU starts and immediately shuts down - whether or not
there's a load on it. Dunno if it's crowbarring or what. Thing is in
bits on the bench right now. I have no schematics so don't anticipate
a quick fix. Also it's a 3rd party PSU IBM bought in - made in China
IIRC.
Mike
On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 10:23 PM, Kevin Bowling <kevin.bowling at kev009.com> wrote:
I'm looking for an IBM 3290 to complement my z800
mainframe and third party
3174-22L establishment controller. I can't imagine these were particularly
rare, but am sure many of them have been destroyed in the waning years
since it takes special equipment/know how/desire to even use. Any leads on
on for a reasonable price?
Regards,
Kevin
--
http://www.corestore.org
'No greater love hath a man than he lay down his life for his brother.
Not for millions, not for glory, not for fame.
For one person, in the dark, where no one will ever know or see.'
5:07 a.m.
tis 2016-02-09 klockan 23:13 +1300 skrev Mike Ross:
The 3290 plasma panel? It's not for sale but I do
have one - and more
importantly the critical DSL diskette the 3174 needs in order for it
to work. It's the only one I've ever seen' good luck; you'll need it!
If you do get one and need the DSL code let me know and we'll work
something out.
Funny you should mention that; I just tried to fire it up for the
first time in... at least 5 years I think - just last week. SMPSU
issues; the PSU starts and immediately shuts down - whether or not
there's a load on it. Dunno if it's crowbarring or what. Thing is in
bits on the bench right now. I have no schematics so don't anticipate
a quick fix. Also it's a 3rd party PSU IBM bought in - made in China
IIRC.
China = Taiwan ?
The other China = People Republic of China
How did US companies in the 3290 time frame labeled imports from
China/Taiwan/PRC ?
9:09 a.m.
The controller Kevin has is a Memorex/Telex (well the firm that they became) so the 3174
DSL Microcode may not be appropriate. If I remember properly the Memorex/Telex units also
wanted 3.5" diskettes...
Dave
G4UGM
-----Original Message-----
From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Mike Ross
Sent: 09 February 2016 10:13
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
<cctalk at classiccmp.org>
Subject: Re: IBM 3290 terminal
The 3290 plasma panel? It's not for sale but I do have one - and more
importantly the critical DSL diskette the 3174 needs in order for it to work. It's
the only one I've ever seen' good luck; you'll need it!
If you do get one and need the DSL code let me know and we'll work
something out.
Funny you should mention that; I just tried to fire it up for the first time in...
at least 5 years I think - just last week. SMPSU issues; the PSU starts and
immediately shuts down - whether or not there's a load on it. Dunno if it's
crowbarring or what. Thing is in bits on the bench right now. I have no
schematics so don't anticipate a quick fix. Also it's a 3rd party PSU IBM bought
in - made in China IIRC.
Mike
On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 10:23 PM, Kevin Bowling
<kevin.bowling at kev009.com> wrote:
I'm looking for an IBM 3290 to complement my
z800 mainframe and third
party 3174-22L establishment controller. I can't imagine these were
particularly rare, but am sure many of them have been destroyed in the
waning years since it takes special equipment/know how/desire to even
use. Any leads on on for a reasonable price?
Regards,
Kevin
--
http://www.corestore.org
'No greater love hath a man than he lay down his life for his brother.
Not for millions, not for glory, not for fame.
For one person, in the dark, where no one will ever know or see.'
12:08 p.m.
It's 100% compatible to 3174, it just sends a bitstream down to the
terminal. If somebody can send me the image that may help eventually.
On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 10:09 AM, Dave Wade <dave.g4ugm at gmail.com> wrote:
The controller Kevin has is a Memorex/Telex (well the
firm that they
became) so the 3174 DSL Microcode may not be appropriate. If I remember
properly the Memorex/Telex units also wanted 3.5" diskettes...
Dave
G4UGM
-----Original Message-----
From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Mike
Ross
Sent: 09 February 2016 10:13
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
<cctalk at classiccmp.org>
Subject: Re: IBM 3290 terminal
The 3290 plasma panel? It's not for sale but I do have one - and more
importantly the critical DSL diskette the 3174 needs in order for it to
work.
It's
the only one I've ever seen' good luck;
you'll need it!
If you do get one and need the DSL code let me know and we'll work
something out.
Funny you should mention that; I just tried to fire it up for the first
time
in...
at least 5 years I think - just last week. SMPSU
issues; the PSU starts
and
immediately shuts down - whether or not
there's a load on it. Dunno if
it's
crowbarring or what. Thing is in bits on the
bench right now. I have no
schematics so don't anticipate a quick fix. Also it's a 3rd party PSU
IBM
bought
in - made in China IIRC.
Mike
On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 10:23 PM, Kevin Bowling
<kevin.bowling at kev009.com> wrote:
I'm looking for an IBM 3290 to complement my
z800 mainframe and third
party 3174-22L establishment controller. I can't imagine these were
particularly rare, but am sure many of them have been destroyed in the
waning years since it takes special equipment/know how/desire to even
use. Any leads on on for a reasonable price?
Regards,
Kevin
--
http://www.corestore.org
'No greater love hath a man than he lay down his life for his brother.
Not for millions, not for glory, not for fame.
For one person, in the dark, where no one will ever know or see.'
12:33 p.m.
Imaging the thing will be extremely tricky; the 3174 uses 2.4MB
floppies which I don't think are used *anywhere* else; you can't just
pull the drive out of the 3174 and throw it on a PC because the BIOS
won't have a clue about 2.4MB 5 1/4" disks; people have tried that
approach before. And the code doesn't allow you to format a blank
floppy; you have to use IBM pre-formatted disks. You can copy the code
from one disk to another.
But the easiest way would be to do what Guy has done; take a 3174 with
a hard disk and replace the disk with an MFM emulator. You *can* copy
the 3290 DSL code from a floppy to a hard disk and run it from
there... does your Memorex device have a hard disk? If not I would
suggest obtaining a 3174 with a hard disk as a first step; they're
relatively plentiful and cheap and you WILL want it to avoid dealing
with the hassles of flaky floppy hardware. In fact I would suggest
obtaining one anyway; no reason to mess around with a non-standard
Memorex when 'everyone else' is using real 3174s...
Mike
On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 9:08 AM, Kevin Bowling <kevin.bowling at kev009.com> wrote:
It's 100% compatible to 3174, it just sends a
bitstream down to the
terminal. If somebody can send me the image that may help eventually.
On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 10:09 AM, Dave Wade <dave.g4ugm at gmail.com> wrote:
> The controller Kevin has is a Memorex/Telex (well the firm that they
> became) so the 3174 DSL Microcode may not be appropriate. If I remember
> properly the Memorex/Telex units also wanted 3.5" diskettes...
>
> Dave
> G4UGM
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Mike
> Ross
> > Sent: 09 February 2016 10:13
> > To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
> > <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
> > Subject: Re: IBM 3290 terminal
> >
> > The 3290 plasma panel? It's not for sale but I do have one - and more
> > importantly the critical DSL diskette the 3174 needs in order for it to
> work. It's
> > the only one I've ever seen' good luck; you'll need it!
> > If you do get one and need the DSL code let me know and we'll work
> > something out.
> >
> > Funny you should mention that; I just tried to fire it up for the first
> time in...
> > at least 5 years I think - just last week. SMPSU issues; the PSU starts
> and
> > immediately shuts down - whether or not there's a load on it. Dunno if
> it's
> > crowbarring or what. Thing is in bits on the bench right now. I have no
> > schematics so don't anticipate a quick fix. Also it's a 3rd party PSU
> IBM bought
> > in - made in China IIRC.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 10:23 PM, Kevin Bowling
> > <kevin.bowling at kev009.com> wrote:
> > > I'm looking for an IBM 3290 to complement my z800 mainframe and third
> > > party 3174-22L establishment controller. I can't imagine these were
> > > particularly rare, but am sure many of them have been destroyed in the
> > > waning years since it takes special equipment/know how/desire to even
> > > use. Any leads on on for a reasonable price?
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Kevin
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > http://www.corestore.org
> > 'No greater love hath a man than he lay down his life for his brother.
> > Not for millions, not for glory, not for fame.
> > For one person, in the dark, where no one will ever know or see.'
>
>
--
http://www.corestore.org
'No greater love hath a man than he lay down his life for his brother.
Not for millions, not for glory, not for fame.
For one person, in the dark, where no one will ever know or see.'
2:21 p.m.
It does have HD, it's a really nice unit
https://twitter.com/kevinbowling1/status/696944481023741952. It can load
data from a 3.5" floppy, but I will need to get the file on to it somehow.
I will contact the company and see what they recommend, it must have been a
common operating mod so I'm not sure it isn't preloaded. I would still
entertain a real 3174-22L at the right price.
Regards,
On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 1:33 PM, Mike Ross <tmfdmike at gmail.com> wrote:
Imaging the thing will be extremely tricky; the 3174
uses 2.4MB
floppies which I don't think are used *anywhere* else; you can't just
pull the drive out of the 3174 and throw it on a PC because the BIOS
won't have a clue about 2.4MB 5 1/4" disks; people have tried that
approach before. And the code doesn't allow you to format a blank
floppy; you have to use IBM pre-formatted disks. You can copy the code
from one disk to another.
But the easiest way would be to do what Guy has done; take a 3174 with
a hard disk and replace the disk with an MFM emulator. You *can* copy
the 3290 DSL code from a floppy to a hard disk and run it from
there... does your Memorex device have a hard disk? If not I would
suggest obtaining a 3174 with a hard disk as a first step; they're
relatively plentiful and cheap and you WILL want it to avoid dealing
with the hassles of flaky floppy hardware. In fact I would suggest
obtaining one anyway; no reason to mess around with a non-standard
Memorex when 'everyone else' is using real 3174s...
Mike
On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 9:08 AM, Kevin Bowling <kevin.bowling at kev009.com>
wrote:
It's 100% compatible to 3174, it just sends a
bitstream down to the
terminal. If somebody can send me the image that may help eventually.
On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 10:09 AM, Dave Wade <dave.g4ugm at gmail.com> wrote:
> The controller Kevin has is a Memorex/Telex (well the firm that they
> became) so the 3174 DSL Microcode may not be appropriate. If I remember
> properly the Memorex/Telex units also wanted 3.5" diskettes...
>
> Dave
> G4UGM
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Mike
> Ross
> > Sent: 09 February 2016 10:13
> > To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
> > <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
> > Subject: Re: IBM 3290 terminal
> >
> > The 3290 plasma panel? It's not for sale but I do have one - and more
> > importantly the critical DSL diskette the 3174 needs in order for it
to
> work. It's
> > the only one I've ever seen' good luck; you'll need it!
> > If you do get one and need the DSL code let me know and we'll work
> > something out.
> >
> > Funny you should mention that; I just tried to fire it up for the
first
> time in...
> > at least 5 years I think - just last week. SMPSU issues; the PSU
starts
> and
> > immediately shuts down - whether or not there's a load on it. Dunno if
> it's
> > crowbarring or what. Thing is in bits on the bench right now. I have
no
> > schematics so don't anticipate a
quick fix. Also it's a 3rd party PSU
> IBM bought
> > in - made in China IIRC.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 10:23 PM, Kevin Bowling
> > <kevin.bowling at kev009.com> wrote:
> > > I'm looking for an IBM 3290 to complement my z800 mainframe and
third
> > > party 3174-22L establishment
controller. I can't imagine these were
> > > particularly rare, but am sure many of them have been destroyed in
the
> > > waning years since it takes special
equipment/know how/desire to
even
> > > use. Any leads on on for a
reasonable price?
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Kevin
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > http://www.corestore.org
> > 'No greater love hath a man than he lay down his life for his brother.
> > Not for millions, not for glory, not for fame.
> > For one person, in the dark, where no one will ever know or see.'
>
>
--
http://www.corestore.org
'No greater love hath a man than he lay down his life for his brother.
Not for millions, not for glory, not for fame.
For one person, in the dark, where no one will ever know or see.'
4:11 p.m.
It is not 100% compatible with a 3174, it does not run 3174 microcode, it will not accept
3174 config files. It has 3.5" disk drives. IMHO that?s not 100% compatible.
It does look like a 3714 to the mainframe and so the mainframe can't tell the
difference.
That?s not to say its not possible to load the 3190 DSL code BUT the Memorex controllers
were often used with Memorex Telex terminals (I have one here) so it may be 3190 DSL
doesn't.
On the other hand I would expect it to support 317x Graphics terminals which also had a
DSL disk so there is hope...
Dave
-----Original Message-----
From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Kevin
Bowling
Sent: 09 February 2016 20:09
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
<cctalk at classiccmp.org>
Subject: Re: IBM 3290 terminal
It's 100% compatible to 3174, it just sends a bitstream down to the terminal.
If somebody can send me the image that may help eventually.
On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 10:09 AM, Dave Wade <dave.g4ugm at gmail.com>
wrote:
The controller Kevin has is a Memorex/Telex (well
the firm that they
became) so the 3174 DSL Microcode may not be appropriate. If I
remember properly the Memorex/Telex units also wanted 3.5" diskettes...
Dave
G4UGM
reasonable
price?
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Kevin
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > http://www.corestore.org
> > 'No greater love hath a man than he lay down his life for his brother.
> > Not for millions, not for glory, not for fame.
> > For one person, in the dark, where no one will ever know or see.'
>
> -----Original Message-----
From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of
Mike
Ross
Sent: 09 February 2016 10:13
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
<cctalk at classiccmp.org>
Subject: Re: IBM 3290 terminal
The 3290 plasma panel? It's not for sale but I do have one - and
more importantly the critical DSL diskette the 3174 needs in order
for it to
work. It's
the only one I've ever seen' good luck;
you'll need it!
If you do get one and need the DSL code let me know and we'll work
something out.
Funny you should mention that; I just tried to fire it up for the
first
time in...
at least 5 years I think - just last week. SMPSU
issues; the PSU
starts
and
immediately shuts down - whether or not
there's a load on it. Dunno
if
it's
crowbarring or what. Thing is in bits on the
bench right now. I have
no schematics so don't anticipate a quick fix. Also it's a 3rd party
PSU
IBM bought
> in - made in China IIRC.
>
> Mike
>
> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 10:23 PM, Kevin Bowling
> <kevin.bowling at kev009.com> wrote:
> > I'm looking for an IBM 3290 to complement my z800 mainframe and
> > third party 3174-22L establishment controller. I can't imagine
> > these were particularly rare, but am sure many of them have been
> > destroyed in the waning years since it takes special
> > equipment/know how/desire to even use. Any leads on on for a
12 Feb
12 Feb
9:26 p.m.
Thanks for your opinion on compatibility. I talked to a friend that is a
career IBMer and learned the support disks are 1.2MB floppies that go in
the 2nd drive and are trivially created and imaged with PC/AT drives.
Regards,
Kevin
On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 5:11 PM, Dave Wade <dave.g4ugm at gmail.com> wrote:
It is not 100% compatible with a 3174, it does not run
3174 microcode, it
will not accept 3174 config files. It has 3.5" disk drives. IMHO that?s not
100% compatible.
It does look like a 3714 to the mainframe and so the mainframe can't tell
the difference.
That?s not to say its not possible to load the 3190 DSL code BUT the
Memorex controllers were often used with Memorex Telex terminals (I have
one here) so it may be 3190 DSL doesn't.
On the other hand I would expect it to support 317x Graphics terminals
which also had a DSL disk so there is hope...
Dave
-----Original Message-----
From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Kevin
Bowling
Sent: 09 February 2016 20:09
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
<cctalk at classiccmp.org>
Subject: Re: IBM 3290 terminal
It's 100% compatible to 3174, it just sends a bitstream down to the
terminal.
If somebody can send me the image that may help
eventually.
On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 10:09 AM, Dave Wade <dave.g4ugm at gmail.com>
wrote:
brother.
The controller Kevin has is a Memorex/Telex (well
the firm that they
became) so the 3174 DSL Microcode may not be appropriate. If I
remember properly the Memorex/Telex units also wanted 3.5" diskettes...
Dave
G4UGM
reasonable
price?
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Kevin
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > http://www.corestore.org
> > 'No greater love hath a man than he lay down his life for his -----Original Message-----
From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of
Mike
Ross
Sent: 09 February 2016 10:13
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
<cctalk at classiccmp.org>
Subject: Re: IBM 3290 terminal
The 3290 plasma panel? It's not for sale but I do have one - and
more importantly the critical DSL diskette the 3174 needs in order
for it to
work. It's
the only one I've ever seen' good luck;
you'll need it!
If you do get one and need the DSL code let me know and we'll work
something out.
Funny you should mention that; I just tried to fire it up for the
first
time in...
at least 5 years I think - just last week. SMPSU
issues; the PSU
starts
and
immediately shuts down - whether or not
there's a load on it. Dunno
if
it's
crowbarring or what. Thing is in bits on the
bench right now. I have
no schematics so don't anticipate a quick fix. Also it's a 3rd party
PSU
IBM bought
> in - made in China IIRC.
>
> Mike
>
> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 10:23 PM, Kevin Bowling
> <kevin.bowling at kev009.com> wrote:
> > I'm looking for an IBM 3290 to complement my z800 mainframe and
> > third party 3174-22L establishment controller. I can't imagine
> > these were particularly rare, but am sure many of them have been
> > destroyed in the waning years since it takes special
> > equipment/know how/desire to even use. Any leads on on for a > > Not for millions, not for glory, not
for fame.
> > For one person, in the dark, where no one will ever know or see.'
>
>
13 Feb
13 Feb
7:31 a.m.
-----Original Message-----
From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Kevin
Bowling
Sent: 13 February 2016 05:26
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
<cctalk at classiccmp.org>
Subject: Re: IBM 3290 terminal
Thanks for your opinion on compatibility. I talked to a friend that is a career
IBMer and learned the support disks are 1.2MB floppies that go in the 2nd
drive and are trivially created and imaged with PC/AT drives.
Can you just copy them to a 1.44 3.5" disk then and pop in the Memorex. I know the
Memorex Disks are DOS compatible as I have some but the controller they went with was long
gone when I acquired them...
Regards,
Kevin
Dave
G4UGM
9 Feb
9 Feb
5:27 a.m.
3290's are not super common. They do seem to be more common than 3270/3278/3279's
though.
Someone in this thread mentioned the microcode floppies for the 3174. When getting mine
running, the software was tied to the hardware so it was free. I just called up IBM and
they shipped me a full set - in duplicate (one for master, one set for running). I've
no idea if they still provide it though.
J
9:26 a.m.
On Feb 9, 2016, at 1:23 AM, Kevin Bowling
<kevin.bowling at kev009.com> wrote:
I'm looking for an IBM 3290 to complement my z800 mainframe and third party
3174-22L establishment controller. I can't imagine these were particularly
rare, but am sure many of them have been destroyed in the waning years
since it takes special equipment/know how/desire to even use. Any leads on
on for a reasonable price?
If you want ?real? terminals to hook up to it (yea, I know IBM 3290?s are cool)
the easiest terminals to find are the IBM 3178/3179. Usually you?ll be able to
get the display and then have to hunt a keyboard (but it?s the IBM standard
keyboard with the 5-pin DIN connector?any of those should work). Folks have
(unfortunately) figured out that they can get more for the keyboard than the
terminal.
TTFN - Guy
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