16 Apr
2013
16 Apr
'13
6:27 a.m.
I've got my dot-matrix printer yesterday, I tried it today
its a PANASONIC KX-P1121E[1], I got it from ebay[2]
i've only tried it on my windows XP system (please shot me :) )
after seeing the text quality, I am thinking abandoning my inkjet printer for text-only
documents
the halftoning is visible when printing out pictures, but that's why i bought it
?
[1] http://panasonic.net/pcc/products/printer/kx-p1121e_plus/index.html
[2] http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/281043814175
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16 Apr
16 Apr
9:48 a.m.
Are you new to dot matrix printers? At least you got a 24-pin, instead of a
9-pin.
Does yours have a serial port, or only the parallel port?
The dot matrix printers are usually rugged, and will last many years with
good care.
Yours has NLQ, or Near-Letter-Quality, which some institutions would not
accept.
You had to go with laser or daisy wheel, which actually produces beautiful
letter quality.
One word of caution: do NOT use petroleum jelly to lubricate the bars the
printhead travels on!
Radio Shack sells a very good tube called Lube Gel which works great, and
does not get gummy.
Cindy Croxton
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Subject: got my dot-matrix printer
I've got my dot-matrix printer yesterday, I tried it today its a PANASONIC
KX-P1121E[1], I got it from ebay[2] i've only tried it on my windows XP
system (please shot me :) )
after seeing the text quality, I am thinking abandoning my inkjet printer
for text-only documents the halftoning is visible when printing out
pictures, but that's why i bought it
?
[1] http://panasonic.net/pcc/products/printer/kx-p1121e_plus/index.html
[2] http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/281043814175
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1:44 p.m.
On 04/16/2013 06:27 AM, Tom Sparks wrote:
I've got my dot-matrix printer yesterday, I tried
it today
its a PANASONIC KX-P1121E[1], I got it from ebay[2]
i've only tried it on my windows XP system (please shot me :) )
Nice! Panasonic makes EXCELLENT impact printers. ~25 years ago, I bought
a KX-P1124 on the "payroll deduction plan" at work. (we were a dealer) It was
an amazingly good printer, plastic case but indestructible, and great output.
I sold it eons ago, but I was given another one recently, and got all
nostalgic about it. :) Congrats on a good printer. If their new ones are as
good as their old ones (and in their case, they may very well be!), you'll
have good luck with it.
after seeing the text quality, I am thinking
abandoning my inkjet printer for text-only documents
the halftoning is visible when printing out pictures, but that's why i bought it
Consumer-grade ink jet printers are rarely a good solution for *anything*.
-Dave
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New Kensington, PA
2:02 p.m.
On Apr 16, 2013, at 1:44 PM, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote:
And they're an especially poor solution for text, given how expensive
inkjet ink is compared to toner or (easily-refillable) ribbon ink.
My consumer-grade inkjet printer is used almost exclusively as a
scanner. It's not a very good one, but it was free and it fits on
top of my file cabinet. The printing portion is always spuriously
reporting that it's out of ink or that the (genuine HP) cartridge
is not a genuine HP cartridge. When it's not doing that, it'll
only actually pick up the paper one time out of three. As it
turns out, I never need to print color, and if I need to print
photos, the local pharmacy has a better photo printer than I could
hope to own.
- Dave
after seeing
the text quality, I am thinking abandoning my inkjet printer for text-only documents
the halftoning is visible when printing out pictures, but that's why i bought it
Consumer-grade ink jet printers are rarely a good solution for *anything*. 
3:16 p.m.
On 04/16/2013 11:02 AM, David Riley wrote:
And they're an especially poor solution for text,
given how expensive
inkjet ink is compared to toner or (easily-refillable) ribbon ink.
King Camp Gillette's "give them the razor, but sell them the blades"
philosophy at work, although he certainly didn't invent it. Indeed,
I've seen inkjet printers selling for less than the cost of a
replacement cartridge. Modern laser printers are likewise often sold
with a half-full (or less) toner cartridge.
Of course, now we trade in wholly-disposable razors, complete with
blade. I use the double-edged safety razor that I used when I started
shaving. Thank heavens one can still find double-edged blades for sale.
Grandpa used a straight razor and strop, but I haven't the courage to go
that route, bleary-eyed as I am in the morning...
--Chuck
4:08 p.m.
On Apr 16, 2013, at 3:16 PM, Chuck Guzis <cclist at sydex.com> wrote:
On 04/16/2013 11:02 AM, David Riley wrote:
Gillette definitely still does that. They sent me a Mach 3 right around
the time I turned 18 (not as long ago as some on this list :-). It was
actually a little creepy, since I hadn't had any business with them
before, but I guess they Just Know?
In any case, it worked, because I still use the same razor more than 10
years later. Schick sent me a coupon for a free razor a few months ago
and I figured I'd try it out, but their strategy backfired; it gave me
the opportunity to discover that their razors are absolute garbage that
literally fall apart and leave junk (the "moisturizing strip") on your
face.
I'm tempted to try double-bladed razors, since the blades are quite a
bit cheaper than the Mach 3 ones, but so far I've been too lazy. I did
find a local purveyor of proper cakes of shaving soap, but that's what
comes of living around hipsters. :-)
And they're an especially poor solution for
text, given how expensive
inkjet ink is compared to toner or (easily-refillable) ribbon ink.
King Camp Gillette's "give them the razor, but sell them the blades"
philosophy at work, although he certainly didn't invent it. Indeed, I've seen
inkjet printers selling for less than the cost of a replacement cartridge. Modern laser
printers are likewise often sold with a half-full (or less) toner cartridge.
Of course, now we trade in wholly-disposable razors, complete with blade. I use the
double-edged safety razor that I used when I started shaving. Thank heavens one can still
find double-edged blades for sale. Grandpa used a straight razor and strop, but I
haven't the courage to go that route, bleary-eyed as I am in the morning...
I'm just worried my 18-month-old daughter would find it and we'd have a
reenactment of Sweeney Todd.
- Dave
6:04 p.m.
On 04/16/2013 01:08 PM, David Riley wrote:
I'm tempted to try double-bladed razors, since the
blades are quite a
bit cheaper than the Mach 3 ones, but so far I've been too lazy. I did
find a local purveyor of proper cakes of shaving soap, but that's what
comes of living around hipsters. :-)
I do use shaving soap--it has a very different texture than out-of-a-can
shaving gel that I like very much. I finish up with a dash of witch hazel.
I'm just worried my 18-month-old daughter would
find it and we'd have a
reenactment of Sweeney Todd.
Grandpa had a strict rule that *nobody* but *nobody* touched his razor.
Who knows, it might not work the same way if you borrowed it to, oh,
say, peel potatoes...
--Chuck
17 Apr
17 Apr
2:37 a.m.
On Tue, 16 Apr 2013, Chuck Guzis wrote:
On 04/16/2013 01:08 PM, David Riley wrote:
You might enjoy some old-fashioned homemade bay rum lotion. Look around
on the wet-shaving forums.
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I'm tempted to try double-bladed razors,
since the blades are quite a
bit cheaper than the Mach 3 ones, but so far I've been too lazy. I did
find a local purveyor of proper cakes of shaving soap, but that's what
comes of living around hipsters. :-)
I do use shaving soap--it has a very different texture than out-of-a-can
shaving gel that I like very much. I finish up with a dash of witch hazel. 
9:03 p.m.
On 4/17/2013 2:37 AM, David Griffith wrote:
You might enjoy some old-fashioned homemade bay rum
lotion. Look around
on the wet-shaving forums.
This is the same stuff Fred Flintstone and Barney Rubble sing about in
the cartoons, if I'm not mistaken.
"Shave and a haircut, bay rum"
http://dan.hersam.com/2004/09/21/shave-and-a-haircut-two-bits/
with the comments being more interesting than the post, perhaps...
Completely OT of course
18 Apr
18 Apr
12:04 a.m.
On 04/17/2013 06:03 PM, Keith Monahan wrote:
"Shave and a haircut, bay rum"
I also learned it as "Shave and a haircut, two bits", but it's been a
long time since anyone could get a shave and a haircut for 25 cents. 25
dollars is more like it.
I'd thought that bay rum had gone the way of Lydia Pinkham's but a quick
check on eBay shows that it's still being sold. Maybe I'll spring for a
bottle. I always did like the smell.
"Get Wildroot cream oil, Charlie,
It keeps your hair in trim..."
--Chuck
8:11 p.m.
On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 02:02:44PM -0400, David Riley wrote:
And they're an especially poor solution for text,
given how expensive
inkjet ink is compared to toner or (easily-refillable) ribbon ink.
Seriously! I have a pair of DEC LA95s that I bought over ten years ago
(Jameco was dumping them cheap -- I got a third as a spare but have
never even opened the box since other than popping the 160 uF caps in
the PSUs the first two have been bulletproof), which I use for printing
mailing labels and diskette labels. A year or two ago I bought a wad of
spare ribbons just because I couldn't believe someone was still selling
them new, but I don't know why because the original 1990s ribbons are
still going strong...
Last time I looked there was at least one vendor online still selling
brand-new bulk ribbon (for you to wind yourself onto the old spools) so
there's still a fallback for TTYs or LA30s/LA36s/LA120s/etc. when the
ribbons finally get too tattered to re-ink.
John Wilson
D Bit
8:26 p.m.
On Apr 16, 2013, at 8:11 PM, John Wilson wrote:
On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 02:02:44PM -0400, David Riley
wrote:
People are still selling ribbons for Apple's ImageWriter as well.
That's not *too* surprising, since lots of businesses still want
impact printers for multipart forms, and at least the original
ImageWriter (I don't know about the II) was a pretty common
C. Itoh mechanism.
In any case, I have three spare ribbons, but the one it came to
me installed with five years ago is still fine for printing the
occasional text. I need to get more tractor feed paper (which,
fortunately, is also still sold, though finding the motivation to
spend $30 on it is harder).
And they're an especially poor solution for
text, given how expensive
inkjet ink is compared to toner or (easily-refillable) ribbon ink.
Seriously! I have a pair of DEC LA95s that I bought over ten years ago
(Jameco was dumping them cheap -- I got a third as a spare but have
never even opened the box since other than popping the 160 uF caps in
the PSUs the first two have been bulletproof), which I use for printing
mailing labels and diskette labels. A year or two ago I bought a wad of
spare ribbons just because I couldn't believe someone was still selling
them new, but I don't know why because the original 1990s ribbons are
still going strong... Last time I looked there was at least one vendor
online still selling
brand-new bulk ribbon (for you to wind yourself onto the old spools) so
there's still a fallback for TTYs or LA30s/LA36s/LA120s/etc. when the
ribbons finally get too tattered to re-ink.
That's pretty spiffy. I imagine it's handy for typewriter
ribbons if they sell the proper width as well.
- Dave
2:39 p.m.
Indeed, I have a KX-P1124 with the 4 color ribbon attachment (which is a
kick to print banners out on for events at this point). I really wish I
had more of a use for it. Great printer, nice output, etc.
Enjoy!
On 04/16/2013 01:44 PM, Dave McGuire wrote:
On 04/16/2013 06:27 AM, Tom Sparks wrote:
I've got my dot-matrix printer yesterday, I
tried it today
its a PANASONIC KX-P1121E[1], I got it from ebay[2]
i've only tried it on my windows XP system (please shot me :) )
Nice!
Panasonic makes EXCELLENT impact printers. ~25 years ago, I bought
a KX-P1124 on the "payroll deduction plan" at work. (we were a dealer) It was
an amazingly good printer, plastic case but indestructible, and great output.
I sold it eons ago, but I was given another one recently, and got all
nostalgic about it. :) Congrats on a good printer. If their new ones are as
good as their old ones (and in their case, they may very well be!), you'll
have good luck with it.
after seeing the text quality, I am thinking
abandoning my inkjet printer for text-only documents
the halftoning is visible when printing out pictures, but that's why i bought it
Consumer-grade ink jet printers are rarely a good solution for *anything*.
-Dave
5:42 p.m.
On 04/16/2013 02:39 PM, Jason Howe wrote:
Indeed, I have a KX-P1124 with the 4 color ribbon
attachment (which is a kick
to print banners out on for events at this point). I really wish I had more
of a use for it. Great printer, nice output, etc.
Enjoy!
Wow, I didn't know there was a multi-color attachment for the 1124, that's
neat!
-Dave
--
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New Kensington, PA
9:36 p.m.
Sorry, I misremembered. I just checked, and I have a KX-P2123, which is
still an amazing printer :) Especially with the 4 color kit KX-PCK11 color kit. I did
some
searching around, but was unable to find a color kit for the 1124, sorry
Dave.
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Sent from Alpine
On Tue, 16 Apr 2013, Dave McGuire wrote:
On 04/16/2013 02:39 PM, Jason Howe wrote:
Indeed, I have a KX-P1124 with the 4 color ribbon
attachment (which is a kick
to print banners out on for events at this point). I really wish I had more
of a use for it. Great printer, nice output, etc.
Enjoy!
Wow, I didn't know there was a multi-color attachment for the 1124, that's
neat!
-Dave
--
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New Kensington, PA
10:20 p.m.
On 04/16/2013 09:36 PM, Jason Howe wrote:
Sorry, I misremembered. I just checked, and I have a
KX-P2123, which is
still an amazing printer :) Especially with the 4 color kit KX-PCK11 color
kit. I did some searching around, but was unable to find a color kit for the
1124, sorry Dave.
Ahh, no worries! Great printers either way.
-Dave
--
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New Kensington, PA
3:10 p.m.
On 04/16/2013 01:44 PM, Dave McGuire wrote:
On 04/16/2013 06:27 AM, Tom Sparks wrote:
I dunno, they're pretty damn good for target practice.
I've got my dot-matrix printer yesterday, I
tried it today
its a PANASONIC KX-P1121E[1], I got it from ebay[2]
i've only tried it on my windows XP system (please shot me :) )
Nice! Panasonic makes EXCELLENT impact printers. ~25 years ago, I bought
a KX-P1124 on the "payroll deduction plan" at work. (we were a dealer) It was
an amazingly good printer, plastic case but indestructible, and great output.
I sold it eons ago, but I was given another one recently, and got all
nostalgic about it. :) Congrats on a good printer. If their new ones are as
good as their old ones (and in their case, they may very well be!), you'll
have good luck with it.
after seeing the text quality, I am thinking
abandoning my inkjet printer for text-only documents
the halftoning is visible when printing out pictures, but that's why i bought it
Consumer-grade ink jet printers are rarely a good solution for *anything*.
-Dave
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4:27 p.m.
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On Behalf Of Alexandre Souza - Listas
Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 2:46 PM
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Subject: Re: got my dot-matrix printer
I dunno, they're pretty damn good for target
practice.
And for getting nice motors, encoders, sensors and SMD parts =)
The robotics clubs love old inkjets and dot matrix and lasers for the gears,
motors, ribbon cables, etc.
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On 04/16/2013 02:45 PM, Alexandre Souza - Listas wrote:
TBH, I've had a few I've acquired just for parts, and there's not a lot of
useful stuff in them - I keep the geartrains, but not much else. Too much
plastic, and too few components (lots of custom silicon) for me to bother
trying to salvage things from the PCBs.
A dot matrix printer would yield far more useful bits and pieces (to me),
but of course I wouldn't dream of tearing one apart! (I've been trying to
find one locally, actually, and they've all vanished)
cheers
Jules
I dunno,
they're pretty damn good for target practice.
And for getting nice motors, encoders, sensors and SMD parts =)
18 Apr
18 Apr
4:06 p.m.
On 04/16/2013 12:44 PM, Dave McGuire wrote:
On 04/16/2013 06:27 AM, Tom Sparks wrote:
In a weird bit of synchronicity, I found a KX-P1123E at the dump earlier
:-) Missing its top cover, but I think it should be [theoretically]
operable without it. The power cord's been lopped off, but that might be as
a result of some H+S worry rather than an indication that there's anything
actually wrong with it.
I don't have any fanfold paper here right now, but I expect I can manually
feed some regular paper and at least verify that the print head is functional.
cheers
Jules
I've got my dot-matrix printer yesterday, I
tried it today
its a PANASONIC KX-P1121E[1], I got it from ebay[2]
i've only tried it on my windows XP system (please shot me :) )
Nice! Panasonic makes EXCELLENT impact printers.
7:02 p.m.
On Apr 18, 2013, at 4:06 PM, Jules Richardson <jules.richardson99 at gmail.com>
wrote:
On 04/16/2013 12:44 PM, Dave McGuire wrote:
Good rescue!
-Dave
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New Kensington, PA
On 04/16/2013 06:27 AM, Tom Sparks wrote:
In a weird bit of synchronicity, I found a KX-P1123E at the dump earlier :-) Missing its
top cover, but I think it should be [theoretically] operable without it. The power
cord's been lopped off, but that might be as a result of some H+S worry rather than an
indication that there's anything actually wrong with it.
I don't have any fanfold paper here right now, but I expect I can manually feed some
regular paper and at least verify that the print head is functional. I've got my dot-matrix printer yesterday, I
tried it today
its a PANASONIC KX-P1121E[1], I got it from ebay[2]
i've only tried it on my windows XP system (please shot me :) )
Nice! Panasonic makes EXCELLENT impact printers.
7:05 p.m.
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From: Jules Richardson <jules.richardson99 at
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To: cctalk at classiccmp.org
Cc:
Sent: Friday, 19 April 2013 6:06 AM
Subject: Re: got my dot-matrix printer
On 04/16/2013 12:44 PM, Dave McGuire wrote:
yes, here are some instructions @ http://www.nefec.org/upm/printers/mpa13.htm
On 04/16/2013 06:27 AM, Tom Sparks wrote:
In a weird bit of synchronicity, I found a KX-P1123E at the dump earlier :-)
Missing its top cover, but I think it should be [theoretically] operable without
it. The power cord's been lopped off, but that might be as a result of some
H+S worry rather than an indication that there's anything actually wrong
with it.
I don't have any fanfold paper here right now, but I expect I can manually
feed some regular paper and at least verify that the print head is functional. I've got my dot-matrix printer yesterday, I
tried it today
its a PANASONIC KX-P1121E[1], I got it from ebay[2]
i've only tried it on my windows XP system (please shot me :) )
? ? Nice!? Panasonic makes EXCELLENT impact printers.
cheers
Jules
tom
7:35 p.m.
On Thu, 18 Apr 2013, Jules Richardson wrote:
On 04/16/2013 12:44 PM, Dave McGuire wrote:
The power supply in these printers is very simple, so even if it isn't
working it shouldn't be that hard to repair. With the US versions of these
printers at least, they just used a plain 3-conductor flat cord with a
NEMA 5-15P plug. Unlike a lot of the later inkjet printers, these printers
don't have a safety switch for the top cover, and while they will work
without one, they will be much, much louder.
Which side of the pond are you on? There is a chance I might still have a
top cover in my box of printer plastics that would work, but I may have
already given them all away (I had several extras at one time). I used to
get a box of this sort of stuff at the end of each of the university
auctions. Both the uni and auction company loved it because they didn't
have to get someone else to throw this stuff out or haul it to the dump.
On 04/16/2013 06:27 AM, Tom Sparks wrote:
In a weird bit of synchronicity, I found a KX-P1123E at the dump earlier
:-) Missing its top cover, but I think it should be [theoretically]
operable without it. The power cord's been lopped off, but that might be
as a result of some H+S worry rather than an indication that there's
anything actually wrong with it.
I don't have any fanfold paper here right now, but I expect I can
manually feed some regular paper and at least verify that the print head
is functional. I've got my dot-matrix printer yesterday, I
tried it today its a
PANASONIC KX-P1121E[1], I got it from ebay[2] i've only tried it on my
windows XP system (please shot me :) )
Nice! Panasonic makes EXCELLENT impact printers. 
16 Apr
16 Apr
3:17 p.m.
Those are good printers. Those and epsons were good consumer grade printers. Citizen on
the other hand... Ugh!
Sent from my iPhone
On Apr 16, 2013, at 5:27 AM, Tom Sparks <tom_a_sparks at yahoo.com.au> wrote:
I've got my dot-matrix printer yesterday, I tried
it today
its a PANASONIC KX-P1121E[1], I got it from ebay[2]
i've only tried it on my windows XP system (please shot me :) )
after seeing the text quality, I am thinking abandoning my inkjet printer for text-only
documents
the halftoning is visible when printing out pictures, but that's why i bought it
[1] http://panasonic.net/pcc/products/printer/kx-p1121e_plus/index.html
[2] http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/281043814175
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On Tue, 16 Apr 2013, Geoff Oltmans wrote:
Those are good printers. Those and epsons were good
consumer grade
printers. Citizen on the other hand... Ugh!
I miss the Star NX-1000 I had. Nice printer. No clue what happened to
it. Probably lost it in the move along with my much-missed Royal
AlphaTronic system)
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17 Apr
3:44 p.m.
On Tue, 16 Apr 2013, geneb wrote:
On Tue, 16 Apr 2013, Geoff Oltmans wrote:
Ah, but the NX-1000 are only 9-pin and very /slow/. I still own two, one
of the plain NX-1000s and one of the color versions (NS-1000 Plus?)
For standard black only use, I found I tended to prefer the Panasonic
KX-P1123/1124 (24-pin) which was both fast and fairly quiet. The KX-P1180
(9-pin) was also a workhorse but much louder and slower. The
1123/1124/1080 all support a serial option, which to me was very useful,
but the add-on board would probably be very difficult to find today. I do
have one of the color KX-P2123 printers, but have never used it much.
Epson's LQ-570/570 Plus/870 series is also fairly decent, although I did
manage to wear out the carriage motor in a LQ-570 once (the sleeve
bearings in the stepper motor completely wore out). I'd have replaced the
bearings in the motor instead of paying ~$60+ for the whole motor except
someone who thought they knew better than me took a punch to the motor's
housing and destroyed it while trying to "tighten up" the bearings. Sigh.
Still, nothing beats an older model Oikdata.
Those are good printers. Those and epsons were
good consumer grade
printers. Citizen on the other hand... Ugh!
I miss the Star NX-1000 I had. Nice printer. No clue what happened to
it. Probably lost it in the move along with my much-missed Royal
AlphaTronic system) 
3:53 p.m.
Those are good printers. Those and epsons were good consumer grade
printers. Citizen on the other hand... Ugh!
I'll stick to my pair of Sanders printers. The 12/7 is built liek a tank.
All metal, even the casing. I think the only plastic bits other than
electricla insuators (conencotr/switch housings, etc) are the PTFE slidew
bearings for the carriage.
Teh 700 is perhaps not _quite_ so solid. It's a Daiblo 630 chassis fitted
with a dot matrix head. And the cover is plastic. But it's still a lot
better than soem I could name.
Pity there's no way yto print graphics on them.
-tony
9:28 p.m.
On 04/17/2013 12:53 PM, Tony Duell wrote:
Teh 700 is perhaps not _quite_ so solid. It's a
Daiblo 630 chassis fitted
with a dot matrix head. And the cover is plastic. But it's still a lot
better than soem I could name.
Diablo also had a dot-matrix printer. Heavy, tractor-feed, insanely
noisy--used a couple of Rockwell MCUs. I don't recall the model number.
I used one for a couple of years and have never seen another.
--Chuck
18 Apr
18 Apr
4:28 p.m.
On 04/17/2013 12:53 PM, Tony Duell wrote:
The Sanders 700 is clerly a Diablo 630 chassi (there are unused mounting
holes, etc for the daiswheey mechanism) with Sanders electroncs/ The
printhead bits in place of the daisywheel motor, etc, it plugs into an
edge conenctor o nthe cariage. On the PCB for the printhead is a little
PROM that otnaisn the timing characteristings of that head (in the older
12/7 modelk, that PROM was on one of the circuit boards, it had a label
on it carryign the serial numebr of the head, you had to replace it if
you repalced the head).
Under the removeable cover, in front of the carriage, are 6 slots for the
font cartridges. The cartridges each cotnain a couple of EPROMs.
THe electroncs is based round a pair of Z8s (character input and
mechanism control) and a Z80 (comamnd procesing).
-tony
Teh 700 is perhaps not _quite_ so solid. It's
a Daiblo 630 chassis fitted
with a dot matrix head. And the cover is plastic. But it's still a lot
better than soem I could name.
Diablo also had a dot-matrix printer. Heavy, tractor-feed, insanely
noisy--used a couple of Rockwell MCUs. I don't recall the model number.
I used one for a couple of years and have never seen another.
11:35 p.m.
On 04/18/2013 01:28 PM, Tony Duell wrote:
Under the removeable cover, in front of the carriage,
are 6 slots for the
font cartridges. The cartridges each cotnain a couple of EPROMs.
THe electroncs is based round a pair of Z8s (character input and
mechanism control) and a Z80 (comamnd procesing).
The Diablo dot-matrix that I used was in a 630-ish case, but the
carriage area cover was fully detachable, not hinged/cantilevered. I
don't recall if the power supply was separate, as in the Hitype I
printers. Interface was a 50-pin ribbon (twisted-pair spectra-strip,
actually), so I suspect Dataproducts parallel.
The "smarts" were definitely Rockwell PPS--I vividly remember the
oddball staggered two-rows of pins on each side of the package. I
recall the one of the engineers who had worked on the thing mentioned
that the whole affair used no interrupts--and a whole bunch of timed
program loops. Probably around 1977.
The thing was so loud that it was used only as a backup printer. We
used a modified Teletype 40 band printer--running tractor-feed
132-column green-bar paper. Heckuva rugged thing--it just ran and ran.
--Chuck
7:05 a.m.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tony Duell" <ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk>
To: <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 8:53 PM
Subject: Re: got my dot-matrix printer
Somewere in my store I still have a Logabax 9 pin tractor feed I bourght in
the 80's, all metal ( and lots of it) largs, heavy and noisey, used it for
over 20 years till it started to chew ribbons. Z80 based, i recall I patched
it for lower case, they had kindly left room in the eprom to extend the
lookup table.
DaveH
Those are good printers. Those and epsons were good consumer grade
printers. Citizen on the other hand... Ugh!
I'll stick to my pair of Sanders printers. The 12/7 is built liek a tank.
All metal, even the casing. I think the only plastic bits other than
electricla insuators (conencotr/switch housings, etc) are the PTFE slidew
bearings for the carriage.
Teh 700 is perhaps not _quite_ so solid. It's a Daiblo 630 chassis fitted
with a dot matrix head. And the cover is plastic. But it's still a lot
better than soem I could name.
Pity there's no way yto print graphics on them.
-tony
16 Apr
16 Apr
6:16 p.m.
Still have my NEC P6. Haven't fired it up in
years. Wonder if Winders 7 has a driver for it...
At 05:27 AM 4/16/2013, you wrote:
I've got my dot-matrix printer yesterday, I
tried it today its a PANASONIC KX-P1121E[1], I
got it from ebay[2] i've only tried it on my
windows XP system (please shot me :) ) after
seeing the text quality, I am thinking
abandoning my inkjet printer for text-only
documents the halftoning is visible when
printing out pictures, but that's why i bought
it [1]
http://panasonic.net/pcc/products/printer/kx-p1121e_plus/index.html
[2] http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/281043814175 ---
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On 04/16/2013 03:16 PM, Tom wrote:
Still have my NEC P6. Haven't fired it up in
years. Wonder if Winders 7
has a driver for it...
I still have my two Durango F-85s with integrated multipass NLQ
printers, complete with downloadable fonts.
As well as a couple of daisy-wheel (NEC and Olivetti) printers.
The thing about printers is that you can't GIVE them away...
--Chuck
8:35 p.m.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chuck Guzis" <cclist at sydex.com>
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
<cctalk at classiccmp.org>
Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 8:25 PM
Subject: Re: got my dot-matrix printer
On 04/16/2013 03:16 PM, Tom wrote:
They are heavy to ship and noisy to use. Fanfold paper is not that common
anymore and neither are parallel ports.
Still I like the old dot matrix printers more then the old inkjets so I have
a few 24 pin models in the basement plus an Apple Imagewriter II and some 9
pin Atari/Commodore ones. All of them were local finds and free one included
a big box of fanfold paper too, not sure I would actually pay for one. Its
just more convenient to connect an old LaserJet to an old machine and I have
kept all my old laser printers for that use (they still work).
Still have my NEC P6. Haven't fired it up in
years. Wonder if Winders 7
has a driver for it...
I still have my two Durango F-85s with integrated multipass NLQ printers,
complete with downloadable fonts.
As well as a couple of daisy-wheel (NEC and Olivetti) printers.
The thing about printers is that you can't GIVE them away...
--Chuck
17 Apr
17 Apr
2:12 a.m.
On Apr 17, 2013 1:41 AM, "TeoZ" <teoz at neo.rr.com> wrote:
anymore
and neither are parallel ports.
No but you can often get stuff like the HP Jet direct network printer
adaptors that let you put such printers on a network cheaply. Folks hung
onto those after the printers were discarded.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Guzis" <cclist at sydex.com To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and
Off-Topic Posts" <
cctalk at classiccmp.org Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 8:25 PM
Subject: Re: got my dot-matrix printer
> On 04/16/2013 03:16 PM, Tom wrote:
> >> Still have my NEC P6. Haven't fired
it up in years. Wonder if Winders 7
>> has a driver for it...
> I still have my two Durango F-85s with integrated multipass NLQ
printers,
complete with downloadable fonts.
As well as a couple of daisy-wheel (NEC and Olivetti) printers.
The thing about printers is that you can't GIVE them away...
--Chuck
They are heavy to ship and noisy to use. Fanfold paper is not that common Still I like the old dot matrix printers more then the
old inkjets so I
have a few 24 pin models in the basement plus an Apple Imagewriter
II and
some 9 pin Atari/Commodore ones. All of them were local finds and free one
included a big box of fanfold paper too, not sure I would actually pay for
one. Its just more convenient to connect an old LaserJet to an old machine
and I have kept all my old laser printers for that use (they still work).
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