Solved the kermit problem, and I see that, according to kermit, when connected to the VAX: CD = off DSR = off CTS = off DTR = on RTS = on Still, as with tip and cu, no response from the VAX. -- Copyright (C) 2003 R. D. Davis The difference between humans & other animals: All Rights Reserved an unnatural belief that we're above Nature & rdd(a)rddavis.org 410-744-4900 her other creatures, using dogma to justify such http://www.rddavis.org beliefs and to justify much human cruelty.